It's Christmas once again at Wal-Mart

[narlacat]

I deleted my post because I decided I will just keep on ignoring that....lol

That attitude stinks, I'm surprised he didn't put a lol in there like he usually does.

 

[windovervocalcords]

I deleted my post because I decided I will just keep on ignoring that....lol

That attitude stinks, I'm surprised he didn't put a lol in there like he usually does.

Good for you. Stay out of trouble.

 

[windovervocalcords]

It's people like you and Linas and other who have taken it beyond this, though, to where it has become Freedom FROM Religion instead of Freedom OF Religion, and even some Federal Judges have called these efforts "tiresome" because they are so far reaching. We have a right to express our beliefs in the public arena, but it's hard to sympathise with your point of view when some people like Linas cannot even stand to be told Merry Christmas or God Bless You. That's intolerance every bit as much as what believers are being accused of. Hide it all you want, but that attitide is very much intolerant. I, like others have said, am not offended when someone wishes me Happy Hannukah. That makes us far more tolerant of others beliefs, now doesn't it. Now, don't go around stealing the baby Jesus from our manger scenes or I'll have to smite ya! :slap:

"People like you"? I really know when someone starts with that phrase the whole statement is goin' south.

If Linask does not like you to wish her a Merry Christmas since she does not celebrate it why is it SO disturbing to you to wish her Happy Holidays?

You call people who prefer Happy Holidays as a greeting intolerant? You are confused about what intolerance means IMO.

What would satisfy you? Mandatory Merry Christmas greetings? Should we give those with some kind of salute too?

BTW I thought the Almighty had the exclusive "smite rights".

 

[Nova]

This is a fascist anti-semitic homophobic statement if ever I heard one. Are you not embarassed?

And we are supposed to support your Christmas spirit?

Thank you, wind. What I would have replied would have gotten me banned.

(ETA: but let me say this much: there is a difference between (a) protesting when your civil rights are denied and (b) whining that because you belong to a religion with an overwhelming majority in this country, you have to occasionally consider that others don't share your beliefs.)

 

[csds703]

This is a fascist anti-semitic homophobic statement if ever I heard one. Are you not embarassed?

And we are supposed to support your Christmas spirit?

THIS IS JUST PLAIN AND SIMPLE IGNORANCE.

 

[Details]

Thank you, though I was only half kidding. When I was being raised in a Christian church, we were taught our strength comes from our relationship with the Lord. Not that our faith depended on some greeter at a superstore.

Likewise - your faith isn't something you learn in school, or proclaim to get better treatment from a judge, and it's not something you shout all over about -

Matthew 6:5-6: "And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men....when thou prayest, enter into thy closet and when thou has shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret...."

 

[Nova]

Likewise - your faith isn't something you learn in school, or proclaim to get better treatment from a judge, and it's not something you shout all over about -

Matthew 6:5-6: "And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men....when thou prayest, enter into thy closet and when thou has shut thy door, pray to thy Father which is in secret...."

Exactly, Details. Gays should come out of the closet and Christians should go in! (Sorry. Couldn't resist, despite the brilliant eloquence of your statement.)

 

[Dark Knight]

I taught my children to be tolerant and respectful, too. But I don't think the elementary school is the place to be handing out religious items.

The point I was trying to make to DK- and I didn't do it very well- knowing the deep convictions that he has, how would he feel if his children brought home these items from school. I was trying to get him to see the other side of the coin, that's all.

All of this relates to a school district in Texas that thought they needed to ban green and red Christmas cookies a few years back.

I cannot imagine being offended if it was given to them by another classmate. If it was by the school, then yes, that bothers me (and that does happen, hypocritically.)

If it caused my kids to ask me about other faiths, that's not a bad thing, as they should be well informed.

 

[Dark Knight]

The Constitution doesn't grant you rights. It assumes that all of us have inaliable rights. Some specific ones that the framers thought to be highly important were spelled out. See the Ninth Amendment.

Freedom OF religion includes freedom FROM religion.

And to further this line of questioning, what rights do elementary-age children have?

I strongly disagree with your interpretation of the Constitution.

 

[Dark Knight]

There must be a way for everyone to coexist peacefully. I think it starts with people respecting each other's belief systems.

I respect your belief system, WOV.

People will coexist peacefully when they stop being too easily offended and "PC" about things.

 

[Dark Knight]

I believe in an America where the separation of church and state is absolute--where no Catholic prelate would tell the President (should he be Catholic) how to act, and no Protestant minister would tell his parishioners for whom to vote--where no church or church school is granted any public funds or political preference--and where no man is denied public office merely because his religion differs from the President who might appoint him or the people who might elect him.

I believe in an America that is officially neither Catholic, Protestant nor Jewish--where no public official either requests or accepts instructions on public policy from the Pope, the National Council of Churches or any other ecclesiastical source--where no religious body seeks to impose its will directly or indirectly upon the general populace or the public acts of its officials--and where religious liberty is so indivisible that an act against one church is treated as an act against all.

