Is this case just an ugly domestic dispute between Terri and Kaine..??

[mchris1024]

Yeah I guess that tends to happen when you don't cooperate in finding your missing step son, fail a few polys, hire someone to off your hubby, and violate a court order. It seems she doesn't need much help in shining in the worst of light. JMO.

what happened to innocent until proven guilty??? I've said it before I failed a LDT when I was 19 the question was about drug usage (it was for a job at a pharmacy) I had never taken any type of drugs, never smoked any type of drug but it showed I was lying so from personal experience I know LDT test are not 100% reliable, what is she doing different in "the search" for Kyron then his other parents?? Why hasn't she been arrested for hiring a hit man?

 

[Emma Peel]

what happened to innocent until proven guilty??? I've said it before I failed a LDT when I was 19 the question was about drug usage (it was for a job at a pharmacy) I had never taken any type of drugs, never smoked any type of drug but it showed I was lying so from personal experience I know LDT test are not 100% reliable, what is she doing different in "the search" for Kyron then his other parents?? Why hasn't she been arrested for hiring a hit man?

BBM

The more freedom she has the more mistakes she can make. She's shown spectacularly poor judgment in the last month. It will all be used against her. LE might just be giving her rope.

 

[AlexisFresca]

I am sorry RR, I just don't agree.

She never carried through with the alleged murder plot. Kaine is very much alive and that supposed hit was to have happened 7 months before Kyron went missing.

And this man entered the picture after Kyron went missing.

So this is doing nothing to help find Kyron.

Now it is nothing but salacious tidbits about Kaine and Terri's personal relationships imo and nothing about finding Kyron.

Kyron is getting lost in all of this personal infighting between Terri and Kaine imo.

IMO

Do we know that? We know she approached someone, but that person may have been the one who didn't follow through, NOT Terri. The fact that she contacted a few landscapers about this leads me to believe she was hell bent on 'carrying through' this plot. It is also my understanding it was 7 months ago she started to look for a landscaper, it may have taken additional time to work her woo's before dropping the bomb she wanted her husband killed.

I don't see any 'fighting' taking place between Kaine and Terri. I see information about Terri as a person released, little by little. I see Terri keeping her mouth shut. But then I read about Terri trying to abduct her baby from a gym intentionally - by trying to find out what times Kaine is working out, etc. I read about Terri defying a sealed restraining order and being in contempt of court.

This has just as much to do with finding Kyron as it does putting his picture up and asking people to search for him, imo. It goes to her lack of character, morals and the fact that she has no regard for authority and thinks she can do whatever she darn well pleases. Its all about her, and nothing else.

 

[AlexisFresca]

what happened to innocent until proven guilty??? I've said it before I failed a LDT when I was 19 the question was about drug usage (it was for a job at a pharmacy) I had never taken any type of drugs, never smoked any type of drug but it showed I was lying so from personal experience I know LDT test are not 100% reliable, what is she doing different in "the search" for Kyron then his other parents?? Why hasn't she been arrested for hiring a hit man?

If it was revealed your significant other had tried to hire a hit man to kill you, you would instead stay in the residence, children and all, and say 'innocent until proven guilty'? This is asked seriously, not sarcastically, just so you know. I know if it was me and I found out my husband wanted me killed, you can bet I will be leaving dogde - and fast - without ever looking back!!

Speaking for myself, I don't base my opinions of Terri on just a lie detector test. I have been observing her behavior and actions and none of it fits.
Building a case takes time. Once you arrest someone the process gets rolling, so you better make sure you have all your i's dotted and your t's crossed/ That is why she hasn't been arrested yet.

 

[MD MOMMY]

what happened to innocent until proven guilty??? I've said it before I failed a LDT when I was 19 the question was about drug usage (it was for a job at a pharmacy) I had never taken any type of drugs, never smoked any type of drug but it showed I was lying so from personal experience I know LDT test are not 100% reliable, what is she doing different in "the search" for Kyron then his other parents?? Why hasn't she been arrested for hiring a hit man?

