Is Casey the real Zenaida?

[Imbackon]

I would agree, but IIRC Valhalla's research put Casey at her parents home on the night the page was created. And the IP is assigned by the internet provider you use - not email account (although that information can oobviously help as well).

Oh yeah, forgot that. Unless you have wi-fi nearby right? I know that makes the odds slimmer of course, but who knows? I live in a downtown condo, where even the coffee shops' nearby is available and open, but I know it is not the same as the burbs. I have friends that use their neighbors when their IP is slow though. Just a thought.
At this point I lean toward a hijacked account but keeping an open mind, and would love nothing better than for this to be true since I believe her guilty.

 

[rhornsby]

Since this case is essentially an on-going investigation, I don't think we would know whether LE checked into this or not. But I do believe they have. JMO.

Apparently you all have some inside LE source that feeds you information - problem is they don't know Florida law very well (IMO).

While it is possible they are withholding the information, the "ongoing investigation" exception to Florida's public records law only applies to pre-indictment cases. Under Florida law, once formal charges are filed it is no longer considered an "ongoing investigation," but an active formal prosecution for purposes of public records law.

To try to conceptualize the reason for this distinction, you would hope your government would not initiate a formal prosecution of someone until they have finished "investigating" the crime.

 

[sumbunny]

casey seemed intelligent with computers. I know there is a way to I.P mask. Think she'd bother to go the extra mile and cover her tracks? ~nah~

 

[Bittiness39]

Oh yeah, forgot that. Unless you have wi-fi nearby right? I know that makes the odds slimmer of course, but who knows? I live in a downtown condo, where even the coffee shops' nearby is available and open, but I know it is not the same as the burbs. I have friends that use their neighbors when their IP is slow though. Just a thought.
At this point I lean toward a hijacked account but keeping an open mind, and would love nothing better than for this to be true since I believe her guilty.

One thing we do know is that KC is not Vince Young. J/K
But I would imagine that LE has her texts, internet postings (though some doubt could be attributed based on people living within the home) already investigated. JMO. I think they have her number and can narrow down stuff based on that.

 

[Reagan]

Isn't Lee's middle name "Alex"ander? Just something to think about? I don't know whether or not it is a hacker but I could see where someone close to Casey would have gotten access to the password and decided to tamper with it. Nothing any of her supporters do surprises me.

I think Cindy's dad is also named Alex. Caylee's great grandfather who was one of the last faces she saw before her disguisting mom took her innocent life.

 

[cecybeans]

I would agree, but IIRC Valhalla's research put Casey at her parents home on the night the page was created. And the IP is assigned by the internet provider you use - not email account (although that information can oobviously help as well).

IIRC, the page was created during the daytime on 6-16, certainly within the window that KC was there, so I'd suspect it was the Anthony family IP addy.

I supposed we'd have to assume that a great deal of her internet activity from then on took place at other addys, most likely wireless connections at her friends or some hot spot during the day.

Some speculation has occurred as to the address of the final access. Tracy M in her depo mentioned observing KC using a computer at JB's office, so we know that was not a privilege she was denied. Folks on the thread (and by that, I mean people who are far more tech savvy than most of us and know enough to be considered experts comparatively) have figured that KC may have had enough time after her indictment and before she showed up at OCSO to have accessed it, either at JB's office or through a mobile device in CA's car during her version of the Bronco incident.

I don't use mobile devices to access social network accounts, so I'm not sure how telecom carrier servers manage assigning temporary IPs from a roaming situation or if it's even recorded that way and not simply tagged as a mobile device. But I imagine it could be discovered if necessary.

 

[cecybeans]

Apparently you all have some inside LE source that feeds you information - problem is they don't know Florida law very well (IMO).

While it is possible they are withholding the information, the "ongoing investigation" exception to Florida's public records law only applies to pre-indictment cases. Under Florida law, once formal charges are filed it is no longer considered an "ongoing investigation," but an active formal prosecution for purposes of public records law.

To try to conceptualize the reason for this distinction, you would hope your government would not initiate a formal prosecution of someone until they have finished "investigating" the crime.

Well, if Morgan is using this info as fodder for his civil suit, would that still apply? How about if the FBI was doing the investigation?

 

[RR0004]

Apparently you all have some inside LE source that feeds you information - problem is they don't know Florida law very well (IMO).

While it is possible they are withholding the information, the "ongoing investigation" exception to Florida's public records law only applies to pre-indictment cases. Under Florida law, once formal charges are filed it is no longer considered an "ongoing investigation," but an active formal prosecution for purposes of public records law.

To try to conceptualize the reason for this distinction, you would hope your government would not initiate a formal prosecution of someone until they have finished "investigating" the crime.

Does the same hold true for the FBI?

 

[RR0004]

Well, if Morgan is using this info as fodder for his civil suit, would that still apply? How about if the FBI was doing the investigation?

Not fair...I didn't see your post! LOL

LMTA

 

[RR0004]

casey seemed intelligent with computers. I know there is a way to I.P mask. Think she'd bother to go the extra mile and cover her tracks? ~nah~

Which reminds me...why did they all contribute this info...that Casey was good with computers? Weird, weird, weird family.

 

[JBean]

Apparently you all have some inside LE source that feeds you information - problem is they don't know Florida law very well (IMO).

While it is possible they are withholding the information, the "ongoing investigation" exception to Florida's public records law only applies to pre-indictment cases. Under Florida law, once formal charges are filed it is no longer considered an "ongoing investigation," but an active formal prosecution for purposes of public records law.

To try to conceptualize the reason for this distinction, you would hope your government would not initiate a formal prosecution of someone until they have finished "investigating" the crime.

This is very helpful information, thank you. When you say, "While it is possible they are withholding the information" how would they be able to do that and then use the information at trial if they should have revealed it by now?

