Ireland - Tina Satchwell, 45, Youghal, Co. Cork, 20 March 2017 *arrest*

[su5ie]

"Before Tina's remains were discovered, you said he was so obsessed and besotted with her that he couldn't have caused her harm?" asked Mr Grehan. "That was before," replied the witness.

She agreed that Tina was close to her grandmother Florence, as she had effectively raised her. The witness agreed with Mr Grehan that Tina thought her grandmother Florence was her mother for a long time and would have called Florence her mother.

Mr Grehan told the witness: "I think you indicated the only incident you remember is that Tina was given up by her mother Mary Collins and raised by her grandmother Florence?". Counsel put it to Ms Howard that Tina was very resentful when she found out about this. The witness said she couldn't say.

'Very strange': Tina Satchwell's cousin says murder accused offered her freezer he used to store body | BreakingNews.ie

The witness began to cry as she told the trial jury that Richard Satchwell wouldn't 'be the kind to just give stuff'

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Just read this article and I'm surprised that the prosecution is finished .

Also does anyone know the glass mugs you can buy . They probably aren't as popular nowadays but didn't the forensic expert say the glass found on Tina's body was heat treated. What if it was one of these mugs . I'm curious as to what way they would shatter if broke with force . The reason I bring this up is rs told the cousin that tina and himself had an argument and tina hit him with a cup . I posted previously that in the Web of lies there is stands of truth . And this got me thinking as LE said they are unsure of the source of the glass . Adding image just for clarity they come in a smoked glass version as well as clear

 

[imstilla.grandma]

“He’d call Tina his trophy wife, trophy girlfriend,” Ms Howard said. “I didn’t like that. I didn’t think it was right to refer to someone as a trophy.”

Mr Satchwell was “obsessive” and wanted to know where his wife was “all the time”, Ms Howard said.

Any friend she had he would find some fault with. She had lots of friends but her circle of friends got smaller and smaller. I thought he was controlling and odd.

Tina was “very young” when she first met Mr Satchwell and when they married in the UK, Ms Howard said.

Tina Satchwell’s half-sister tells Cork murder trial Richard was 'controlling and odd'

Mr Satchwell was 'obsessive' and wanted to know where his wife was 'all the time', Lorraine Howard said

www.irishexaminer.com

 

[astheworldfallsdown]

Richard Satchwell was 'possessive' of his wife Tina, her half-sister tells murder trial

Lorraine Howard said every friend Tina Satchwell would meet, the accused would find ‘some fault’ with, while Tina’s ‘friendship circle was getting smaller and smaller’.

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“She knew she couldn’t get away from him. She would confide in me that he would follow her to the ends of the earth and had no way of getting away from him,” said the witness.

Ms Howard said she had told gardai that Mr Satchwell had shown her every scar on his body and blamed Tina for it.
“If he had a paper cut he would blame Tina”.

 

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“He’d call Tina his trophy wife, trophy girlfriend,” Ms Howard said. “I didn’t like that. I didn’t think it was right to refer to someone as a trophy.”

Mr Satchwell was “obsessive” and wanted to know where his wife was “all the time”, Ms Howard said.

Any friend she had he would find some fault with. She had lots of friends but her circle of friends got smaller and smaller. I thought he was controlling and odd.

Tina was “very young” when she first met Mr Satchwell and when they married in the UK, Ms Howard said.

Tina Satchwell’s half-sister tells Cork murder trial Richard was 'controlling and odd'

Mr Satchwell was 'obsessive' and wanted to know where his wife was 'all the time', Lorraine Howard said

www.irishexaminer.com

From reading those quotes I can tell for definite Tina was a victim of DV for years

 

[imstilla.grandma]

She told the jury: “This is a case calling out, it’s screaming out for your common sense, your experience of life.

“You know what the Prosecution case is - that Richard Satchwell killed Tina Satchwell unlawfully and that he had the requisite intent.

“You have to infer that he had that intent from the surrounding circumstances.

“His reaction, omissions, the lies he told, the manner in which he concealed the body, the whole web of deceit and it was not until Tina Satchwell’s body is found that his narrative changes.

“These are all matters that I say you look at when looking at his intent.

