Is there any possibility of a Plea Deal on the Murder Charges?

[Leila]

In the beginning there was some sort of offer by the state for a plea deal that had a deadline attached. The state was open to reaching some sort of plea deal with the defense, but within a specific time frame, which I remember as sometime in August 2008

The deadline came and went and when a reporter asked JB about it he said something along the line of "my client is innocent and I'm not even going to dignify that offer with an acknowledgment."

From the beginning I've felt that JB intended to take this case to trial for the very selfish reason of promoting himself. I strongly doubt he was honest with Casey about her options. I think he instilled in her the belief that she will be acquitted.

I also think AL probably gave Casey a more realistic analysis of the likely outcome of a trial.

I doubt Casey would ever change her plea to guilty, and even if she were considering it, I think JB would persuade her that it's in her best interests to go to trial.

I think this case will go to trial, and when Casey is convicted, JB will blame it on media attention. Of course he will never acknowledge that it was he that argued against having a gag order, and that he took advantage of the media for his own self promotion.

 

[Themis]

I think a plea is the only way Casey will be able to keep her "life". If Mason is as smart as he is supposed to be he will try to run up the bill to the point that public/political pressure will force the plea from prosecutors. I think she deserves the needle.

The cost of a trial will not force prosecutors to deal. Political pressure attempting to bend prosecutorial discretion is a crime in some states. That's why you do NOT see politicians calling the prosecuting attorneys and attempting to influence prosecution decisions and efforts.

 

[nyvictoria]

There is some speculation on another thread about a possible plea deal in the works.

IMO Casey will never admit any guilt unless and until she's faced with death. Maybe not even then. She's settled nicely into the OC jail, happily writing her manic little notes and getting her monthly dose of "mommy still loves you...wear the ruffles" from Cindy. So what if there's an occasional roach-infested meal tray? She's quite content to sit in her dorm, studying the law so she can help her guys with the big case. She even has a field trip coming up. She'll visit another community college for jury selection. Good times :sick:

 

[The World According]

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Casey is in denial believing she can beat this, and absent that she surely believes she has a litany of appeal issues. Does Cheney Mason and now even Baez want her to plead guilty? Of course. Will she? No. MOO

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They must explore every option and present it to her. So, yes, there are discussions going on, but ultimately it is her decision, right up to the end of the hallway. In lockdown for 24 hours a day for all this time now, her thoughts are tough to measure. Her perception of the circumstances I imagine to be very far removed from reality or sanity. I get cabin fever with the flu if I am trapped inside for three days!!!! I cannot imagine that isolation. She wont be thinking, not that she ever did, like a normal healthy (mentally and emotionally) person would. The only glimpse we have of her thought process is her letters, that were bizzare and delusional , to say the least. In the words of Mark Nejame, "I am being overly generous in my characterization".

I believe she gets to watch one hour of TV a week, she can listen to the raido and read though. So, she has heard of the recent events in the media and through the guards. I do no agree with her not being at these status hearings. She needs to see and face this runaway train as much as possible. I wonder if mom is writing her letters asking her to fire Jose and Cheney. I don't think pop could care less anymore. Outside of the infrequent visitor from one of her lawyers......who knows who if anyone has any influence over her now. She is alone in that tiny jail cell with her thoughts 23 hours a day. Where that leads us only God knows.

 

[Searchfortruth]

I have thought, for a long time, that this case would end with a plea deal. The question is, what (if anything) will the state offer her ? I can't imagine them offering anything less than LWOP. So much time and money has been invested in this murder case and personally, I think the state is fed up. The world is watching and many are invested in seeing real justice for Caylee through a trial.

On the other hand, I can't see Casey accepting any plea agreement. I wouldn't be surprised if a great many of her ex lawyers have tried to convince her to plea (except for Baez). That would explain many of the defense lawyers walking away from the case. I wouldn't even be surprised if Cheney has broached the subject. Baez owes his client an honest appraisal about her chances of winning this trial, for some reason I doubt he has done this.

Casey listens to what she wants to hear (Baez is happy to oblige her). Baez wants to ride this gravy train to the end, and is not (and has not) acted in the best interest of his client.

 

[drip~drop]

I just hope we don't get to May and they plea out.

Can they do that at such a late date?

