• #661
Canada, as a NATO country, has an obligation under Article 5 to consider an armed attack against one member state to be an armed attack against them all. There is no armed attack against the US and Iran is not a NATO country.

The US seems to be looking for the "weapon of mass destruction" in Iran, In My Opinion. In 2003, the US was looking for the "weapon of mass destruction" in Iraq. Canada's role in Iraq was peacekeeping/policing/training. Carney has said that Canada supports the United States acting to prevent Iran from obtaining nuclear weapons and to prevent its regime from further threatening international peace and security.

Again, in my opinion, until there is evidence that Israel and the US are taking specific actions to prevent development of nuclear weapons, Canada will stay out of it. Even if and when there is evidence of actions to prevent development of nuclear weapons, I don't see any role for Canadians in peacekeepers and training roles.

In my opinion, Canada is safe, and removed, from aggression by the US and Israel against Iran and Shia Muslims.
The action is against the Iranian Regime, not Shia Muslims in general. Many Shia are supporting the overthrow of the regime.
 
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When did he say it would last for days?

I know you are great with links, and I couldn't find anything from Trump saying that.

I thought it was only in the last 24 hours or so that he has said 4 weeks.

TIA
He said 4 weeks, or put another way, 2 healthcare plans.
 
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I believed that, even 3-5 years ago. Now seeing the state of the military, with all of the firings of Generals and appointments of people with very little military experience and who is leading it, I honestly do not think they do anymore. All MOO.

Edit: I’m saying this as someone whose father served in the Air Force for over 20 years and pretty much my entire childhood. I grew up on bases and have full respect for our troops. But I have seen a huge shift in our military leadership in the last 12ish months and not in a positive way.
Do you know how many Generals and Admirals Obama fired?
 
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When did he say it would last for days?

I know you are great with links, and I couldn't find anything from Trump saying that.

I thought it was only in the last 24 hours or so that he has said 4 weeks.

TIA
I edited the original comment. I don't have time now to look for links to Saturday live BBC news. Will look for it ...
 
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He said 4 weeks, or put another way, 2 healthcare plans.
Why are you trying to get the thread shut down? My politics would probably surprise a lot of people on here, but I’m able to stay away from it.
 
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Caine says cyberattacks were used to ‘disrupt, disorient and confuse’ Iran

Cyberattacks knocked out Iran’s key systems ahead of U.S and Israeli strikes,
according to Joint Chiefs of Staff Chairman Air Force Gen. Dan Caine.

U.S. cyber operations were used to “disrupt, disorient and confuse” Iranian forces at the start of the operation, Caine said.

Disruptions to its communications systems reduced Iran’s ability to assess the attack and to coordinate its response, Caine told reporters at a Monday briefing.

 
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Being in charge and doing the actual mission planning are realms apart from each other.

The planners have been working their butts off for over a month; I can assure you (from direct experience) that those pros who do this for an actual living know exactly what they are doing. That's their jobs and they do that job regardless of who happens to be at the helm as the figurehead at the time.

From Trump’s in charge place the missions are planned. Trump made these plans with Israel.

Trump is calling the shots; the Armed Forces are obeying, imo:


...
In the meeting, Trump said he would support a renewed Israeli military effort to take out missile sites.

...

A few days later, massive street protests erupted inside Iran, prompting a deadly crackdown that saw the regime kill thousands of protesters. Trump vowed to come to the protesters’ aid, claiming the US was “locked and loaded.”

That is when planning for a joint American-Israeli operation shifted into a higher gear.



The same applied to a February 11 meeting between Trump and Netanyahu in Washington, which was moved up by a week as the prime minister worked urgently to ensure the president remained committed to carrying out an attack.



all imo
 
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Do you know how many Generals and Admirals Obama fired?
Obama hasn’t been the president for almost 10 years. The Trump administration bombed Iran 3 days ago. I will never understand the constant need to bring up Obama, Biden, Hilary, Jimmy Carter every time there’s a discussion about current events happening under the Trump administration. All MOO.
 