“The Prosecution don’t have to prove a motive and you may feel it’s relative that Richard Satchwell has said on many occasions that his wife had threatened to leave him, that she said she wasted 28 years of her life with him.

“Look at Richard Satchwell’s actions in the immediate aftermath of the killing. What does he do or what doesn’t he do?

“He doesn’t seek any medical help. There’s no CPR, no call made, no ambulance, no Guards, no Fire Service. He doesn’t make a single call.”

Satchwell spun 'web of lies' after Tina's death as jury told look at 'aftermath'

MURDER accused Richard Satchwell spun a “web of lies” with “more holes than a block of Swiss cheese” after killing wife Tina, his trial was told today. Prosecutor Gerardine Small SC began deliverin…

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[su5ie]

She told the jury: “This is a case calling out, it’s screaming out for your common sense, your experience of life.

“You know what the Prosecution case is - that Richard Satchwell killed Tina Satchwell unlawfully and that he had the requisite intent.

“You have to infer that he had that intent from the surrounding circumstances.

“His reaction, omissions, the lies he told, the manner in which he concealed the body, the whole web of deceit and it was not until Tina Satchwell’s body is found that his narrative changes.

“These are all matters that I say you look at when looking at his intent.

“The Prosecution don’t have to prove a motive and you may feel it’s relative that Richard Satchwell has said on many occasions that his wife had threatened to leave him, that she said she wasted 28 years of her life with him.

“Look at Richard Satchwell’s actions in the immediate aftermath of the killing. What does he do or what doesn’t he do?

“He doesn’t seek any medical help. There’s no CPR, no call made, no ambulance, no Guards, no Fire Service. He doesn’t make a single call.”

Satchwell spun 'web of lies' after Tina's death as jury told look at 'aftermath'

MURDER accused Richard Satchwell spun a “web of lies” with “more holes than a block of Swiss cheese” after killing wife Tina, his trial was told today. Prosecutor Gerardine Small SC began deliverin…

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Felt this was a great closing speech from the prosecution

Just absolutely atrocious that he still is keeping the truth from Tina's family . I will say once again RS didn't become this personality type over night .

RiP Tina Dingivan , your beautiful soul can rest assured your abuser will not escape justice ,His secrets are finally being exposed for all to see , shine your heavenly light doll

 

[astheworldfallsdown]

She told the jury: “This is a case calling out, it’s screaming out for your common sense, your experience of life.

“You know what the Prosecution case is - that Richard Satchwell killed Tina Satchwell unlawfully and that he had the requisite intent.

“You have to infer that he had that intent from the surrounding circumstances.

“His reaction, omissions, the lies he told, the manner in which he concealed the body, the whole web of deceit and it was not until Tina Satchwell’s body is found that his narrative changes.

“These are all matters that I say you look at when looking at his intent.

“The Prosecution don’t have to prove a motive and you may feel it’s relative that Richard Satchwell has said on many occasions that his wife had threatened to leave him, that she said she wasted 28 years of her life with him.

“Look at Richard Satchwell’s actions in the immediate aftermath of the killing. What does he do or what doesn’t he do?

“He doesn’t seek any medical help. There’s no CPR, no call made, no ambulance, no Guards, no Fire Service. He doesn’t make a single call.”

Satchwell spun 'web of lies' after Tina's death as jury told look at 'aftermath'

MURDER accused Richard Satchwell spun a “web of lies” with “more holes than a block of Swiss cheese” after killing wife Tina, his trial was told today. Prosecutor Gerardine Small SC began deliverin…

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“He doesn’t seek any medical help. There’s no CPR, no call made, no ambulance, no Guards, no Fire Service. He doesn’t make a single call.”

This says it all. The self professed devoted husband, who claims he did everything for Tina just packed her into a freezer while he dug a hole. IMO he had as much respect for Tina in death as he did in life. JMO

 

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[su5ie]

After weeks of harrowing evidence, jury must decide if ‘obsessed’ Satchwell did murder Tina

Besotted and possessive Richard Satchwell kept his wife’s decaying body buried under the stairs in their Youghal home for six-and-a-half years.

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I'm hoping the dpp brought the right charges before the court .