If I were in charge (LOL) I'd make them finish what was started 2-3 years ago..:ufo:

Oh oh oh and they could recuse HHJBP ONLY if he was replaced by Judge Judy.:great:

 

[cloud9]

JMO, but I doubt the state would agree to a plea deal. And JMO, but I don't want that. I want ICA to sit through a whole trial, photos and all.

 

[Kentjbkent]

I have thought, for a long time, that this case would end with a plea deal. The question is, what (if anything) will the state offer her ? I can't imagine them offering anything less than LWOP. So much time and money has been invested in this murder case and personally, I think the state is fed up. The world is watching and many are invested in seeing real justice for Caylee through a trial.

On the other hand, I can't see Casey accepting any plea agreement. I wouldn't be surprised if a great many of her ex lawyers have tried to convince her to plea (except for Baez). That would explain many of the defense lawyers walking away from the case. I wouldn't even be surprised if Cheney has broached the subject. Baez owes his client an honest appraisal about her chances of winning this trial, for some reason I doubt he has done this.

Casey listens to what she wants to hear (Baez is happy to oblige her). Baez wants to ride this gravy train to the end, and is not (and has not) acted in the best interest of his client.

Thanks for bumping this thread! :seeya:

Have been very vocal on other threads that I am convinced that a plea announcement is forthcoming soon and agree with you.

I honestly believe that SA would not be willing for anything less than LWOP or worst case scenario being in excess of 60+ years.....

I think you are also right about KC not being willing to eve initiate plea talks in the past, but I think the tide has turned and it has a lot to do with Baez' change of attitude due to the strong hand of Mason and Perry at this point.

Mason no longer thinks this is "fun" (and is darn right scared of a smear on his record (future sanctioings and reprimands at the hand of Baez) while defending his new current high profile clients...

And HHJP is not playing around!

 

[Aedrys]

I'm starting to wonder if the defense's strategy is to just wear the SA out with shenanigans and such so that the SA will want to do a plea deal just to end this case. It's kind of my like stepdaughter asking the same question over and over to her aunt until the aunt gives in so she'll stop asking her the same question. It works on her aunt - it does not work on my husband or me, though. I wonder if the defense is hoping the SA and HHJP will just give in at some point, but I'm thinking both the SA and HHJP are more like my husband and me, and this strategy isn't going to work.

I have to admit, at times the defense's crap wears me out and I want this over. But darnit, I want Casey and her family, especially Cindy, have to sit through an entire trial and be thoroughly humiliated with the truth, that perfect family shattered for all to see.

 

[The World According]

The good news is in Florida, there is no parole for a life sentence, life means until she dies.
Despite how we would feel, she is not going to emote in a trial as we would. If you see tears when watching her, you will note they are tears for her, not the baby. She will be Scott Peterson flirting with Amber on the stand. Psychopath.IMO
Did Terry, Andrea, Jeanette, Anne all have very frank talks with her over these two years? Yes. Did it phase her? No.
Is Cheney Mason going to have very frank talks with her as he has with clients for forty years? Of course. If she decides to forge on, it wont be that no one ever explained to her the seriousness of her plight. Much like the writing of the checks in front of the bank cameras , it will be that she did it in spite of reality if she insists on the full blown trial and a loooooooong plea.
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This case is not the lawyer's life mission. As with the hundreds that came before it, and will come after it, the case will begin and end. It is a day at the office, insert name of defendant. Mason taking on other big cases illustrates that to a normal person. Casey maybe not so much. Alone in her cell for twenty three hours a day.........................

The state isn't offering up any lesser plea, because ...in three words....the duct tape. There is no innocent explaination for duct tape being affixed to the baby's face. [ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQXphNev6bE[/ame] NO accident theory would jive with duct tape. MOO

She doesn't think as we do. That is all we know for certain!!!
She befriended a stanger and admitted to her there was no Zenaida, this is a person she did not know from ADAM...so her thoughts and trusts are not at all easy to predict, not for me at least.
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She committed the cardinal sin, said Richard Hornsby, don't talk to anyone in jail about your case. She spent alot of time in her letters bashing her family, so she has no real attachments like you and I do, we cannot make guesses based on what we would do or feel, that is not the equation in front of us with Miss Anthony, the defendant.
The only instuctive thing for me has been to revisit the definition of sociopath to shed some light.[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8jOn2M1_T5s[/ame]
Dr. Dale Archer, "In my opinion she is a sociopath, that has become very very clear!!!"
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"There is a murder here and you do not see one ounce of sadness or depression on her face", Dr. Archer continued.
Mr. Miller gave us insight into how devoid of emotion she was. I was in that house for four days, he tells us, and never in all of that time did she even mention her daughter's name, once, she showed no interest in looking for her, whatsoever, she was happy and cooking and visiting and it seemed as if she were going to a cheerleading competition.