For while this year it may be a Catholic against whom the finger of suspicion is pointed, in other years it has been, and may someday be again, a Jew--or a Quaker--or a Unitarian--or a Baptist. It was Virginia's harassment of Baptist preachers, for example, that helped lead to Jefferson's statute of religious freedom. Today I may be the victim--but tomorrow it may be you--until the whole fabric of our harmonious society is ripped at a time of great national peril. Finally, I believe in an America where religious intolerance will someday end--where all men and all churches are treated as equal--where every man has the same right to attend or not attend the church of his choice--where there is no Catholic vote, no anti-Catholic vote, no bloc voting of any kind--and where Catholics, Protestants and Jews, at both the lay and pastoral level, will refrain from those attitudes of disdain and division which have so often marred their works in the past, and promote instead the American ideal of brotherhood.
http://www.beliefnet.com/story/40/story_4080_1.html

I notice people like yourself love to quote JFK as if he is the final authority on the subject. He was simply trying to get elected despite criticism that the Vatican would run the country via him. Criticism from other so-called Christians, no less, at times!

 

[Nova]

People will coexist peacefully when they stop being too easily offended and "PC" about things.

If the Founding Fathers had adopted this philosophy, we would still be a British colony. But I suppose that would suit you, once we overturned that little English Reformation nonsense.

 

[Dark Knight]

DK
You belong to the most intolerant religion/church in the Western world, and you have the gall to turn around and call someone else intolerant?
Hey Kettle, this is the pot-you're black

You're wrong, but no surprise there.

 

[Dark Knight]

If the Founding Fathers had adopted this philosophy, we would still be a British colony. But I suppose that would suit you, once we overturned that little English Reformation nonsense.

LOL! the Founding Fathers were simply trying to avoid having a Church of America like the Church of England, which was their whole point really. A point missed by many.

 

[csds703]

]I notice people like yourself[/b] love to quote JFK as if he is the final authority on the subject. He was simply trying to get elected despite criticism that the Vatican would run the country via him. Criticism from other so-called Christians, no less, at times!

What does "people like yourself" mean to you?
If you mean people who live their lives with tolerance and acceptance, then that would describe her.
You should really try it. Then you can truly call yourself a servant to the Lord.
Without that you are just being hypocritical.

 

[Dark Knight]

This is a fascist anti-semitic homophobic statement if ever I heard one. Are you not embarassed?

And we are supposed to support your Christmas spirit?

I turned what Nova said around and used other religions, etc, in place of Christianity and Islam, with the exact purpose of someone like you not noticing and calling it anti-semetic, homophobic, etc. Shouldn;t you have jumped on Nova's insult to Christians and Muslims before mine? No, you never would. You proved my point about your worldview. My statement was no more offensive than his was. The fact you think it was says everything. Thanks!

 

[Dark Knight]

What does "people like yourself" mean to you?
If you mean people who live their lives with tolerance and acceptance, then that would describe her.
You should really try it. Then you can truly call yourself a servant to the Lord.
Without that you are just being hypocritical.

Far-left liberals who are actually as intolerant as they claim others are. And I will let the Lord decide if I am a hypocrite or not, not you.

 

[Dark Knight]

I don't believe in ignoring that level of blatant intolerance. IMO that post reflects a hostility to gays, atheists and Jews that borders on hate speech.

yes because Nova calling Christians and Muslims whiney and referencing our being thrown to the lions doesn't constitute hate-speech, does it? The ones who were offended by that rather than Nova's so are the very ones who did. Thank ya very much!

 

[Dark Knight]

Thank you, wind. What I would have replied would have gotten me banned.

(ETA: but let me say this much: there is a difference between (a) protesting when your civil rights are denied and (b) whining that because you belong to a religion with an overwhelming majority in this country, you have to occasionally consider that others don't share your beliefs.)

You didn't like me saying the same thing about you that you did me? Awww. The get over the inferiority complex of being some "minority" and cursing us because we are some "overwhelming majority." Majority or minority doesn't excuse those comments or behavior. Calling us the whiniest on the plant was extemely insulting to me. No surprise when it's turned around it doesn't feel so good, eh.

 

[windovervocalcords]

yes because Nova calling Christians and Muslims whiney and referencing our being thrown to the lions doesn't constitute hate-speech, does it? The ones who were offended by that rather than Nova's so are the very ones who did. Thank ya very much!

Originally Posted by Dark Knight
Nope, it's the Jews and the Athiests who caused this anti-Christmas mess I just betcha, so they are the whiniest! And the gays, too! (Is this really a road you wanna go down?)


Originally Posted by Nova:

What the heck is wrong with Christians anyway? Whiniest crowd on the planet, with the possible exception of Muslims.

One would think Christians were still being fed to the lions, not just being asked to acknowledge that this is a diverse country with many different traditions and beliefs.

"The offense experienced by Christians at being confronted with a generic “Holiday Party” which doesn’t single out their religion for special treatment is analogous to the offense experienced by members of other religions at being confronted by a specific “Christmas Party” which singles out Christianity for special treatment above other religions (including their own).

Thus, a failure to treat Christianity and Christians as if they were special and better than others is offensive to Christians in a manner similar to how others are offended when they are treated as inferiors.
This is an example of people being self-absorbed, self-righteous, self-pitying, egotistical, and whiney.

Ralph Barker and like-minded Christians are offended when they aren't singled out for favoritism and when they aren’t told that their religion is special. They actually think that this is somehow similar to what others experience when they are singled out for inferior treatment."
http://atheism.about.com/b/a/223333.htm