Is Casey A Skillful Liar?

[Solace]

I think this is an interesting point. If were assessing her skills based on the content of her lies, then, I'd say no, she's not particularly good at it. they tend to be too elaborate, too detailed, especially when she's forced to come up with them on short notice. But I give her credit (not sure that's exactly the right phrase) for being able to stay calm and manipulate the vunerabilities of people who are not habitual liars. Most people, when confronted with a lie, will get agitated and defensive, or simply break down and tell the truth, but Casey calmly maintains that she is telling the truth, even when the lie is obvious. Because she doesn't act like we expect people to act, it creates a conflict in our brains. Since our brains do not like conflict, we either ignore the fact that they are lying, or worse, sometimes start to doubt ourselves (see gaslighting) or we decide to confront them about their lie. The second option, confrontation, is usually uncomfortable,frustrating and exhausting because the liar is generally not going to back down from their position, most of us only do choose to confront them if the effort outweighs the benefit. In that sense, Casey does have a "skill" MOO

Okay, she gets "some" for being able to stay calm while lying.

 

[crucibelle]

Do you think it dawns on her now at any time while sitting in that courtroom that she is at the end of the road? Or do you think she still believes that she will be set free?

One can tell by the way she laughs, smiles, and flirts in court that she isn't worried at all that she will get convicted. She thinks she is going to be set free. She's too dumb to realize how terribly her defense is going. Doesn't help that her lawyers are probably telling her she will walk, too. This is what I cannot WAIT to see: the look on ICA's face/her reaction, when the verdict is read "GUILTY".

 

[Melanie]

Casey Anthony's fake tears in slow-motion

I just found this video on YouTube, and this thread was the best place I could find to share it.

This is an excerpt of her reaction during Baez's opening statement. Notice how she keeps looking at the camera, and more significantly, how she rubs her tissue right into both eyes in an attempt for force them to tear up.

That was quite chilling - almost like looking straight into the devils soul. It "almost" looked like she had a smirk on her face.

That's gonna haunt me for a long while.

Mel

 

[sagsag]

Casey definitely thinks she's going to walk. The letters to Robyn indicate that she has a crush on Jose, and people like Casey (assuming she does indeed have borderline personality disorder) often have black and white thinking. Someone is either wonderful, or they're evil. In her mind, Jose is wonderful and WILL get her off. The prosecution is just evil and out to get her, in her mind.

Also, I dated a pathological liar for a while, and I disagree with people that say they "believe" their own lies. It might seem like it because of how stone-walled they are, but I've witnessed my ex lying to several people at the same time about the same situation. There's no way she believed all three stories to be true, she was just a narcissistic manipulator. Much like Casey. In fact, that's what drew me into this case. Casey is a composite of two girls that I've dated, it's almost scary. I was reading the letters she sent to Robyn and they might as well have been letters my ex sent to me.

 

[Plumeria5]

Do you think Casey will take the stand? She really seems to be more involved in reading whatever paperwork she has and I am just wondering if she is preparing for her big day? I don't know if there has been a poll on this or not.

 

[Nefriahaia]

Not any more, everyone's got her number!:loser: :loser: :loser:

 

[sappysoul]

I think this is an interesting point. If were assessing her skills based on the content of her lies, then, I'd say no, she's not particularly good at it. they tend to be too elaborate, too detailed, especially when she's forced to come up with them on short notice. But I give her credit (not sure that's exactly the right phrase) for being able to stay calm and manipulate the vunerabilities of people who are not habitual liars. Most people, when confronted with a lie, will get agitated and defensive, or simply break down and tell the truth, but Casey calmly maintains that she is telling the truth, even when the lie is obvious. Because she doesn't act like we expect people to act, it creates a conflict in our brains. Since our brains do not like conflict, we either ignore the fact that they are lying, or worse, sometimes start to doubt ourselves (see gaslighting) or we decide to confront them about their lie. The second option, confrontation, is usually uncomfortable,frustrating and exhausting because the liar is generally not going to back down from their position, most of us only do choose to confront them if the effort outweighs the benefit. In that sense, Casey does have a "skill" MOO

This really isn't that unusual for someone with a sociopathic personality. Most of us feel some level of guilt and/or anxiety that causes us to react to being caught. It is pretty much common knowledge that sociopaths do not experience normal or expectable feelings of guilt or remorse. If you look at some of the research you will find studies that imply they also have higher thresholds for anxiety/fear. That could also explain how she had no change in behavior after June 16th. Not only did she show no signs of grief but she also didn't appear to be fearful of getting caught.