Never said she was "guilty" or "innocent" for that matter. What she is doing differently than the other parents is staying quiet as a church mouse. What she is doing differently is sexting and allowing her male "friend" to look at and photograph a sealed RO. My response was in regards to what light she is being portrayed in not innocence or guilt.

 

[Adalena935]

I think this case is more than a domestic dispute. Even if someone hid Kyron out it's still kidnapping of a minor child and he's on FBI kidnapped children web site so obviously they take it as more than a domestic dispute.

 

[x_files]

If it was revealed your significant other had tried to hire a hit man to kill you, you would instead stay in the residence, children and all, and say 'innocent until proven guilty'? This is asked seriously, not sarcastically, just so you know. I know if it was me and I found out my husband wanted me killed, you can bet I will be leaving dogde - and fast - without ever looking back!!

Speaking for myself, I don't base my opinions of Terri on just a lie detector test. I have been observing her behavior and actions and none of it fits.
Building a case takes time. Once you arrest someone the process gets rolling, so you better make sure you have all your i's dotted and your t's crossed/ That is why she hasn't been arrested yet.

The LE must have given Kaine proof beyond a doubt she tried seduce the lawn man into a "murder for hire plot" cell phone records etc (Why I do not know why she isn't under arrest) ...in order for him to believe it is true or the marriage was falling apart and some threats or violence had taken place already.
My case in point is that I could never believe a husband I loved would be capable of a murder for hire plot or was responsible for me child disappearing unless there was serious red flags prior, the LE couldn't convince me otherwise.
Why did Kaine readily believe she was capable? I'd like to know that answer.

 

[Boo Scout]

what happened to innocent until proven guilty??? I've said it before I failed a LDT when I was 19 the question was about drug usage (it was for a job at a pharmacy) I had never taken any type of drugs, never smoked any type of drug but it showed I was lying so from personal experience I know LDT test are not 100% reliable, what is she doing different in "the search" for Kyron then his other parents?? Why hasn't she been arrested for hiring a hit man?

Nothing has happened to innocent until proven guilty. I think it's important to make a distinction here - innocent until proven guilty applies in a court of law. There is nothing that says it applies to the court of public opinion, although we can all choose how we subscribe to it personally.

I think the distinction is important and goes to why LE is being so careful with what they've released about TH (very little). MOO is that they're building a very solid case AND trying to find Kyron before taking any other action against TH.

I believe that TH's actions are very different from KH, DY, and TY and that taken together, her actions are suspicious.

Now to the topic of this thread, I don't want to quibble but the title bothers me. This case is a missing persons case! Maybe it stems somehow from an ugly domestic dispute, but it's very important to always remember that Kyron is missing and needs to be found!

 

[Adalena935]

I think the reason it matters is - the off chance of how many men she has dangling willing to do illegal things for her. When it's on the news that there are two that have come forward, if there are others in the wings do they now come forward or do they still think they are the one rescuing her? Does (hopefully) someone know where Kyron is, and if they've been played they come forward now?

**readily admits, i have completely fallen off the fence - with my foot somewhat tangled thinking of "MAN, oh MAN he's good if he's behind it all, and got his friend involved with his wife to prove his point." But that's just because I don't like being wrong about my impressions of people**

Replying to your first paragraph I'm having the same thoughts. This is perhaps showing Terri's MO if you will.

 

[Adalena935]

Nothing has happened to innocent until proven guilty. I think it's important to make a distinction here - innocent until proven guilty applies in a court of law. There is nothing that says it applies to the court of public opinion, although we can all choose how we subscribe to it personally.

I think the distinction is important and goes to why LE is being so careful with what they've released about TH (very little). MOO is that they're building a very solid case AND trying to find Kyron before taking any other action against TH.

I believe that TH's actions are very different from KH, DY, and TY and that taken together, her actions are suspicious.

Now to the topic of this thread, I don't want to quibble but the title bothers me. This case is a missing persons case! Maybe it stems somehow from an ugly domestic dispute, but it's very important to always remember that Kyron is missing and needs to be found!

