Is George lying?

[Woe.be.gone]

yes...You're right RR..it's the wrong year...George had been living back at home since 2006
He left Nov/Dec 2005 and returned in 2006

I believe Casey became very angry in March 2008..IMO angry at Cindy

iirc within days of Cindy cutting off Casey's money supply Casey is conducting those searches..very hinky to IMO

Interesting. That means GA shifted the six months he was absent from home forward on his job application making it look as if he wasn't in the Orlando area in January, February and March of 2008. He was working for Security Forces during Jan-July 2008.
I wonder why he didn't want Andrews Int'l. to know that. :waitasec: Strange.

 

[Leila]

Early on Casey told her family that Caylee's safety depended upon Casey's silence. She made it sound like Caylee was being held by some one that would possibly return her in the future, but only if Casey did what she was told. So the family was scared and confused, although still very skeptical and suspicious. So they tried not to do or say anything that would put Caylee in harm's way.
George had doubts but he also knew Casey lied and stole from people so he thought it might be possible that someone took the child to punish Casey over a bad debt or something like that. The family wanted to believe that situation over the nagging fear they had that Casey was guilty herself, imo.

I don't now remember which jailhouse visit, but in one of the visits George DID ask Casey if she was in trouble with someone, did she owe someone money, and could they be keeping Caylee because of that. Paraphrasing it as I don't have the exact quote, but the way he said it I knew why he was asking. I'm sure that knowing about Casey's thefts, he thought maybe she had stolen from the wrong person this time.

 

[Dr.Fessel]

George lied about his little prayer he said for it not to be Casey or Caylee in that trunk. He knew Cindy had talked to Casey in the last 2 weeks since the car had been towed. He knew how long that car had been there. No reason for him to think it might be Casey.

 

[catnron]

Personally, I go back n' forth with George - I just don't understand him. I know he is a very grieving grandfather/father. He's been hurt terribly. On one hand we hear he was trying to be tough with ICA at the house, then treats her with candied gloves in the jail house tapes. So I don't know if I've ever really seen the real George (ie, the angry George in the media, the George on the stand, the George on the tapes).

But I can bet ya my bottom dollar that he didn't molest his daughter or find his grandaughter in the pool and covered it up. No way no how.

I think like others have said - he's doing the best he can given the circumstances (many) that he's been put under.

Thanks - just my opinion.

Mel

Casey has not to this day told the truth at all,everyone knows this. She trives on lies.Why would anyone even think to believe that she would not lie on George. All Casey has done is lie with lies. Can we believe that she has lied on everything except George and told the truth only on George? I think not, this is also one of Caseys lies about George. Casey is going to take down everyone that has come in contact with her, even Baez with her lies. Why should anyone ever believe anything she says. She does not know truth.

 

[GatorMom]

I spent a lot of time wondering about George, and Cindy too... but, they came through at the trial. I've released my doubt and it feels pretty darn good.

I agree. I think these people are living through a nightmare no one should have to experience. I believe Cindy; until April she was looking for Caylee and the fake nanny. She spent three years desperately holding onto hope only to have it ripped away. I feel sorry for her and I hope she can find some peace one day. Having to face that Caylee is dead and Casey is responsible must be so hard for her. Her denial went so deep that even after the remains were discovered she chose to believe her daughter and not face the facts. She might have been a "pit bull" about it but does she deserve to be accused and denigrated? No. And if people stood outside my home holding up signs, shining lights in my windows and screaming things at me I would probably end up in jail because I would not have been as nice about it as the Anthonys were.

Only one person in that house did anything wrong and that is Casey.

Then there's the tape of George talking to Casey about sitting down and talking to this fellow he met named Scott. He never tells her Scott is an FBI agent. George clearly thought she knew more than she was telling and he tried to get her to talk to the FBI without Jose Baez around. That screams (to me) that George was only interested in finding out what happened to his granddaughter. And that was back in late July 2008. He's carried quite a burden for the last three years. I don't care if he gambles or cheats on his wife, that's none of my business. That's between a husband and a wife.

