Irwin Attorney: ‘Jersey’ Bragged About Kidnapping Lisa Irwin

[tink92]

Is there proof Jersey or anyone else was involved?

maybe not proof..yet,....but a boatload of circumstantial evidence.

 

[MissJames]

But yet there is evidence that DB is a psychopath?

Not that I'm aware of. Are all parents who kill their children psychopaths ? :waitasec:

 

[tehcloser]

How can you take half of S. Young's statement and not the other half? How does that work?

 

[MissJames]

maybe not proof..yet,....but a boatload of circumstantial evidence.

Any circumstantial evidence that's been substantiated?

 

[cityslick]

Not that I'm aware of. Are all parents who kill their children psychopaths ? :waitasec:

I would think most have some sort of issues. Psychopath, narcissist,etc. I haven't seen evidence of any of that with DB.

 

[curvecuti]

Jessica Lunsford case
Elisabeth Smart case
Jaycee Dugard case

Just off the top of my head.

They were not babies. It would be easier for me to accept Jersey as a culprit if Lisa was older. I would attribute it to him being a pedophile, like the people in the cases you named above. The large majority of pedophile are not interested in babies. moo.

 

[justamommy]

http://www.kctv5.com/story/16077691/picerno-witness-claims-handyman-paid-300-for-kidnapping

I'm catching up and posted the same response. Oops... I try to read until caught up and go back, but I never can. lol

 

[mamamia54]

AFAIK, there is no confirmation that there were bad feelings between the couples. All I've seen is an unconfirmed report that there was "acrimony with the neighbors" in relation to Mr. Brando leaving the house. Nothing confirmed and nothing with any kind of source.

According to the dictionary the meanings of "acrimony" can be many things. I never knew this and now I'm wondering which way that word was applied in this case.
acrimony
noun bitterness, harshness, rancour, ill will, virulence, sarcasm, pungency, asperity, tartness, astringency, irascibility, peevishness, acerbity, churlishness, trenchancy, mordancy liking, friendship, warmth, goodwill, good feelings, friendliness, amity

 

[tink92]

Any circumstantial evidence that's been substantiated?

Well Jeez...its 10pm on a saturday night and Iam half way through a bottle of rose!....Go look on the Jersey thread..a load of hinky..red flags..pointers...circumstantial evidence..whatever you want to call it..with Jersey written all over it!...If you want to ignore discount whatever all that then be my guest...:floorlaugh:

 

[cityslick]

They were not babies. It would be easier for me to accept Jersey as a culprit if Lisa was older. I would attribute it to him being a pedophile, like the people in the cases you named above. The large majority of pedophile are not interested in babies. moo.

I don't think it matters, a child abduction is a child abduction, whatever the intent is.

 

[curvecuti]

Well Jeez...its 10pm on a saturday night and Iam half way through a bottle of rose!....Go look on the Jersey thread..a load of hinky..red flags..pointers...circumstantial evidence..whatever you want to call it..with Jersey written all over it!...If you want to ignore discount whatever all that then be my guest...:floorlaugh:

But that is not substantiated. There is no more proof Jersey is guilty than there is DB and JI are guilty. At this point it's who you believe, nothing more.

 

[curvecuti]

I don't think it matters, a child abduction is a child abduction, whatever the intent is.

Really? It matters to me. Most older children are abducted (by strangers) for sexual purposes. Most babies are abducted (by strangers) by people wanting a baby. To me that is a BIG difference. moo.

 

[Donjeta]

According to the dictionary the meanings of "acrimony" can be many things. I never knew this and now I'm wondering which way that word was applied in this case.
acrimony
noun bitterness, harshness, rancour, ill will, virulence, sarcasm, pungency, asperity, tartness, astringency, irascibility, peevishness, acerbity, churlishness, trenchancy, mordancy liking, friendship, warmth, goodwill, good feelings, friendliness, amity

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/acrimony
You're using this site, aren't you? Did you miss the green and red lines that distinguish between synonyms and antonyms?

 

[tink92]

But that is not substantiated. There is no more proof Jersey is guilty than there is DB and JI are guilty. At this point it's who you believe, nothing more.

But there is NOTHING pointing to DB being guilty except the fact that she is the mother..:waitasec:....but a lot of peices that when put together point a big finger to one man....Jersey.

