Is there any possibility of a Plea Deal on the Murder Charges?

[cyberborg]

cyberborg, you hit the nail on the head. *claps* Bravo!

They have absolutely NOTHING, no platform to stand on, no way to REALLY be able to dispute anything, much less everything. The prosecution has too much evidence and too many ways to make anything the defense says not only moot and laughable, but to make Casey look even guiltier instead of more innocent without a doubt instead of there being a shred of any reasonable doubt. There is no way the defense can reasonably expect to be able to defend her in court. Everything will be shot down or made to look like the diversion tactics of a desperate defense that it is. This is why I can't see them wanting to go into an actual courtroom, unless they have a miracle or two up their sleeves that we just don't know yet (and I highly doubt that).

As much I'd like to see this going into court like I'd have to watch a train wreck, the worst thing they can possible do is bring this to trial if they have any hope of saving Casey's life or even not getting LWOP for her.

..... and when you add to the above those visuals from the "What visuals might the State use to present evidence to the Jurors?" thread together with the 31 days never reporting and Caylee's cutesy pie photo.

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Rut roh! Plea?

 

[Gma Kat]

After the plea deal in the fraud/check cashing case, I wouldn't discount the possibility of a plea deal; however, I voted no - I don't think she'll take one. I am on the fence as to whether the KC we have come to know (ice cold, far from reality) has started to realize that she is going to be held responsible for what happened. I am in favor of a plea deal for the benefit of the "people" inasmuch as the expense of the trial will be oppressive. I personally have no problem with KC taking a plea to 40-50 years without the possibility of parole. She would be in her 70's and deeply institutionalized. Her parents adn possibly Lee would be dead by then. I worked for the CDC when in California we paroled the oldest living inmate (female, Isa May, she was over 100 if I recall correctly) she had been in the institution most of her life and was terrified of being paroled. She knew nothing else but prison life and knew no one on the outside. THAT is a situation I can live with if KC doesn't get the DP. BTW, Isa was a delightful woman who was fully rehabilitated.

 

[strawberry]

I would hope that any plea agreement would involve requiring her to come clean about what exactly happened and not be able to claim accident. But who could believe her anyway? So maybe the State won't bother to offer one...I really want to see a trial. Plus I think G and C need to hear everything if there is a shred of hope for them to come out of their denial, real or feigned as it may be.

 

[notthatsmart]

I agree. They can file goofy motions and posture and complain all day long, but they're delaying an inevitable trial. When the trial gets there, they will not have much to work with. Joy Wray *sigh* will be dispatched by the SA with ease, and the Anthonys have lied so many times during actual LE interviews, they will have no credibility.

With no plea deal in the works, do you think that the Sa will treat GA and CA as hostile witnesses on the stand? Because you can't have it both ways. If you need Ga and Ca to prove that the smell of human decomp was in the car, then you need them to be credible. I thought they were on the states witness list no? My opinion is that there will be no plea deal and I base that on the defense confidence. Moo

 

[RainyGirl]

Me thinks the Defense doth protest too much.

They are posturing with the cries of KC being so unpopular and not being able to get a fair trial. They are positioning to prepare everyone for a plea deal although it won't happen anytime soon.

When I consider the mountain of evidence and testimony against KC and all the Defense seems to have is to attack the investigation plus methods and procedures -- the Defense are on shaky ground.

When I consider the lack of experts on the Defense side, there seems to be no action in terms of examining the forensic evidence, depos, schedules, plans, nothing tangible -- the Defense are on shaky ground.

When I consider not only the lack of a witness list but that the majority if not all of KC's friends tend to testify against her, her parents have said incriminating things and GA testified at GJ -- the Defense are on shaky ground.

When I consider those who could testify in favor of KC, her parents are not credible, the extended team have baggage (JW) and, there seems to be no witnesses in favor of KC or providing any alibi makes me think -- the Defense are on shaky ground.

When I consider all those who do support KC, can provide alibis, knew Caylee was missing, and so on -- it seems that none of them exist or can be found it makes me think -- the Defense are on shaky ground.