Then he goes onto tell Casey he wishes they hadn't been so distant the past few years (in that same tape) and apologizes for not trying harder to be her Dad. Can you imagine how hard it must have been to raise a teenager who is a sociopath? He's an ex-detective, he must have recognized what she is but to have to admit it to himself...the poor guy.

I suspect George's mother is a lot like Cindy. I expect he's spent his entire life being submissive and the only way he acts out is to gamble and cheat on his marriage. But again that's none of my business.

Cindy...after her testimony I don't have the heart to feel anything but pity for her. These people raised a child who has destroyed their dreams of a future for their family. No matter what their family will never be the same, even if Lee gives them a pack of grandchildren there will never be a holiday that doesn't break a little more of their hearts.

I don't judge them and I don't understand why anyone would think they are guilty of anything but trying to find Caylee and hoping against hope that Casey was not responsible.

I think Mark Lippman is correct when he says all they want now is the truth about what happened. I think that takes courage because they KNOW their daughter is responsible for what happened, especially after Jose Baez' opening arguments. I think George (and probably Cindy now) suspects that where ever Caylee was when they were told she was "with Zanny" means she was knocked out and in the trunk of the car.

And I still maintain that if they knew Caylee drowned in that pool they would have torn it down no matter how it looked for Casey. They would have never let it stand there for 3 years.

I just feel bad for all of them. Except ICA. I hope she gets the needle.

 

[Leila]

I think George repeated what ICA told him she was wearing on the 16th from her written statement, or they asked her. I don't believe any of them saw her on the 16th. They lied because Cindy did not want to make ICA suspect by admitting there was a fight on the 15th in which ICA left angry with Caylee. The lie was proven, imo, when Caylee was found in the woods still wearing her outfit from the 15th.

I agree that CA didn't want it known that anything had happened on the 15th that could have triggered Caylee's disappearance. So it was necessary for George to state that it was a normal day like any other day and go on to describe what both Casey and Caylee were wearing.

I always thought it interesting that the first time we heard about George seeing Casey and Caylee leave on June 16th was during an interview with Greta Van Susteran when she went to Orlando and did a tour of the Anthony home. That was about 3 weeks after Casey had been arrested.........I think about the first or second week in August. George's story wasn't part of the official timeline until then.

 

[GiantPickle]

I totally agree - I think this is the same sort of experience George was going through - all the evidence is right there but if he admits she's a killer, he has to admit the baby is dead and if he admits the baby is dead then he has to admit that his only daughter killed his only grandbaby. Denial is a necessary thing sometimes.

But 'suspected' and 'knew' are two different things. And when something that horrifying is staring you in the face, it is really hard to know what to believe.

One night, very late, I was fast asleep, and got a call from my 17 yr old son. I answered and heard the scariest thing I ever heard as a parent. " Mom, I just got in a really bad accident. I can't breathe..."

me:Where are you??????

C: On the fwy.

me: What exit?????

C. I don't know...CLICK/

I call back and it goes straight to voice mail. My husband and daughter were away on a trip so I jumped in the car and sped to the 101 fwy. I was shaking so hard and so frightened because my mind kept going to a bad place. I drove a couple of miles South and then turned around and went North. Coming around a bend I came upon my nightmare. Flashing lights, cops and ambulances. And even then, I held onto the hope that my son was okay. The fwy was closed except for one lane, which was moving slowly. I still clung to the belief that he was fine. Then I saw his truck. It was smashed like a pancake. The front end had accordianed into the side of a large Buick. My heart was pounding out of my chest, but I kept clinging to the fact that he had called and spoken to me. That kept me going. I pulled over and talked to the Hwy Patrolman and told him it was my sons truck. He looked worried and again, I should have fallen apart right there. But I held on to the tiniest bit of faith that he was okay. I am looking right at his totaled truck and two ambulances parked alongside the scene. But I held tight to my belief.

The cop walked me over to the ambulance, and there was my son. Sitting up,
smiling, talking to the young female EMT. That is when my knees buckled. But I had been right. Against all odds, my tiny bit of hope stayed with me.
His air bag saved him and the major damage was on the passenger side and he had already dropped his gf off before the accident. The other car was driven by a drunk driver who spun out right in front of my kid, who had no time to stop and hit the drunk driver broadside.

The point of this story? I as a parent did NOT want to believe the evidence before my eyes which indicated my son was horribly injured. There was plenty of evidence to indicate that, but I kept hoping it was going to be okay. Thank goodness it was. But it helps me understand how George overlooked what he did. Wow, this trunk smells. But hey, there is garbage here, that must be why. And my wife has spoken to Casey, and the baby is just fine... It was a natural reaction for him as a parent to hold onto hope, imoo.

 

[Cayleefan]

I find him very truthful. I think he is a good man who has a huge, kind heart. Not for a second, could I think that of him.

 

[katydid23]

George lied about his little prayer he said for it not to be Casey or Caylee in that trunk. He knew Cindy had talked to Casey in the last 2 weeks since the car had been towed. He knew how long that car had been there. No reason for him to think it might be Casey.

I think he did say a prayer for Casey---that she was not the cause of the smell of death in the car.

 

[RR0004]

I agree. I think these people are living through a nightmare no one should have to experience. I believe Cindy; until April she was looking for Caylee and the fake nanny. She spent three years desperately holding onto hope only to have it ripped away. I feel sorry for her and I hope she can find some peace one day. Having to face that Caylee is dead and Casey is responsible must be so hard for her. Her denial went so deep that even after the remains were discovered she chose to believe her daughter and not face the facts. She might have been a "pit bull" about it but does she deserve to be accused and denigrated? No. And if people stood outside my home holding up signs, shining lights in my windows and screaming things at me I would probably end up in jail because I would not have been as nice about it as the Anthonys were.

Only one person in that house did anything wrong and that is Casey.

Then there's the tape of George talking to Casey about sitting down and talking to this fellow he met named Scott. He never tells her Scott is an FBI agent. George clearly thought she knew more than she was telling and he tried to get her to talk to the FBI without Jose Baez around. That screams (to me) that George was only interested in finding out what happened to his granddaughter. And that was back in late July 2008. He's carried quite a burden for the last three years. I don't care if he gambles or cheats on his wife, that's none of my business. That's between a husband and a wife.

Then he goes onto tell Casey he wishes they hadn't been so distant the past few years (in that same tape) and apologizes for not trying harder to be her Dad. Can you imagine how hard it must have been to raise a teenager who is a sociopath? He's an ex-detective, he must have recognized what she is but to have to admit it to himself...the poor guy.

I suspect George's mother is a lot like Cindy. I expect he's spent his entire life being submissive and the only way he acts out is to gamble and cheat on his marriage. But again that's none of my business.

Cindy...after her testimony I don't have the heart to feel anything but pity for her. These people raised a child who has destroyed their dreams of a future for their family. No matter what their family will never be the same, even if Lee gives them a pack of grandchildren there will never be a holiday that doesn't break a little more of their hearts.

I don't judge them and I don't understand why anyone would think they are guilty of anything but trying to find Caylee and hoping against hope that Casey was not responsible.

I think Mark Lippman is correct when he says all they want now is the truth about what happened. I think that takes courage because they KNOW their daughter is responsible for what happened, especially after Jose Baez' opening arguments. I think George (and probably Cindy now) suspects that where ever Caylee was when they were told she was "with Zanny" means she was knocked out and in the trunk of the car.

And I still maintain that if they knew Caylee drowned in that pool they would have torn it down no matter how it looked for Casey. They would have never let it stand there for 3 years.

I just feel bad for all of them. Except ICA. I hope she gets the needle.

Great post...and ITA! I was here from the start and a lot of what I've seen posted has been discussed forever and a day. I, for one, never had the feeling that George would be the one to tell the truth...but never in a million years did I view his denial as complicity in Caylee's death. Do I think they told stories? Yes...but they were always stories that put their daughter in a favorable light. They took a lot of heat for not fessing up to what they really believed in their hearts, IMO. Now that they come forward and bare their souls, their feelings are viewed as suspect? I'm not getting something here.

 

[krkrjx]

In my personal estimation, George has been the most forthcoming of all the Anthony characters. From the beginning, he has seemed to me and many others the "one" member of this family least likely to tell tall tales.

However: This man (as well as his wife and son) have been MARINATING in the effects of living with a sociopathic person whom they LOVE (Casey) and want to protect, and anguish over.

Most of us can't stand Casey. We have no emotional investment in her as a daughter or sister or mother. It's no problem to disdain her. For the Anthony family, this is not the case.

Loving a sociopath will make your head turn inside out. I see evidence of the entire Anthony family "suffering" from the effects of a long term intimate relationship with a sociopathic person. Try to look at it from THEIR point of view. Casey is someone they love and have much invested in, as we all do with our family members. We are just spectators to their tragedy.

I was married to a sociopathic person for seven years, and thankfully got brave enough to turn him into the local police and get protection. I ended up "disappearing" so he doesn't know where I am. In the last four years, I've recovered myself better than ever, but, the person I BECAME while intimate with this person was a pathetically passive, dishonest and dangerously oblivious version of myself.

I have no doubt I appeared very hinky. There was SO MUCH to cover up, mostly my own terrible shame because I KNEW there was something terribly wrong but did not have the courage to stand up to it and fight it.

I see George as having a similar kind of shame.

It does not absolve him of his own dishonesty and machinations. It only makes it understandable, and, that there is another storyline that makes sense of his behavior and words.

ETA: LOL forgot my original point. YES, George is lying. Has lied, probably will lie again. Of course he has. But not for reasons those who haven't had intimate relationships with sociopaths would immediately understand.

It reduces his credibility but does not negate it.

:clap::clap::clap:

 

[Ricki]

Does this mean that KC was not home early morning on June 16?
GA and CA both say she was in her room sleeping. What gives?
There's too much to keep track of for me to keep all the details straight.
If KC was not home, the whole story goes to pot, no?

Not only did CA say they were sleeping, she added that she heard them breathing. I cannot hear anyone of my kids/grandkids breathing in a room with the door closed. I never understood why she sad that because it made no sense to me to hear someone breath behind closed doors, unless they were snoring which I doubt.

 

[vantage]

I do believe GA is lying about the events of June 16, but I also think there are a lot of bizzare things that happened in the Anthony household. What has happened to Caylee as unfortunate and tragic as it is has brought it all to the public eye. We all have different coping mechanisms, our experiences are all very different and being a incest survivor--its possible. All the stories the ICA told from what I have heard on the videos were too unbelievable/bizzare for a professional not to think that something was seriously wrong with this woman. To be caught in sooooo many lies and to continue fabricating more and more--is that cunning or is that a little wacko? IMO CA is not being honest in her testimony either--why lie about whether you received a large number of calls from your daughter on the day in question-the day your granddaughter went missing? The body language suggested deception to me. You are certain that you did not leave the ladder up, and GA didn't leave the gate open, but ICA could have come back to the house to go swimming--hummmm. You have already lost your beloved granddaughter, so why throw your only daughter under the bus?

 

[Ricki]

Tonight on WS radio show RH said he thought GA may not be truthful on the stand because his tone is very monotone. We have seen GA get hostile in past testimonies. I think GA is trying very hard to control his demeanor and voice so he does not get thrown out of the courtroom.

 

[GiantPickle]

I totally agree with everything you said here except I want her to get LWOP for her parent's sake. Trying and retrying the case on appeals over and over is going to kill them.

I agree. I think these people are living through a nightmare no one should have to experience. I believe Cindy; until April she was looking for Caylee and the fake nanny. She spent three years desperately holding onto hope only to have it ripped away. I feel sorry for her and I hope she can find some peace one day. Having to face that Caylee is dead and Casey is responsible must be so hard for her. Her denial went so deep that even after the remains were discovered she chose to believe her daughter and not face the facts. She might have been a "pit bull" about it but does she deserve to be accused and denigrated? No. And if people stood outside my home holding up signs, shining lights in my windows and screaming things at me I would probably end up in jail because I would not have been as nice about it as the Anthonys were.