 

[kew17]

Apparently you all have some inside LE source that feeds you information - problem is they don't know Florida law very well (IMO).

While it is possible they are withholding the information, the "ongoing investigation" exception to Florida's public records law only applies to pre-indictment cases. Under Florida law, once formal charges are filed it is no longer considered an "ongoing investigation," but an active formal prosecution for purposes of public records law.

To try to conceptualize the reason for this distinction, you would hope your government would not initiate a formal prosecution of someone until they have finished "investigating" the crime.

My question about this "ongoing investigation" rule is if it only applies to pre-indictment cases, how would all the continued testing that we see notes and records from dating after Jan 1, 2009 be able to be used in trial when she was indicted in Oct. 2008?

I mean new information comes to light everyday. New witness' come forward etc. This information would need to be investigated, right?

 

[rhornsby]

This is very helpful information, thank you. When you say, "While it is possible they are withholding the information" how would they be able to do that and then use the information at trial if they should have revealed it by now?

Well, there is the law and then there is the interpretation of the law.

The agencies, I believe, can insist the information is released through the State Attorney - but the State Attorney insisted the defense get the information directly from the agencies (remember the drama over this).

Another wrinkle, you can't force a scientist to release his/her results until the tests are done. Thus the delay.

A final wrinkle, until a public citizen files a lawsuit to enforce the public records law, what do the agencies care if they release the information at their leisure.

 

[Phumi]

Apparently you all have some inside LE source that feeds you information - problem is they don't know Florida law very well (IMO).

While it is possible they are withholding the information, the "ongoing investigation" exception to Florida's public records law only applies to pre-indictment cases. Under Florida law, once formal charges are filed it is no longer considered an "ongoing investigation," but an active formal prosecution for purposes of public records law.

To try to conceptualize the reason for this distinction, you would hope your government would not initiate a formal prosecution of someone until they have finished "investigating" the crime.

Maybe the ongoing investigation is for a different crime (that is pre-indictment):Like obstruction of justice for a family member. Would it have to be released then?

 

[jade78]

Put Zenaida Dora the explorer in myspace search {search all myspace}

You get a 12yr old named Zenaida!!

 

[reeseeva]

Well, there is the law and then there is the interpretation of the law.

The agencies, I believe, can insist the information is released through the State Attorney - but the State Attorney insisted the defense get the information directly from the agencies (remember the drama over this).

Another wrinkle, you can't force a scientist to release his/her results until the tests are done. Thus the delay.

A final wrinkle, until a public citizen files a lawsuit to enforce the public records law, what do the agencies care if they release the information at their leisure.

BBM

I have always wondered about this, and exactly how long before a trial, can they withhold info, that would be admissable at trial?

TIA

P.S. So thankful you are part of this wonderful group, I look for this thread everyday!

 

[WolfmarsGirl]

casey seemed intelligent with computers. I know there is a way to I.P mask. Think she'd bother to go the extra mile and cover her tracks? ~nah~

I think she would and could.

I mean, look at what she could do with bank accounts and credit cards; she was able to steal freely simply by knowing the numbers on accounts. Who the heck can do that???

And, she was just a kid. A very, very scary kid...

 

[nitasch]

Reagan,

There was supposed to be a pony or horse found with the remains, but I've not seen anything released on that since it was first stated.

Yes, Dora has ponies. But the references between the two are speculative at best since we haven't seen pictures of the toy horse found at the scene.

If I remember correctly, very very early on when the first interviews were released, there was a discussion here about the backpack that GA stated he saw Caylee with the last time he saw her. It was a back pack with monkeys on it.

It was discussed here that the Dora back pack has her monkey friend on it (don't remember his name)

But of course that is speculation as well.

I do not find it a stretch for KC to use the Dora picture if in fact she did create this page, but it was more to fool CA and GA....I don't think she thought far enough ahead to realize that law enforcement would get so involved. It is my opinion that she believed she could pull the story telling routine and fool the police as she had obviously done her whole life with her parents.

I have to admit Val, when I first read this theory of yours, I dismissed it. But the more discovery that is released, the less I believe in coincidences.

I would love to know what on earth that woman police officer took from CA the wee morning of the 16th when LA brought KC's belongings from TL's place. LA stated it looked like an old drivers license or identification, and the police woman thought it interesting enough to immediately take it from CA..

That item may be nothing, or it may be something huge!

On edit, GREAT job on all the research people! Especially you Val, you have the absolute best timeline I have seen to date in this case.

 

[Oakley]

If I remember correctly, very very early on when the first interviews were released, there was a discussion here about the backpack that GA stated he saw Caylee with the last time he saw her. It was a back pack with monkeys on it.

It was discussed here that the Dora back pack has her monkey friend on it (don't remember his name)

But of course that is speculation as well.

I do not find it a stretch for KC to use the Dora picture if in fact she did create this page, but it was more to fool CA and GA....I don't think she thought far enough ahead to realize that law enforcement would get so involved. It is my opinion that she believed she could pull the story telling routine and fool the police as she had obviously done her whole life with her parents.

I have to admit Val, when I first read this theory of yours, I dismissed it. But the more discovery that is released, the less I believe in coincidences.

I would love to know what on earth that woman police officer took from CA the wee morning of the 16th when LA brought KC's belongings from TL's place. LA stated it looked like an old drivers license or identification, and the police woman thought it interesting enough to immediately take it from CA..

That item may be nothing, or it may be something huge!

On edit, GREAT job on all the research people! Especially you Val, you have the absolute best timeline I have seen to date in this case.

BBM - His name is Boots. :smile:

 

[nitasch]

BBM - His name is Boots. :smile:

THANK YOU! I put that on my list of things that are going to bug the daylights out of me till I find out....(crossing that one off thanks to lacey) :woohoo: