Is Casey the real Zenaida?

[cloud]

http://www.wftv.com/download/2008/0926/17564976.pdf (link already provided in my last post),

But to be more specific, refer page 9 of 13, right at the top, under Computer Forensics Report.

Date file "created", date file "last accessed".

I'm saying you're right and the docs released support that view. But if you disagree, that's fine, too.

MO

 

[rbrnmw2]

I wonder if KC maybe had something to do with a break in having to do with another Zenaida in another part of Fl if someone can remember hearing about this I would like to read more about it I vaguely recall early on something about this

 

[Valhall]

http://www.wftv.com/download/2008/0926/17564976.pdf (link already provided in my last post),

But to be more specific, refer page 9 of 13, right at the top, under Computer Forensics Report.

Date file "created", date file "last accessed".

I'm saying you're right and the docs released support that view. But if you disagree, that's fine, too.

MO

Okay, I understand what you're saying now. We're saying two different things. You're saying the forensics search of the computer returned that a myspace search had been performed on "zenaida", while I'm saying that the forensic search of the word "zenaida" that was performed on the computer would not produce the URL to the "zenaida" myspace (and didn't) because "zenaida" is not within the URL. So we're actually talking about two separate things. Sorry for the confusion.

 

[ExpectingUnicorns]

I just looked over Jamie R's statement:

http://www.acandyrose.com/caylee_anthony_transcript_J_Realander081908.htm

and this is the only part that I found that had anything to do with Casey getting a ticket. I couldn't see anything that said Jamie knew she was downtown on 7/15 to deal with a speeding ticket.

20 YM: Okay. Is there anything else about Casey Anthony or Caylee Anthony or about
21 this, I guess the whole incident I haven't asked you about you think might be
22important or you wanted to share?
23 JR: Uhm, I really don't know as much as maybe other people would have. And the
24 only times I hung out with her were really at Fusion. I don't really recall actually

1 seeing her out of Fusion. I was suppose to hang out with her one night out of
2 Fusion.
3 YM: Uh-hum (affirmative)
4 JR: Which she uhm, not that you bring to my attention, she did call me and say she
5 couldn't hang out. She was with another friend in downtown. She had just
6 gotten a speeding ticket and that she uhm, she said she was just going to stay in
7 Orlando if we wanted to drive out there. And...
8 YM: And the re...the reason she didn't hang out was because she had just gotten a
9 speeding ticket?
10 JR: Right. She was in Orlando. She had to run with a friend to Orlando.
11 YM: Uh-hum (affirmative)
12 JR: We live out in G...Oviedo.
13 YM: Uh-hum (affirmative)
14 JR: And so she was like well, she was going to pick us up. She said, "NO, well we're
15 just going to hang out in Orlando." And then later when I called that night to see
16 what she was doing and uhm, or, no, not that night. The next morning I called
17 her to see how she was and she said that she was uhm, she had just gotten
18 really drunk and I guess she got really sick and that was pretty much it. So that,
19 that's probably the only time that I actually remember her drinking.
20 YM: Do you remember uh, when this was in relation to, I guess the time you met her?
21 Was it closer to the time you met her? Closer to the, the last time you talked to
22 her?
23 JR: It was, uhm, probably close, it was like right in the middle really. Because uh...
24 YM: So...
25 JR: ...because I actually wanted to...

1 YM: ...Sometime in the middle of June?
2 JR: Yeah (affirmative). Probably sometime in the middle of June. Because I actually
3 wanted to hang out with her because I could see myself being good friends with
4 her.
5 YM: Uh-hum (affirmative)
6 JR: From the person I knew.
7 YM: Right, right.
8 JR: I didn't know she did, I don't know if she did drugs. I don't know if she, you
9 know, I didn't know she drank all that much because every time I saw her she
10 had a glass of water. But that time and the first night I believe when she was
11 wearing the blue dress were the only two times that I knew that she was actually
12 drinking.
13 YM: Okay. So you never hung out with her outside of Fusion, even though you, I
14 guess you had arranged to but....
15 JR: Well but...
16 YM: ... something fell through?
17 JR: Right, it fell though and uhm, we never actually hung out with her outside
18 Fusion.

 

[Jaboom97]

Yes that is correct regarding JR's statement-I must have typed incorrectly or misinterpreted it from anothers previous argument, but knowing Casey peppers her lies with little truths, then one could speculate that during this time frame in question May 24-July 16 KC did not have any recorded speeding citations or anyother type of infractions until her arrest on the 16th. It makes one wonder if this is just another fabrication or if she really did get a ticket perhaps as a ZG22?-or is she using this excuse as a friend or associate of hers got a ticket such as whomever she was hanging out with the day/night she was supposed to go out with JR. I thought it was just kind of a bizarre coincidence-I don't even know about the pings matching on 7/15 as this was being discussed in a diferent boards discussion. I just brought it over as being relevant for this thread.

 

[Jaboom97]

I got the reply regarding the time/location information(unfortunately no tag info) and I am pasting it here:

Yes. Zanni's was around 10:30 AM in Ocoee, FL in a '95 Chevy. Annie's was around 6 PM in Orlando, FL in a '03 Ford. I can't remember the tag #'s, but they were in totally different cars, at different times, and on opposite ends of Orange County. I will tell you also that the address listed on Zanni's citation is a fake address. The house number is given as 422 and the houses on that street only go up to 421. I think the street was Regal Downs Circle. Feel free to copy+paste this or forward this along.

 

[Chilly Willy]

I guess the important point here is, whether ZG22 is KC or not, is that ZG22 does not appear to have ever existed as a real person. That is the part that is interesting about this whole ZG22 business. The address she listed on her driver's license, at the time the driver's license was issued, was occupied by a newly divorced woman and her daughter. The daughter is about 4 years older than KC. I don't believe the daughter would have been a running buddy with KC at the time, but is there a connection between the daughter and Lee? Could the daughter of this woman been dating Lee at the time?

When doing a search for Zenaida Gonzalez, birthdate 01/11/86, as listed on her driver's license in the Florida DMV database, there is no way to connect her to that address...nor is there any evidence of her existing out in the world other than that DMV record. There's no hit against her on any people search engines available. She simply occurs as a point in time - the DMV record. With no evidence to back that record.

If ZG22 is not KC's alias, she's somebody else's. And that's why there's been no show on the traffic case...the new laws in place prevent the license from being renewed. It's just real odd that it's all concurrent with KC landing in jail.

Some one earlier stated something about the "zenaida" myspace being in discovery. No it has not. And the "zenaida" search on the desktop does not hit against that myspace because there is no "zenaida" in the URL...it would not return as a hit on that search word.

And from your original post:

Then, maybe, they will be able to tell us why the 22 year old Zenaida Gonzalez who got two traffic tickets in Orlando by an OCSO officer in May 2008 - one for not yielding at an intersection, the other for not have a valid driver's license was able to completely satisfy the ticket for not yielding, but was unable to produce a valid license at the June 11th arraignment for not possessing the license. And maybe they will explain why the payments on the fine for not having a license were kept up until KC went back to jail for good and then this "Zenaida Gonzalez" fell off the face of the earth. Maybe they will explain why, on February 19th, 2009, "Zenaida" didn't show up for her last chance to keep her license and they subsequently issued a court-ordered suspension of that license.

I'm confused. If 22 year old ZG was never able to produce a license, how do we know what address was listed on it?

 

[ExpectingUnicorns]

"The house number is given as 422 and the houses on that street only go up to 421. I think the street was Regal Downs Circle."

Something is unreliable. Zillow has this link for 422 Regal Downs Circle, Winter Garden, FL:

http://www.zillow.com/homedetails/birds-eye-view-map/54048197_zpid/#birds-eye-view

So either Zillow is wrong or the person who gave you the info on the address. Please don't misunderstand me ~ I'm not challenging you; I just don't want misinformation to be passed along.

 

[SL_Zero]

hey i am not positive about this but don't police cars all have video equipment now? i think that it is de facto for the video to run on any stop or incident. this can serve as evidence if the perp gives trouble, or also as defense if someone claims mistreatment.

wouldn't there then be video of ZFG22 somewhere?

oh, to get our snoopy little hands on that!
:angel:

 

[Chilly Willy]

Chilly, I am not sure what you mean by this. I am reading the point of the OP to be that the 8/2003 charge was dismissed, over & done when KC provided her DL back in 2003. And then suddenly became UNdismissed and "prosecutorial" in 9/2008. I can see her having a fake ID (with perhaps an earlier, more useful birthdate)... but I don't see what that fake ID could possibly have to do with the change of status... is that what you are saying?

<Dawn's head is about to explode>:burn:

:crosseyed::crosseyed::crosseyed:

Yes, that's what I'm saying. If Casey were caught with a fraudulent driver's license, she would be charged with possessing a false ID. It would not change the status of a 5 year old, dismissed, unrelated citation.

 

[Jaboom97]

I agree with you, I wouldn't want to pass along misinformation to fellow websleuths-to my knowledge this person lives down there so I don't know how she verified the street numbers for Regal Downs(i.e. unsure if she drove the street) and I see your point with Zillow-but then again I don't know how much to trust the accuracy of that site as I typed my street address in there and it listed properties that I know are for sale, but definitely not my street or style of homes for the development(OH)-so I just don't know what way to identify it-but I used yahoo maps and mapped it and it showed that 422 was a legal number and address-so I just don't know.

Thank You for replying-I just wish the person I communicate with had obtained a tag number or something-all she said was different times, different sides of OC and different vehicles. And the mystery continues....

 

[Valhall]

I got the reply regarding the time/location information(unfortunately no tag info) and I am pasting it here:

Yes. Zanni's was around 10:30 AM in Ocoee, FL in a '95 Chevy. Annie's was around 6 PM in Orlando, FL in a '03 Ford. I can't remember the tag #'s, but they were in totally different cars, at different times, and on opposite ends of Orange County. I will tell you also that the address listed on Zanni's citation is a fake address. The house number is given as 422 and the houses on that street only go up to 421. I think the street was Regal Downs Circle. Feel free to copy+paste this or forward this along.

422 Regal Downs Circle is a real house. And it was being lived in by a newly divorced woman with her daughter in 2001 when the ZG22 driver's license would have been issued. And there hasn't been any ZG22 live there (or anywhere else for that matter) as far as any records can show. I wish he had written down the tag number on the Chevy.

 

[Valhall]

And from your original post:



I'm confused. If 22 year old ZG was never able to produce a license, how do we know what address was listed on it?

It's in the DMV records.

 

[Chilly Willy]

It's in the DMV records.

So you're saying the DMV actually issued a driver's license to Casey, who was posing as ZG?

These are the Florida requirements for having a first driver's license issued:

- two forms of identification, one of which must be a birth certificate or passport.
- proof of date of birth
- proof of residential address
- proof of social security number.
- Non US Citizens must present proof of legal presence.
- All applicants must show proof that they have completed a traffic law and substance abuse education course
- pass vision and hearing tests, road rules and road sign tests, plus a driving test.

Do you really believe that Casey, at 17 years of age, would have been able to provide those things?

 

[Valhall]

No...I'm saying this. The PERSON who got the driver's license with the name "Zenaida Gonzalez" dob 01/11/86, address 422 Regal Downs Circle got that driver's license by producing whatever documents were required (however fake those documents were), while not living at that address, and subsequently has not lived anywhere else as best can be determined. Let's be clear on this...I THINK it was KC. But it doesn't matter whether it was or not. The importance of the situation is that A PERSON got a fake id with an address they did not live at with the name "Zenaida Gonzalez", which happens to be very important to this case. They have subsequently fell off the face of the earth concurrent with the same time that KC has been unable to interface with the outside world.

Facts:

Zenaida Gonzalez - dob 01/11/86 did not live at 422 Regal Downs Circle in 2001.
Zenaida Gonzalez - dob 01/11/86 does not appear to have lived anywhere else
Zenaida Gonzalez - dob 01/11/86 has never had her SSN verified in the Florida DMV database
Zenaida Gonzalez - dob 01/11/86 has made it to the age of 23 without making any list of any kind (utility bill, classmates, addresses, etc.)
Someone stating they were "Zenaida Gonzalez" - dob 01/11/86 - got stopped on 05/24/08 and couldn't produce a valid driver's license....they got fingerprinted.
Zenaida Gonzalez - dob 01/11/86 has not reappeared relative to the citation since some time after 8/15/08 <=== last payment date on traffic citation

 

[gogrannypop]

No...I'm saying this. The PERSON who got the driver's license with the name "Zenaida Gonzalez" dob 01/11/86, address 422 Regal Downs Circle got that driver's license by producing whatever documents were required (however fake those documents were), while not living at that address, and subsequently has not lived anywhere else as best can be determined. Let's be clear on this...I THINK it was KC. But it doesn't matter whether it was or not. The importance of the situation is that A PERSON got a fake id with an address they did not live at with the name "Zenaida Gonzalez", which happens to be very important to this case. They have subsequently fell off the face of the earth concurrent with the same time that KC has been unable to interface with the outside world.