Only one person in that house did anything wrong and that is Casey.

Then there's the tape of George talking to Casey about sitting down and talking to this fellow he met named Scott. He never tells her Scott is an FBI agent. George clearly thought she knew more than she was telling and he tried to get her to talk to the FBI without Jose Baez around. That screams (to me) that George was only interested in finding out what happened to his granddaughter. And that was back in late July 2008. He's carried quite a burden for the last three years. I don't care if he gambles or cheats on his wife, that's none of my business. That's between a husband and a wife.

Then he goes onto tell Casey he wishes they hadn't been so distant the past few years (in that same tape) and apologizes for not trying harder to be her Dad. Can you imagine how hard it must have been to raise a teenager who is a sociopath? He's an ex-detective, he must have recognized what she is but to have to admit it to himself...the poor guy.

I suspect George's mother is a lot like Cindy. I expect he's spent his entire life being submissive and the only way he acts out is to gamble and cheat on his marriage. But again that's none of my business.

Cindy...after her testimony I don't have the heart to feel anything but pity for her. These people raised a child who has destroyed their dreams of a future for their family. No matter what their family will never be the same, even if Lee gives them a pack of grandchildren there will never be a holiday that doesn't break a little more of their hearts.

I don't judge them and I don't understand why anyone would think they are guilty of anything but trying to find Caylee and hoping against hope that Casey was not responsible.

I think Mark Lippman is correct when he says all they want now is the truth about what happened. I think that takes courage because they KNOW their daughter is responsible for what happened, especially after Jose Baez' opening arguments. I think George (and probably Cindy now) suspects that where ever Caylee was when they were told she was "with Zanny" means she was knocked out and in the trunk of the car.

And I still maintain that if they knew Caylee drowned in that pool they would have torn it down no matter how it looked for Casey. They would have never let it stand there for 3 years.

I just feel bad for all of them. Except ICA. I hope she gets the needle.

 

[Dr.Fessel]

Here George says Cindy says to bring gas with them because the car might be out of gas. Didn't he testify in court or his depo that the reason he brought gas was because he knew it was standard stuff to bring gas with you getting your car from a tow lot? Big long explanation.

Cindy says to bring gas..... about the 1:15 mark

http://www.wftv.com/video/18033964/index.html

 

[Woe.be.gone]

BBM

Do you think that George helped dispose of a dead child on the morning of the 16th and then went off to his job @ 2:30 as if nothing happened?

I do not think he is capable of that because he is such an emotional guy. Casey could do that, imo, but not George.

One problem here is that River told LE in her depo that GA had shared with her that Caylee's death was an accident that went out of control.

How would GA know that? Also for how long did GA know that? Upon knowing that, why didn't GA go directly to the police and tell them what he knew?

There's always another piece to the puzzle that complicates drawing a sound conclusion. Should we dismiss what River told the police?

 

[Leila]

I think that may be a fib because IIRC the As separated the Nov. after Caylee was born and their separation wasn't that long, it was a matter of months.

George filed for divorce on December 29, 2005 and the divorce was formally dismissed on November 28, 2007. But according to the divorce case file, it would appear that by Nov. 1, 2006 the divorce had been assigned "deactivated." So, I think George and Cindy were likely separated for a period of about 9 or10 months, reconciled, but didn't ask for the divorce to be dismissed for a year. It makes sense that they didn't immediately dismiss the divorce, giving it a year after they reconciled to see if they could work things out.

 

[pip]

One problem here is that River told LE in her depo that GA had shared with her that Caylee's death was an accident that went out of control.

How would GA know that? Also for how long did GA know that? Upon knowing that, why didn't GA go directly to the police and tell them what he knew?

There's always another piece to the puzzle that complicates drawing a sound conclusion. Should we dismiss what River told the police?

I have dismissed River altogether. She has zero credibility, imo.

 

[CourtsInSession]

Call to ICA cell from Anthony home phone @ 7:45 AM on June 16th. ICA checks VM immediately @ 7:45 as well.

If this is the case, who did ICA stay with the night of June 15? and was Caylee with her?