You're right and thank you. Here's some explanation of the concept.

http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Innocent+until+proven+guilty

A principle that requires the government to prove the guilt of a criminal defendant and relieves the defendant of any burden to prove his or her innocence.

 

[suzet]

Is this case just an ugly domestic dispute between Terri and Kaine...?

Absolutely not. If it was, it would begin and end in divorce court. No, this criminal case is about a missing, possibly murdered, child.

 

[crystalgenie]

My responses are in red...

All the stuff mentioned in the presser about TH, IS about getting Kyron back because they think she knows where he is, so it's related.
Kaine said he didn't want to discuss the MFH plan, because he wanted to talk about finding Kyron and bringing him home. That's the context of the "keeping the focus" comment.That is all good and fine but he has been discussing the MFH scheme ever since then... all the rest of this crap came out and the focus is off of Kyron and onto a nasty,bitter divorce.
Terri, in THEIR opinion, is the key to solving this case, so mentioning her in a bad light during pressers might not be too pleasant to hear for the fence sitters, or for people who don't think she had anything to do with Kyron's disappearance, but it does pertain to getting Kyron back in the minds of DY, KH, and apparently LE.

And I have to be honest, really, this is about what side people come down on in this case. I think those a little sympathetic to TH or don't think she's involved are the ones upset this is coming out about her. I get it, but to try and dismiss all of it as a distraction is mind boggling to me.
The reason I say it is distracting is not because I am on a fence. This is distracting because KYRON is still missing and this has nothing to do with bringing him home.
You don't think the domestic stuff and this woman TH acting out is showing you anything about her judgement, honesty, character, lack of impulse control, and vindictiveness?I mentioned in my post that the only thing this information being release would help is "state of mind".That is only when there is a homicide trial. Apparently we're not there yet. She's still walking around and there is still no KYRON!!! I think it's very much related to Kyron's disappearance.

I believe TMH has everything to do with Kyron being missing. I just remember all the info about Scott Peterson's affair and his double life came out before Lacey and the baby were found. It didn't cause him to confess or tell them where he dumped the bodies.

Casey Anthony's party pictures and all the rest of the gossip never found Caylee or garnered a confession.

All this being said during Scott's murder trial it showed state of mind and disassociation. Whenever Casey's murder trial gets started it will do the same. However, Caylee, Lacey and Lacey's baby have all been found and poor little Kyron is still out here somewhere.

Just because some of us question actions doesn't mean that we are even remotely on a fence...

The one thing we all want is Kyron found and returned home. Right now the "circus" isn't achieving that.[/COLOR]

 

[mchris1024]

I think the distinction is important and goes to why LE is being so careful with what they've released about TH (very little). MOO is that they're building a very solid case AND trying to find Kyron before taking any other action against TH.

I believe that TH's actions are very different from KH, DY, and TY and that taken together, her actions are suspicious.

Now to the topic of this thread, I don't want to quibble but the title bothers me. This case is a missing persons case! Maybe it stems somehow from an ugly domestic dispute, but it's very important to always remember that Kyron is missing and needs to be found!

I have seen other cases where LE goes after a suspect especially a family member and then the case goes unsolved...I think of JonBenet and the little baby in FL that went missing from her bed, LE focused so much on the parents that who ever REALLY did the crimes got away with it.

Her actions are suspicious how? She is being accused of horrible crimes and she's not going on a media blitz, what is suspicious about that? I am sure she feels like she is fighting for her life. Surely following the advice of an attorney.

The person who posted this thread has apoligized several times for the title of the thread....she didn't mean it in a bad way.

 

[Donjeta]

JMO but I don't think that bringing Kyron home is the only thing that Kaine has to worry about. It is a beautiful sentiment to put everything aside until he's been found but the other side of the coin is that Kyron may never be found and if there is a threatening ex he may not feel it's safe to delay dealing with her until the date in unforeseeable future that Kyron is found.