Facts:

Zenaida Gonzalez - dob 01/11/86 did not live at 422 Regal Downs Circle in 2001.
Zenaida Gonzalez - dob 01/11/86 does not appear to have lived anywhere else
Zenaida Gonzalez - dob 01/11/86 has never had her SSN verified in the Florida DMV database
Zenaida Gonzalez - dob 01/11/86 has made it to the age of 23 without making any list of any kind (utility bill, classmates, addresses, etc.)
Someone stating they were "Zenaida Gonzalez" - dob 01/11/86 - got stopped on 05/24/08 and couldn't produce a valid driver's license....they got fingerprinted.
Zenaida Gonzalez - dob 01/11/86 has not reappeared relative to the citation since some time after 8/15/08 <=== last payment date on traffic citation

Thank you! I thought I got it, and now it is as clear as crystal. Awesome work.

 

[MAMABEAR]

No...I'm saying this. The PERSON who got the driver's license with the name "Zenaida Gonzalez" dob 01/11/86, address 422 Regal Downs Circle got that driver's license by producing whatever documents were required (however fake those documents were), while not living at that address, and subsequently has not lived anywhere else as best can be determined. Let's be clear on this...I THINK it was KC. But it doesn't matter whether it was or not. The importance of the situation is that A PERSON got a fake id with an address they did not live at with the name "Zenaida Gonzalez", which happens to be very important to this case. They have subsequently fell off the face of the earth concurrent with the same time that KC has been unable to interface with the outside world.

Facts:

Zenaida Gonzalez - dob 01/11/86 did not live at 422 Regal Downs Circle in 2001.
Zenaida Gonzalez - dob 01/11/86 does not appear to have lived anywhere else
Zenaida Gonzalez - dob 01/11/86 has never had her SSN verified in the Florida DMV database
Zenaida Gonzalez - dob 01/11/86 has made it to the age of 23 without making any list of any kind (utility bill, classmates, addresses, etc.)
Someone stating they were "Zenaida Gonzalez" - dob 01/11/86 - got stopped on 05/24/08 and couldn't produce a valid driver's license....they got fingerprinted.
Zenaida Gonzalez - dob 01/11/86 has not reappeared relative to the citation since some time after 8/15/08 <=== last payment date on traffic citation

Member in GA interview he was explaining how KC produced a recite from when she put money into Ants account and they had checks that bounced because that money never was deposited? He said it looked real! If she can do that then why couldn't she fix a fake DL? Maybe she knows somebody. No telling how far down under this world she or she and her family are.

 

[Chilly Willy]

On 6/11/08, 22 year old ZG appeared at an arraignment in court represented by counsel.

On 7/15/08, 22 year old ZG made a $50 payment toward her fines.

On 8/15/08, 22 year old ZG made a $100 payment toward her fines.

I have a very difficult time believing that Casey, or anyone, would appear in court with counsel to fight a traffic citation they received while using a fraudulent license with a false name and a false address. Why appear at all if the court doesn't know who you are and you could be risking numerous felony charges if caught? It makes no sense.

 

[Chilly Willy]

Member in GA interview he was explaining how KC produced a recite from when she put money into Ants account and they had checks that bounced because that money never was deposited? He said it looked real! If she can do that then why couldn't she fix a fake DL? Maybe she knows somebody. No telling how far down under this world she or she and her family are.

According to the original poster, it was a real driver's license obtained from the DMV using false documentation, not one some computer guru made up in their basement.

 

[Valhall]

On 6/11/08, 22 year old ZG appeared at an arraignment in court represented by counsel.

On 7/15/08, 22 year old ZG made a $50 payment toward her fines.

On 8/15/08, 22 year old ZG made a $100 payment toward her fines.

I have a very difficult time believing that Casey, or anyone, would appear in court with counsel to fight a traffic citation they received while using a fraudulent license, with a false name and a false address. Why appear at all if the court doesn't know who you are and you could be risking numerous felony charges if caught? It makes no sense.

Well, first of all, I never force anything on anyone else, so I'm okay with you having the difficult time. But to clear something up...there is no proof she appeared with council. It is required to list council on the docket...no council is listed.

And it does make sense, and it has been discussed several times right here. She was fingerprinted. It was in her best interest to establish a fine payment plan, pay it, and let it go away...otherwise she would have a criminal record (bench warrant) with her fingerprint associated with it.

IF it was KC, the only thing that got in the way of it "going away" was being incarcerated for murder...she couldn't pay the fine payments anymore.