 

[MissJames]

I would think most have some sort of issues. Psychopath, narcissist,etc. I haven't seen evidence of any of that with DB.

Neither have I ,but she did say she was drinking that night ,and in my experience as a foster parent ,alcohol was often an issue with the abuse that brought babies into foster care in my home.

I don't know what happened but I'm very suspicious of DB. I haven't seen anything or anyone that I put faith in,that can place Jersey at DB's.
Just my opinion.

 

[Jacie Estes]

nope innocent people take LDT
Innocent people actively beg for their babies return.
Innocent people don't say their life is getting back to normal.
Innocent people cooperate with LE. moo

Thye both have sat with LE for 30+ hours; if LE couldn't get what they needed and got to a point of 'you killed your baby' and showed burnt clothes., then there is no more to be done. We didn't see them running for their lives out of the police station as we did with josh powell. LE can contact the lawyers and arrange for interviews, they just have not done that. The lawyers made a distinction between asking questions and 'grilling them'. I think that JI/DB did the right thing by getting representation. If there were tangible evidence of their guilt, they would have been brought down to the station for questioning. Remember, they went voluntarily. Even in the very beginning, in that '48 hour window', they went and spoke with police, they were not being untruthful; they were cooperating with LE and, as has been said, LE has not disputed their cooperation. IF they were guilty, would they have spent 30+ hours speaking with LE?
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"The actions of parents and of law enforcement in the first 48 hours are critical to the safe recovery of a missing child, but the rawness of emotion can seriously
hinder the ability of parents to make rational decisions at this crucial time."

"It is important to note that there is no right or wrong way to respond to the disappearance of a child, nor is there a right or wrong way to feel."

"Finally, as hard as it may seem, try to remain hopeful. Remember that hope is more than a wish, helping you to clear this hurdle. Hope is essential to your survival."
http://www.missingkids.com/en_US/pub...s/fam_surv.pdf
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John Walsh on LDT's, 'people fail them because of stress but sociopaths and psychopaths pass them because they are completely calm and have no emotion.' [paraphrased]
http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/26184891/vp/45074429#45074429

 

[Donjeta]

Really? It matters to me. Most older children are abducted (by strangers) for sexual purposes. Most babies are abducted (by strangers) by people wanting a baby. To me that is a BIG difference. moo.

Jersey doesn't strike me as the type that desperately wants a baby.

I suppose if he did it for $300 there could have been somebody else that did. But what kind of loyalty can that person expect to get for $300? Can they trust that Jersey won't brag some more and get the other person in trouble too?

 

[curvecuti]

But there is NOTHING pointing to DB being guilty except the fact that she is the mother..:waitasec:....but a lot of peices that when put together point a big finger to one man....Jersey.

She was drunk, she was in the home with the child, she has changed her story (she didn't admit she was drunk at first), she is unwilling to speak to LE alone, HRD dog hit in DBs bedroom. To some those things are hinky and giant red flags of guilt. IMO there is not much more than that pointing to Jersey. At this point it could be either or neither of them as far as evidence goes.

 

[hambirg]

I would think most have some sort of issues. Psychopath, narcissist,etc. I haven't seen evidence of any of that with DB.

No offense, but I think DB has issues. . .I'm inclined to think histrionic.

I'm not thoroughly convinced that DB is guilty. But going back to the statistics, it is highly likely that an infant would be hurt by their parents or a family member. Of course people die in plane crashes too. But people that do usually fit the profile of somebody that would. . .like being a passenger on a plane. So who are those strangers that steal babies in those rare occasions where a infant is taken by a stranger? It's usually a woman that wants a baby. One that has lied about being pregnant and has planned for a baby's arrival and now needs to produce one.

Anything outside of those scenarios is extremely rare. I'm not saying it's not possible. I would feel a lot better about this statistically, near impossible, scenario if we knew for sure the parents or family could be cleared. So far we don't have that. And as of yet, we have no, none, nada evidence that Jersey was in that house that night.

As far as those other cases. . .they were not infants. Big difference.

 

[MissJames]

Well Jeez...its 10pm on a saturday night and Iam half way through a bottle of rose!....Go look on the Jersey thread..a load of hinky..red flags..pointers...circumstantial evidence..whatever you want to call it..with Jersey written all over it!...If you want to ignore discount whatever all that then be my guest...:floorlaugh:

I've read the Jersey thread .I call them RUMORS. :toastred: Cheers !