  • #670
i have no military background, but if it's anything like civilian government, all the mid- and low-level decisionmaking is done by apolitical career professionals. and even though the upper management are political appointees, the policies they actually implement tend to have much more continuity from one administration to the next than people outside the government imagine. ... it's also true that, from the PoV of people at the top, the executive branch has a surprising amount of inertia affecting how and when and whether it does as it's told.

that said, the high level decisions, such as whether to start a war, and the broad strokes within that, are made by the president and his appointees.
 
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I edited the original comment. I don't have time now to look for links to Saturday live BBC news.
Is this the quote you were thinking of?

“I can go long and take over the whole thing, or end it in two or three days and tell the Iranians, ’See you again in a few years if you start rebuilding [your nuclear and missile programs],’” the president said. “In any case, it will take them several years to recover from this attack.”

 
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I edited the original comment. I don't have time now to look for links to Saturday live BBC news.
Ok thanks! I have heard commentary saying a few days, but I do not recall that Trump himself said that. Searching and even asking AI to search for me, I couldn't come up with anything from him.
 
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Ah, that 4D chess we've been hearing about ⛳🏌️‍♀️
I actually don't think Trump is a chess player or even much of an intellectual, for that matter.
I DO think he has strong leadership qualities, including decision-making skills.

Israelis are the true chessmasters in the Middle East. I think POTUS recognizes that Bibi understands the complexities of that region better than he ever could, although he would never, ever, ever in a million years admit to that fact.

Re: this particular effort, it appears to me as if Israel is the brains and the US is the brawn, which is not to say that Israel is weak or the US is stupid, just that in terms of roles, that's how they seem to have delineated tasks in this specific situ.

Israel appears to be responsible for conducting strategic strikes to take out key leadership, and the US is taking on more heavyweight, large-scale destruction of the regime's overall infrastructure.

JMO.
 
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Obama hasn’t been the president for almost 10 years. The Trump administration bombed Iran 3 days ago. I will never understand the constant need to bring up Obama, Biden, Hilary, Jimmy Carter every time there’s a discussion about current events happening under the Trump administration. All MOO.
I raised it because you had commented on Trump firing Generals. I merely pointed out that Obama had fired far more. Thus, Trumps actions were not out of the ordinary.
 
  • #675
Do you genuinely believe the military suddenly becomes ineffective depending on who the defense secretary is?
Yes
He cut 20% of 4 star generals
A purge of over a dozen top leaders including the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs, the vice chief head of Global strike command and the Air Force Special ops command as an example
I highly doubt he has any respect an it’s well known he had no experience
 
  • #676
Is this the quote you were thinking of?

“I can go long and take over the whole thing, or end it in two or three days and tell the Iranians, ’See you again in a few years if you start rebuilding [your nuclear and missile programs],’” the president said. “In any case, it will take them several years to recover from this attack.”

Thank you!!!

The U.S military is preparing for the possibility of a weeks-long operation on Iran, according to two U.S. officials who spoke to Reuters.

However, Trump told Axios that the timeline of a planned U.S.-Israeli bombing operation, which would last at least five days, could change, with one factor being whether or not Iran’s Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei was killed.
 
  • #677
Yes
He cut 20% of 4 star generals
A purge of over a dozen top leaders including the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs, the vice chief head of Global strike command and the Air Force Special ops command as an example
I highly doubt he has any respect an it’s well known he had no experience
The commanders on the ground are not appointed by the President.

Your point is completely undercut by the success of this operation.

You’re inadvertently making the argument that Trump is some sort of military genius, when again, this is being executed by career military leaders in theater.

He does not hand pick battlefield commanders. That’s not how it works at all.
 
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I raised it because you had commented on Trump firing Generals. I merely pointed out that Obama had fired far more. Thus, Trumps actions were not out of the ordinary.
I was more referring to the noted shift in firing Generals and replacing them with loyalists and/or others who had less bipartisan military experience vs just the actual number of Generals fired. Obviously every administration is free to fire who they want and hire new people but Trumps policies have been a direct shift in how the Pentagon has operated and I personally don’t see it as a positive thing. Again, MOO.




 

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