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so, yeah.......she does not think as we do. That has to be the juming off point if we are trying to guess if she will plead guilty.

 

[Aedrys]

The good news is in Florida, there is no parole for a life sentence, life means until she dies.

Oh I am so happy to hear that! Maybe that's why she's not pleaing for it.

 

[Kentjbkent]

I just hope we don't get to May and they plea out.

Can they do that at such a late date?

If I were in charge (LOL) I'd make them finish what was started 2-3 years ago..:ufo:

Oh oh oh and they could recuse HHJBP ONLY if he was replaced by Judge Judy.:great:

KC can plea at any time....now, during jury selection, on first day of trial, on last day of trial....

But I will be shocked if they have a tentative plea agreement working but wait until May(and many MORE deadlines) before presenting any agreement to the court.

 

[my_tee_mouse]

At this point in the game, if I were a resident of the State of Florida I would be outraged.

 

[Kentjbkent]

JMO, but I doubt the state would agree to a plea deal. And JMO, but I don't want that. I want ICA to sit through a whole trial, photos and all.

I disagree with that. While we all seem to be emotionally involved in this case, as do the prosecutors, the reality is they have a job to do for the State of Florida and it would be irresponsible of them to pass up the opportunity of a guaranteed conviction based on their personal, emotional connection to the case, disregarding the taxpayers of the state.

Posted a very good link in Sanctions thread last night concerning the decision of prosecutors, defense attorneys and judges in regards to considering plea agreements....

And now Lamar Lawson is apparently back involved? Prosecutors may also be receiving pressure from him, and he is, after all, their boss...

I think the majority of us would like to see this go to trial, see KC and the Anthonys squirm, but putting aside our emotional attachments, is it risky to want to be a spectator in the Circus Trial of the Century, while a possible acquittal or reversal on appeal is on the line??? :waitasec:

 

[drip~drop]

At this point in the game, if I were a resident of the State of Florida I would be outraged.

I'm not a resident but I'm fairly outraged for the residents of Fl.
I have plenty of family there and they are not happy with the goings-on.
jmo.

 

[The World According]

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Tim Miller speaking about Casey

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[bocephus]

I think that Mason will talk Baez into trying a plea deal about a week before trial. And the state will decline it

Mason knows that this is going to be a slam dunk...he said so on an interview before he became co-counsel. Mason knows that this cannot go to trial...because we now know what the defense strategy is. To lie. Lie about how many experts they have that shows the body was moved after Casey's arrest....Lie about Casey being mother of the year....and don't forget, lie about the known facts in the case. The last 3 motions that the defense filed are replete with out and out lies about the facts. We know it, the prosecutors know it, and the defense knows it. Mason must lose sleep at night thinking about CA and GA on the stand being cross examined by JA. It is going to be a nightmare for the defense.

I was reading the thread "what is the defense strategy today, and we all agree on one thing....there is none. The defense will throw every motion at HHJP and know they will be denied.....kind of like taking up dead air space. They have to show that they are doing something.

I also think that the decision to try a plea deal will be made by Cindy...Once the reality hits her that she will have to account for her lies to the press and through depositions, she will tell Baez to offer the plea deal. This way Cindy becomes relevant again and maybe do some interviews claiming she had nothing to do with the deal and that she wanted to keep on fighting.

Although there is nothing, and I mean nothing, I would love to see is the SA ripping her apart on the stand.