Is there any possibility of a Plea Deal on the Murder Charges?

Eventually -- Yes.

The Defense can do the impossible but miracles? There is so little to work with and so much against.

:clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap:

I hope EVERYONE reads this post!

 

[LambChop]

With no plea deal in the works, do you think that the Sa will treat GA and CA as hostile witnesses on the stand? Because you can't have it both ways. If you need Ga and Ca to prove that the smell of human decomp was in the car, then you need them to be credible. I thought they were on the states witness list no? My opinion is that there will be no plea deal and I base that on the defense confidence. Moo

They don't need GA or CA to testify but if they do it will just be yes or no questions I would think. I think also the less they give CA to say the better. CA'll talk, she cooperated in her depo. GA will answer also, I believe.

Defense confidence? Yeah, I know....it shows. JMO

 

[marspiter]

I still stand by the belief that there will not be a plea deal. This is to big of a potential cash cow for JB&co. I also think Casey's ego will get in the way of a plea deal as well. Do we all remember the note by Casey about not falling for any tricks to get her to plea?

As to the defenses confidence....well I think Cyberborg put it pretty clear.

To me if the defense was so confident in it's case this trial would already be underway or over. Jb would have requested a speedy trial well before the body was found. AL being a star attorney against the DP would have presented some sort of evidence that made the state rethink going for the DP. Instead all the defense has done is delay, and delay, and delay. AL has done nothing but present motions that are flawed and reaching (to put it lightly).

If the defense was so confident why didn't it produce evidence on Feb 1st to back up Todd's claims? Why do they need to wait for the 10% the FBI has if they are so confident with what they have right now? This isn't poker if you have a royal flush in this game you play it that way an "innocent" person doesn't have to spend an undo amount of time in jail. If the defense is so confident in their case and evidence they have done Casey a great disservice in their defense of her imho.

To me if the defense is so confident and has evidence to back up this confidence and has not presented this evidence and has caused their client unnecessary incarceration. Well then Casey's constitutional rights have been infringed and not by the SA but her own attorneys and they should summarily disbarred or prosecuted for such.

 

[Soju]

With no plea deal in the works, do you think that the Sa will treat GA and CA as hostile witnesses on the stand? Because you can't have it both ways. If you need Ga and Ca to prove that the smell of human decomp was in the car, then you need them to be credible. I thought they were on the states witness list no? My opinion is that there will be no plea deal and I base that on the defense confidence. Moo

IMO treating them as hostile will be the only way to get the truth out of them and expose their previous lies.

 

[Kentjbkent]

IMO treating them as hostile will be the only way to get the truth out of them and expose their previous lies.

Just had to reply to tell you I agree with you.....








and CONGRATS, little mama!!! :woohoo:

 

[Marina2]

With no plea deal in the works, do you think that the Sa will treat GA and CA as hostile witnesses on the stand? Because you can't have it both ways. If you need Ga and Ca to prove that the smell of human decomp was in the car, then you need them to be credible. I thought they were on the states witness list no? My opinion is that there will be no plea deal and I base that on the defense confidence. Moo

I think it is inevitable that Ca and Ga wil be declared hostile witnesses.

If the prosecution were to ask Cindy about the smell in the car under direct examination they will have to say, "What did the car smell like to you?"

Of course, Cindy will say "Rotten pizza, have you ever smelled pizza that's been sitting in a hot trunk for like 19 days?"

As a hostile witness, they will be able to cross examine her and ask leading questions such as, "Isn't it true that you thought the car smelled like a dead body had been in it?"

They will get much more in front of the jury with Cindy and George declared hostile since that is what they will be when testifying.

 

[Kentjbkent]

With no plea deal in the works, do you think that the Sa will treat GA and CA as hostile witnesses on the stand? Because you can't have it both ways. If you need Ga and Ca to prove that the smell of human decomp was in the car, then you need them to be credible. I thought they were on the states witness list no? My opinion is that there will be no plea deal and I base that on the defense confidence. Moo

Can you expound on the underlined, bolded above? Just curious what actions taken by the defense shows they are "confident"?

I know some of the evidence (facts) that SA would make them confident...

What evidence (facts) does the defense have that deems them confident?

 

[cyberborg]

With no plea deal in the works, do you think that the Sa will treat GA and CA as hostile witnesses on the stand? Because you can't have it both ways. If you need Ga and Ca to prove that the smell of human decomp was in the car, then you need them to be credible. I thought they were on the states witness list no? My opinion is that there will be no plea deal and I base that on the defense confidence. Moo

Maybe you are right NTS. I had always thought that the Defense, at the end of the day, would put their client first and plea out rather than put KC and her family through the ordeal of a murder trial.

Maybe you are right that the Defense are extremely confident that this will be the trial of a century and they'd be foolish to plea out since this will be the making of them, together with their book deals, TV talking head jobs and, movie deal.

I think you are right that the Defense has every confidence that while KC is going down for LIFE, it will be a win for AL because she will beat the DP, it will be a win for JB because he gets to star on Geraldo and JVM, it will be a win for TM because he was not as well known nationally and, LKB gets her chance to tackle methods and procedures.

The Defense has every confidence that KC will not get the DP and this will be the making of them. KC and LIFE is a WIN for the Defense.

 

[lauriej]

With no plea deal in the works, do you think that the Sa will treat GA and CA as hostile witnesses on the stand? Because you can't have it both ways. If you need Ga and Ca to prove that the smell of human decomp was in the car, then you need them to be credible. I thought they were on the states witness list no? My opinion is that there will be no plea deal and I base that on the defense confidence. Moo

..i HOPE that there is no plea deal in the works-------kc was offered one back in sept 2008----refused ----caylee found in december---death penalty back on!

..i doubt that SA needs cindy and/or george to "prove" decomp smell in the car. LE took the car on the 16th, i'm pretty sure it still REEKED of decomp then--------LE will be very credible witnesses to attest to that.

..hostile or not------i don't think the state needs them at all, once they play kc's interviews with melich.....the jail visits.....the non-911 call ....done deal.

..putting (hostile) CA and GA on the stand will be perjury on the cake.

 

[notthatsmart]

Can you expound on the underlined, bolded above? Just curious what actions taken by the defense shows they are "confident"?

I know some of the evidence (facts) that SA would make them confident...

What evidence (facts) does the defense have that deems them confident?

I think this fits into the plea topic. Yes, the evidence in the trunk has not really panned out for the Le. I do not think they will be able to prove Caylee was in the trunk. I base that on whats not there. As Dr Vass said it was not consistent with the child in the trunk in Montana. There should have been much more there.

No fibers at the crime scene matched up with anything in the car.
No finger prints.

To me it was Jb taking Hl into examine the car. That to me was a huge risk. Hl found more hairs and that lead to the garage finding even more hairs. Those potentially could have had the death band on them, but they didn't. Jb knew Caylee was never in that trunk and thats why he let Hl examine it.

Second big one to me was Jb saying to Kb she wasn't there, your in la la land. That starts to knock out the accident theory.

Third was Jb recently saying no chance for a plea, this is going to trial.

Jb is playing dumb, and it is an act. AL is playing scared (witch trials) and it is an act. They are sandbagging. When they get a chance to make their case at trial, it is going to be volley fire. We haven't even discussed Le mistakes.

That is my opinion. This week the two sides are to sit down and exchange discovery. The Sa may find out with proof that the body wasn't there in August. Hence the deadline. Moo They are confident, silence is golden.

 

[Bittiness39]

I can't imagine that after all of the time that has expired that there will be a plea deal. I could be wrong...it just seems like the defense would have secured such a deal a while ago. It appears the only reason the defense waited until the last minute with the check fraud case was to secure a judgment from Strickland...rather than take the 5 year plea deal from the SA...the defense waited until the day of the check fraud trial to accept the punishment that Strickland rendered.

Anything is possible though...plea or no plea...