 

[fridaybaker]

it's amazing to me that the talking heads, and media in general, continue to refer to casey as a skillful, adept and convincing liar - i just don't get it. casey is a pathological liar, not a skillful liar, big difference. in fact she has to be one of the least capable and clumsiest liars i've ever heard of.

sure, she fooled those that believed in her and cared about her, such as family and friends, but that was easy, the deck was stacked in her favor, love is blind. but the moment she tried a different audience on for size, i.e. law enforcement, when her lying skills were put to the test, she failed miserably, epochly, not even close. heck, her lies were so poorly developed one would think they were the brainchild of a preteen. comical if not so sad.

in fact casey is not only an ineffective, clumsy liar but she is also an ineffective, clumsy crook as evidenced by the manner in which she stole from amy, her grandparents and her parents - thefts that could easily be detected.

what makes casey unique is not that she's adept at lying or stealing, because she's not, not even close, she's actually bad at it. what makes her unique is that she couldn't care less if she gets caught. at worst, getting caught to casey is nothing more than a temporary inconvenience. at best it's something she can talk her way out of, something that will blow over, or something that she might even get away with. sitting at the defense table, cuffed, she still thinks the same. she's in for a rude awakening.

I don't know about "love is blind". While I do think that most people want to believe their loved ones, I think there are other people who will stop at no amount of willful ignorance and suspension of disbelief; they would rather live in their own fantasy land, their own imagination, rather than face the reality that the person they love would hurt them in any way, or is capable of even very great evil.

At least when it means something other than overlooking another's imperfections, love that is "blind" isn't love. When speaking about it in the context of overlooking evil, or to the point of denying reality, it certainly isn't love. It's hate. Love is when you wish and promote the best for the object of your love, not when you turn a blind eye to reality and evil.

I have to say, I think that CA's lying was amazingly transparent and to go along with it in any way, is, to a certain degree, to participate in it. Yes, CA was very bold in her lies, she easily massaged them to fit a new scenario when they were challenged, and she never seemed to care much whether they were eventually observed to be lies, but I think that these are simply manifestations of having no conscience. The bizarre detail and the superficial language she used -she's a walking, talking platitude, for goodness sake- are dead giveaways in my book that she is an intransigent lier. Bad liers always give waaay too much detail, and I wouldn't believe CA for a minute whether she were my friend, sister or mother. Just wouldn't.

 

[fridaybaker]

This really isn't that unusual for someone with a sociopathic personality. Most of us feel some level of guilt and/or anxiety that causes us to react to being caught. It is pretty much common knowledge that sociopaths do not experience normal or expectable feelings of guilt or remorse. If you look at some of the research you will find studies that imply they also have higher thresholds for anxiety/fear. That could also explain how she had no change in behavior after June 16th. Not only did she show no signs of grief but she also didn't appear to be fearful of getting caught.

I'm always uneasy the term "sociopath". It always seems to denote at least a small level of denial of culpability. (I'm certainly not saying that Sappysoul or anyone else here is doing that! I'm just commenting on the term in general.) I'm reminded by what I once heard a prosecutor say on one of those true crime series on TV: He said: "In most places they call them sociopaths. In Texas, we just call 'em Mean Sons of B.....s!" I thought he had a point.

 

[GeekyGirl]

This really isn't that unusual for someone with a sociopathic personality. Most of us feel some level of guilt and/or anxiety that causes us to react to being caught. It is pretty much common knowledge that sociopaths do not experience normal or expectable feelings of guilt or remorse. If you look at some of the research you will find studies that imply they also have higher thresholds for anxiety/fear. That could also explain how she had no change in behavior after June 16th. Not only did she show no signs of grief but she also didn't appear to be fearful of getting caught.

I agree. Perhaps "skill" wasn't quite the right word, but it is a trait that allows her to get away with lying. MOO

 

[sappysoul]

I'm always uneasy the term "sociopath". It always seems to denote at least a small level of denial of culpability. (I'm certainly not saying that Sappysoul or anyone else here is doing that! I'm just commenting on the term in general.) I'm reminded by what I once heard a prosecutor say on one of those true crime series on TV: He said: "In most places they call them sociopaths. In Texas, we just call 'em Mean Sons of B.....s!" I thought he had a point.

I might argue that someone who is psychotic is not responsible for their behavior. Sociopaths, psychopaths, antisocial personality disorder...whatever you want to call them are most certainly responsible for their behavior. They make conscious choices. However, it is a mental disorder. That isn't saying they aren't responsible. I agree that they are mean SOB's and the worst kind of mean SOBs because they put up a facade that fools a lot of people. Unlike the town bully people describe them as a kind, caring and all round good person.

 

[JusticeSeeker1960]

I was looking over some of the transcripts & I happened to come across the 3rd TL interview with Detective EE, when he was showing him where he had picked ICA up when she ran out of gas...and I had forgotten that they had this exact discussion about the "fake crying"! Guess we aren't alone, & I'm sure if TL saw the video in slo mo, he'd agree it was like looking at the devil.:devil:

 

[akashana]

Listening to her lie on the fly in her taped interviews, it amazes me that she can remember and keep them straight.

That's what "impresses" (lol) me about her lying, and I say that very tongue-in-cheek. The sheer volume of her lies to so many different people, and the intricacy, i.e., inventing not just imaginary nannies, but roommates and mothers and sister and children of these imaginary people! I could never keep all that straight in my head! There is no way. Of course most people didn't even give her lies a second thought, but poor Cindy swallowed all the convoluted permutations of these lies hook, line and sinker. All parents want to believe their children, want to think they are incapable of such devilment. But KC had been lying for years and years . . . her longtime friends say she was known for story-telling, which shows that her lies were easily transparent if one chose to take that extra step of checking her out.

My daughter told a few whoppers when she was in grade school, but I always took the time and trouble to fact-check her after the first time she was caught in one. So quickly she learned that dog don't hunt and put a stop to it. She learned that if she lied, there would be consequences that she wouldn't like, no-how, no way. I was a single mom and couldn't afford to let her get the upper hand. I'm not trying to heap it on Cindy, as I genuinely feel compassion for both her and George. I know that in retrospect she must be mentally beating herself up for not calling KC out long before things came to a head in such a tragic way.

 

[Scamperoo]

I don't think KC is necessarily a skilled liar what she does is interesting. She gathers information about people on the fly, this is held in memory unlike a lie which is not. A whole different area of the brain becomes involved in a lie, recall and fact checking etc.
When she hears an interesting titbit it is automatically held in memory to be spewed out as her own truth with only names altered. She could easily sound truthful because most of what she is saying is the truth, just not hers.

She doesn't need to be the genius of the lie to keep her facts straight, we have heard her borrow other parts of peoples lives already, event planner was Mallory I believe, jail inmate had son drown in pool grandfather fishes him out, it's how she sounds so believable....I wonder what other parts of her life she has borrowed, I believe all her make believe friends are real people...just with a name or gender change. Haha..I sound as crazy as she is:great:

 

[martea]

This is a great example! She also throws a temper tantrum or says the equivalent of "But you don't LOVE me!" to distract/change the subject. QUOTE]




That's what I have noticed, especially with her family. She will have a temper tantrum to change the subject. And her family seems scared to death of her temper tantrums. It seems they are walking on eggshells around Casey much of the time.

 

[Emma Peel]

You know those pants she left in the trunk of her car - the ones Cindy washed?

I think Cindy doused them with water b/c ...

those pants were on fire.

And Cindy knew it.

(Sisterhood of the Lying Pants.)

liar, liar.

2 pants on fire.

grrrrrrrrrrrr

 

[veejaye]

No, she is not a skilled liar. If she had been, this case would have been more of a murder mystery. After Casey took the police to the apartment of the imaginary nanny and to her imaginary office at Universal. The police had solved this case. She was arrested days after her mom called 911. If she had gotten away with this, then she may have become more skilled. And then for sure her parents, her boyfriends, and any future husbands or children would have been in danger. Because IMHO, she is a sociopath. Affable, friendly, self-absorbed and dangerous. Remember she said to a friend that her parents were getting a divorce and giving her the house. That friend had begun preparations to move to Hopespring Dr. Was Casey planning to harm her parents?

 

[GeekyGirl]

I might argue that someone who is psychotic is not responsible for their behavior. Sociopaths, psychopaths, antisocial personality disorder...whatever you want to call them are most certainly responsible for their behavior. They make conscious choices. However, it is a mental disorder. That isn't saying they aren't responsible. I agree that they are mean SOB's and the worst kind of mean SOBs because they put up a facade that fools a lot of people. Unlike the town bully people describe them as a kind, caring and all round good person.

ITA with this... These types of people understand the difference between right and wrong, they just don't really care.

 

[laniefi]

Prolific = yes
skillful = no