The jury have to be convinced that rs killed Tina with intent . Can this be proved beyond reasonable doubt with the evidence presented.

Perpetual victim and compulsive liar rs is proclaiming self defence and because Tina's body was so badly decomposed, cause of death couldn't be established.

How does a jury decide if it was murder or manslaughter. Even the manner in which Tina was concealed . Beyond reasonable doubt can it be told it was done out of some kind of in the moment of madness and couldn't be taken back once done or more sinister reasons.

Imo I believe Tina was at the recieving end of domestic violence for years and the comment on the Sunday about Tina having a man on the side triggered RS's jealousy and he lashed out as he had probably done in the past just this time it was with devastating consequences.

we even see in his reference early on about the possibility of Tina running off with another man so I reckon this was definitely the start of the argument. I think he punched her and she went unconscious and he smothered her or it was a one punch in the side of the head and she never woke up . I think this is where the line comes in of no ambulance, no CPR, no calling for help comes in . I believe the coroner thinks there was a window of opportunity to save Tina but rs chose not to . So does that prove intent to deliberately let someone die and is that murder

I will say it again I genuinely hope the jury are reading between the lines and are knowledgeable on psychology and domestic violence because its only when you listen to what's not being said therin lies the truth

Hopefully there will be justice for Tina and rs will get the life sentence he deserves

I also think he killed her or knocked her out on the Sunday night before he went and got pizza . I think she had given him the money out of her purse beforehand as the arguing didn't allow time to make dinner .

She had probably said just go and get pizza while the accusations where flying in her direction hoping the fresh air would give rs time to calm down . But it escalated as he probably said ' do you want to get rid of me now to ring your fancy man " or something along those lines . MOO

The dog Ruby would be scared of him if there had been a lot of angry shouting . The dog would not logically know what happened but would have sensed fear from Tina and anger from rs

Opinions expressed are all speculation on my part and imo ,moo

 

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Jury in Satchwell trial told they can consider self defence

The court previously heard that Richard Satchwell told gardaí that his wife “flew” at him with a chisel and he used the belt of her dressing robe to keep her off him before she went limp.

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Judge to resume charge to jury in Satchwell murder trial

The judge in the trial of Richard Satchwell, who denies murdering his wife more than eight years ago, will resume his charge to the jury tomorrow.

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The jury have their work cut out for them . How do you decide between accidental murder , murder and self defence particularly as neteditor pointed out that the witnesses weren't exactly stellar .

From what we heard and read can any poster explain how the jury might come to a conclusion of guilty of
murder verdict.

I hope they don't come back with a hung jury or self defence verdict

 

[imstilla.grandma]

On Monday, Mr Justice Paul McDermott told the seven women and five men of the jury that aspects of the trial may have been “unseemly, perhaps shocking”.

But he said if parts of the trial raised their indignation, “you have to put those things outside the door” and approach it in a “very careful clinical way”.

“You have to approach it with an open mind, with an independent mind, without emotion, without prejudice,” he said.

Mr Justice McDermott said that they were making their determination on the charge of murder based on proof beyond reasonable doubt, which he described as higher than probable, but not “a mathematical certainty”.

Jury in Satchwell trial told to approach case ‘with open mind, without emotion’

Mr Justice Paul McDermott gave his charge to the jury on Monday.

www.the-independent.com

 

[su5ie]

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I do think rs killed tina because an argument went too far but I feel tina was the victim . Now prehaps that is because as you point out she is a woman .

I feel the dpp bringing only a charge of murder doesn't allow for other scenarios . I feel they should have brought a charge of homicide as that is an umbrella term for manslaughter, murder , accidental killing etc . The jury have to decide with available evidence did rs kill Tina with intent and I don't think that can be proven beyond reasonable doubt

Do I think rs is a liar and has a victim mentality, is there red flags pointing towards him being the abuser if we look at what he has said using psychological analysis. The answer from me is yes . But opinion doesn't lead to an airtight conviction that guarantees he can't appeal and win unfortunately.

I think garda first on not invasively searching the house initially and bringing the wrong charges to court as on paperwork intent hasn't been proved

 

[su5ie]

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I do think rs killed tina because an argument went too far but I feel tina was the victim . Now prehaps that is because as you point out she is a woman .