 

[Boo Scout]

I have seen other cases where LE goes after a suspect especially a family member and then the case goes unsolved...I think of JonBenet and the little baby in FL that went missing from her bed, LE focused so much on the parents that who ever REALLY did the crimes got away with it.

Her actions are suspicious how? She is being accused of horrible crimes and she's not going on a media blitz, what is suspicious about that? I am sure she feels like she is fighting for her life. Surely following the advice of an attorney.

The person who posted this thread has apoligized several times for the title of the thread....she didn't mean it in a bad way.

Sure, of course there are those cases. We don't really know exactly what LE's doing in this case. They have been very tight-lipped overall. From very little information I stated that it is MOO they are building a case against her. But they may certainly have more.

Again, moo, not portraying as fact, but my perception:
- I find some of TH's body language questionable.
- Reported cell phone pings
- Something about her whereabouts on June 4 not adding up...not just based on polygraph - also appears to be based on other records
- Latest information regarding some kind of relationship with friend of KH's from high school

I could compile more of a list but absolutely need to get going now. It's important to note, that I think if you take her actions collectively, they appear suspicious to me. But I have 2 theories circling in my head right now - one with TH involved and one with her not per se.

Not picking on the person who started the thread and read the note in the first post...just sharing that even if stems from a bad domestic dispute, it is a missing persons case.

 

[cluciano63]

If Terri is involved, it seems it is all of the above, plus either a murder or a kidnapping. I pretty much thought she might be an innocent, unlucky person who was handling this crisis in a guilty-looking way, until the possible murder-for-hire came out. If that is true, it clearly puts her in a more suspicious light, just because it involves criminal/felonious inclinations.

 

[TopTop]

Unfortunately it seems to have become one huge, ugly domestic dispute.

It's almost as if Kyron has been forgotten.

If you ask me KH and DY should have tried to maintain all focus on Kyron and off Terri. Also, as they believe that Terri holds the key to finding Kyron I don't know that the public can really help at this point. By getting all this info out in the public it has probably freaked Terri out and will cause her to shut her trap forever. MOO.

 

[TxLady2]

Do we know that? We know she approached someone, but that person may have been the one who didn't follow through, NOT Terri. The fact that she contacted a few landscapers about this leads me to believe she was hell bent on 'carrying through' this plot. It is also my understanding it was 7 months ago she started to look for a landscaper, it may have taken additional time to work her woo's before dropping the bomb she wanted her husband killed.

I don't see any 'fighting' taking place between Kaine and Terri. I see information about Terri as a person released, little by little. I see Terri keeping her mouth shut. But then I read about Terri trying to abduct her baby from a gym intentionally - by trying to find out what times Kaine is working out, etc. I read about Terri defying a sealed restraining order and being in contempt of court.

This has just as much to do with finding Kyron as it does putting his picture up and asking people to search for him, imo. It goes to her lack of character, morals and the fact that she has no regard for authority and thinks she can do whatever she darn well pleases. Its all about her, and nothing else.

I kind of had to laugh a little, reading the part I bolded. I thought most landscapers were hired to landscape... mowing, cutting weeds, planting flowers, etc. I didn't know they all had a sideline as a hit man.
Sorry, that's just what I got when reading that part. No offense.

But I'm still not convinced that this was not all just a misunderstanding or maybe even made up by the landscaper/hitman himself. Why didn't he report this when it happened? Waiting 7 months to bring it up just seems kind of...... contrived. Like, "Oh yeah... about this redheaded gal... you know, she told me she wanted me to off her hubby. I didn't do it, but I sure coulda used the money!!"

Approaching a guy who mows your yard, who you barely know, to kill your husband for you?? Seriously?? If it is true... she's got a few screws loose. Not that the landscaper is wired real tight, either.

Geeeeez... how much weirder can this get?

 

[Snowball58]

We know TH loved CSI and other things in that genre. Perhaps her craigslist ad for a landscaper was riddled with code (think overactive imagination) then, to her chagrin, plain 'ole landscapers kept showing up to mow the lawn...

 

[Snowball58]

ETA - oops, double post...