 

[Turnadot]

I think this fits into the plea topic. Yes, the evidence in the trunk has not really panned out for the Le. I do not think they will be able to prove Caylee was in the trunk. I base that on whats not there. As Dr Vass said it was not consistent with the child in the trunk in Montana. There should have been much more there.

No fibers at the crime scene matched up with anything in the car.
No finger prints.

To me it was Jb taking Hl into examine the car. That to me was a huge risk. Hl found more hairs and that lead to the garage finding even more hairs. Those potentially could have had the death band on them, but they didn't. Jb knew Caylee was never in that trunk and thats why he let Hl examine it.

Second big one to me was Jb saying to Kb she wasn't there, your in la la land. That starts to knock out the accident theory.

Third was Jb recently saying no chance for a plea, this is going to trial.

Jb is playing dumb, and it is an act. AL is playing scared (witch trials) and it is an act. They are sandbagging. When they get a chance to make their case at trial, it is going to be volley fire. We haven't even discussed Le mistakes.

That is my opinion. This week the two sides are to sit down and exchange discovery. The Sa may find out with proof that the body wasn't there in August. Hence the deadline. Moo They are confident, silence is golden.

BBM

What's he supposed to say? "Yes, I will plea her out at the eleventh hour, until then, we'll just keep wasting tax dollars."

?

Of course he's going to claim there will be no plea; it's most likely just usual rhetoric defense attorneys do, in my opinion. Also, in my opinion, Baez's "dumb act" isn't an act. It's my opinion he's in over his head.

As for the defense's supposed confidence, I don't see confidence in the defense at all, but I see lots of blustering from Baez in an attempt to give the appearance of confidence to the public, especially the media.

 

[Amil]

I don't think there will be a plea deal but I do think she will plead guilty before the trial begins. I don't think she will take her chances before a jury realizing that the death penalty is very likely.

 

[ZsaZsa]

I think this fits into the plea topic. Yes, the evidence in the trunk has not really panned out for the Le. I do not think they will be able to prove Caylee was in the trunk. I base that on whats not there. As Dr Vass said it was not consistent with the child in the trunk in Montana. There should have been much more there.

No fibers at the crime scene matched up with anything in the car.
No finger prints.

To me it was Jb taking Hl into examine the car. That to me was a huge risk. Hl found more hairs and that lead to the garage finding even more hairs. Those potentially could have had the death band on them, but they didn't. Jb knew Caylee was never in that trunk and thats why he let Hl examine it.

Second big one to me was Jb saying to Kb she wasn't there, your in la la land. That starts to knock out the accident theory.

Third was Jb recently saying no chance for a plea, this is going to trial.

Jb is playing dumb, and it is an act. AL is playing scared (witch trials) and it is an act. They are sandbagging. When they get a chance to make their case at trial, it is going to be volley fire. We haven't even discussed Le mistakes.

That is my opinion. This week the two sides are to sit down and exchange discovery. The Sa may find out with proof that the body wasn't there in August. Hence the deadline. Moo They are confident, silence is golden.

I don't think it's possible for JB to 'play dumb' he is that naturally. How many years did it take for him to be admitted to the bar?

 

[LandAuxvasse]

That is my opinion. This week the two sides are to sit down and exchange discovery. The Sa may find out with proof that the body wasn't there in August. Hence the deadline. Moo They are confident, silence is golden.

Respectfully snipped... if this is true, then I look forward to finally hearing about it... geesh... she has sat in jail an awful long time for her attorneys to finally speak the proof! Bring it on, PLEASE!! If the defense really thinks the state has made a mistake, let's see/hear the proof so we can ALL move on! It's very hard to maintain a wait and see attitude when they say they have proof but we're not going to see it until trial, but wait, we can't have the trial yet... I would love to see Casey proved innocent because it really hurts to think a mother could hurt her own child ever!!

 

[logicalgirl]

I don't think there will be a plea deal but I do think she will plead guilty before the trial begins. I don't think she will take her chances before a jury realizing that the death penalty is very likely.

I agree this is likely, but isn't that a plea?