Just my 2 cents

 

[affinity]

I disagree that KC is incapable of taking the plea. She is no doubt a stubborn person (understatement), but we saw her stand up during the check fraud case and "apologize"...indeed she even seemed "saddened" that she had harmed her "friend". So, obviously, she is indeed capable of agreeing that she is guilty. She has been happy in her cell for a variety of reasons, not the least of which is that she doesn't have to deal with CA and she has been able to get off the merry-go-round of stealing and lying and juggling "obligations"....in other words, jail has not been as difficult for her as one would guess. In reality, she probably feels much happier there than yelling with CA night after night. She is at last "grown up" and "independent" like the friends she had who broke away from their families (while she could not).
When JB or Cheney tells her she has to take the deal..she'll take it. She will get lots of formal education in prison (beginning with her GED, she has so much time to study now she'll probably wind up with a couple of degrees...Diane Downs did). KC will wind up like the Manson girls--her long silky hair will turn kinky gray in the clink. I predict CA will finally understand that KC wants nothing ever to do with her and she'll move to another state. It's not the dramatic finish we'd like...but KC likes jail better than dealing with CA....that's the biggest reason that she'll opt to "stay" imprisoned.

 

[Solace]

I disagree that KC is incapable of taking the plea. She is no doubt a stubborn person (understatement), but we saw her stand up during the check fraud case and "apologize"...indeed she even seemed "saddened" that she had harmed her "friend". So, obviously, she is indeed capable of agreeing that she is guilty. She has been happy in her cell for a variety of reasons, not the least of which is that she doesn't have to deal with CA and she has been able to get off the merry-go-round of stealing and lying and juggling "obligations"....in other words, jail has not been as difficult for her as one would guess. In reality, she probably feels much happier there than yelling with CA night after night. She is at last "grown up" and "independent" like the friends she had who broke away from their families (while she could not).
When JB or Cheney tells her she has to take the deal..she'll take it. She will get lots of formal education in prison (beginning with her GED, she has so much time to study now she'll probably wind up with a couple of degrees...Diane Downs did). KC will wind up like the Manson girls--her long silky hair will turn kinky gray in the clink. I predict CA will finally understand that KC wants nothing ever to do with her and she'll move to another state. It's not the dramatic finish we'd like...but KC likes jail better than dealing with CA....that's the biggest reason that she'll opt to "stay" imprisoned.

I don't think so. Firstly, why should she take a deal when it will be necessary for her to admit guilt, which will give her an automatic LIFE sentence. And life means life in Florida.

Her chances of being sent to death are fairly slim, imo. She is too pretty, too tiny, too young; they won't do it here.

I realize this may tick some off, but it is just my opinion and I think she has a very good chance of LWOP in this case.

It is Florida, not Texas and as horrendous as the case is, KC has a very good chance of sympthathy when the defense starts talking about her dysfunctional family.

She won't plea. She doesn't need to. IMO

Also, she is a sociopath who is a narcicisst (sp?) and she does not want to get up there and tell the world what she did to a 3 year old and then go to prison and wait for the backlash.

 

[Solace]

I think that Mason will talk Baez into trying a plea deal about a week before trial. And the state will decline it

Mason knows that this is going to be a slam dunk...he said so on an interview before he became co-counsel. Mason knows that this cannot go to trial...because we now know what the defense strategy is. To lie. Lie about how many experts they have that shows the body was moved after Casey's arrest....Lie about Casey being mother of the year....and don't forget, lie about the known facts in the case. The last 3 motions that the defense filed are replete with out and out lies about the facts. We know it, the prosecutors know it, and the defense knows it. Mason must lose sleep at night thinking about CA and GA on the stand being cross examined by JA. It is going to be a nightmare for the defense.

I was reading the thread "what is the defense strategy today, and we all agree on one thing....there is none. The defense will throw every motion at HHJP and know they will be denied.....kind of like taking up dead air space. They have to show that they are doing something.

I also think that the decision to try a plea deal will be made by Cindy...Once the reality hits her that she will have to account for her lies to the press and through depositions, she will tell Baez to offer the plea deal. This way Cindy becomes relevant again and maybe do some interviews claiming she had nothing to do with the deal and that she wanted to keep on fighting.

Although there is nothing, and I mean nothing, I would love to see is the SA ripping her apart on the stand.

Just my 2 cents

Cindy has no say in this plea deal at all. None. KC barely acknowledges her in court.

And the state has no reason to go for a plea deal unless KC is willing to admit and say everything she did and how she did it and exactly how Caylee died. She won't do that. Sociopaths believe they are immune since you didn't see me, you can't prove it.