I feel the dpp bringing only a charge of murder doesn't allow for other scenarios . I feel they should have brought a charge of homicide as that is an umbrella term for manslaughter, murder , accidental killing etc . The jury have to decide with available evidence did rs kill Tina with intent and I don't think that can be proven beyond reasonable doubt

Do I think rs is a liar and has a victim mentality, is there red flags pointing towards him being the abuser if we look at what he has said using psychological analysis. The answer from me is yes . But opinion doesn't lead to an airtight conviction that guarantees he can't appeal and win unfortunately.

I think garda first on not invasively searching the house initially and bringing the wrong charges to court as on paperwork intent hasn't been proved

I think the jury will come back with not guilty of murder or a hung jury

 

[snooptroop88]

JMO, this guy is in no way any kind of victim. He's a murderer who married someone much younger than himself, killed her, and did his level best to cover up his crimes. He succeeded in buying himself time until cause of death couldn't be determined, but LE did finally find the body. At that point, he decided he'd start blaming the person he'd killed, who is not around to defend herself in any way, thanks to him. If there was abuse in the relationship, I've got no doubt he was the driver and primary source of it. He's not the one who's dead. I hope they find him guilty.

 

[su5ie]

Richard Satchwell murder trial: Jury begin deliberations

The judge had told the panel that there are three verdicts they can return in relation to the murder charge against Mr Satchwell

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There is an option of manslaughter which I feel the jury will come back with

Reading the last line of this article I paused to question, did the prosecution provide enough evidence to signify murder with intent

Snooptroop88, I think your points are excellent . I always love Reading the points made by other posters as it gives perspective and allows me to have hope in a guilty verdict

And I fully agree I don't think this was anything other than murder and rs set out to blacken Tina's name from the get go , if it was an accidental killing he would have remorse of which he has none

 

[LenaOdenthal]

I'm going to explain something very badly here... Does anyone remember and can remind me in which case the following happened recently; A defendant was asked, during their trial, to place their hands on the neck of someone, probably a police officer who was standing in for the victim, and keep them there for the several minutes it would take to cause death by manual strangling? (I hope this is a real case I'm trying to remember and not a tv show or something.)

I bring this up because my feeling about Richard Satchwell is that he acknowledged the dressing gown cord across Tina's neck "somehow" had something to do with her death - because it did. Once the body was found, he would have feared that the cause of death would show strangulation (unfortunately this couldn't be proven, but the belt's position was described). So he pours this drop of truth into his self-defence/confused "don't know what happened" ramblings.

However, the length of time it takes to cause death by this method, either a fabric belt around/across the neck or directly with the hands is several minutes, as I understand it. That he could not overpower her, even if she really was waving a chisel, before the time it would take for her to die, is hugely unlikely. That is why I can't see the jury accepting self-defence. Manslaughter - well, I sincerely hope not, but at least it would still mean a long sentence.

ETA - This is also why the defence's proposition to the jury "Imagine this with the sexes reversed" should be dismissed. IF we are talking hand to hand combat, it makes a huge difference whether the perpetrator is a man or a woman. And only one of them ended up dead.

 

[su5ie]

I would probably be arrested if LE seen my Google searches

Apparently someone who is strangled whether by suspension, manual or garotte, a person would be rendered unconscious in 10 seconds or less . Thereby powerless to be continuing anything .

If he was anyway intelligent he be keeping it simple like she fell down the stairs and he panicked .

I think the amount of detail he goes into in order to come across as the victim shows he killed tina with some form of intent imo


It takes a lot of force to strangled someone to death a lot more than holding someone up by a belt held across the throat unless he had tina suspended mid air which I highly doubt

Satchwell waits to learn Tina murder trial fate as jury begin deliberations

THE jury in the Richard Satchwell murder trial has retired to consider their verdict. The British truck driver, 58, is accused of the murder of wife Tina at their home in Youghal, Co Cork. Mr Justi…

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Strangling - Wikipedia

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Jury still deliberating today

I imagine because the judge instructed an unanimous verdict, the jury can't decide if manslaughter or murder

If he escapes justice I will be so angry

Anyone know what happens if jury can't decide