James Bisset / Shannan Gilbert connection

[Micha07]

Exactly! and given this guys history it makes for a VERY sketchy POI indeed. I posted the links to a row of craigslist postings that match the backpage postings. The only links not provided were the backpage links which show his real address (backpage isn't anonymous like craigslist).

I believe this guy also met them often (he says he wants to meet steadily 2-3 times a week in most of the ads).So

you think he could be uploading to a site? I can check the keywords and see what I find.

There were reports the teacher was a debt collector for the mob on the Bullshido forum links. Does the mob in Long Island have a history of trafficking women? Also he claims to have taught police officers and swat, any way he could be operating independently but well connected?

IF genuine, a pay to view site, not a website as such as where's the gain in uploading to a free pornographic website? There are sites where people pay to view certain content (not just videos), on such sites people can also take part in auctions of taboo items like used panties, tights, shoes, sex toys, bondage gear and used condoms (another member alluded to this in a post regarding a recent conviction where semen was found and used in evidence), arrange meets, give and receive feedback etc. I doubt that if such recordings exist from your POI they won't be easy to find as it's possible they could be advertised in different locations.

Though personally, I think these ads scream time-waster. And I would bet that anyone else who has been involved in the adult industry for any length of time probably would too.


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[anxietykiller]

Plotmaster knows who LISK is. He knew before Leanne.

 

[anxietykiller]

Also, I agree with Micha that the posts from backpage aren't pertinent to this case, and seem like posts from a fantasist who has no intention of following through. I think they detract from the importance of the thread and may be derailing the subject of the thread.

 

[sleuther347]

Plotmaster knows who LISK is. He knew before Leanne.

LISK hasnt been caught

 

[sleuther347]

Also, I agree with Micha that the posts from backpage aren't pertinent to this case, and seem like posts from a fantasist who has no intention of following through. I think they detract from the importance of the thread and may be derailing the subject of the thread.

Well they could be if they are linked with posts from craigslist (these are). Also this s related to LISK as he is believed to have/ has attracted women from craigslist (Also known as the craigslist ripper in NY). We arent saying they are sufficient evidence to prove whoever wrote this is absolutely guilty based off his craigslist post, However any poi that seems sketchy is worth investigating. These ads arent random, they are connected with the email address associated found on this website http://www.aikijiujitsukungfu.com/jjj6cont.htm , which belongs to a group not far from Long Island (and Bissett Nursery). If simply type the keywords from the ads as I stated into google you can easily pull them up and connect the info yourself, but I already have and concluded someone from that school is making these post which is disturbing!

 

[sleuther347]

IF genuine, a pay to view site, not a website as such as where's the gain in uploading to a free pornographic website? There are sites where people pay to view certain content (not just videos), on such sites people can also take part in auctions of taboo items like used panties, tights, shoes, sex toys, bondage gear and used condoms (another member alluded to this in a post regarding a recent conviction where semen was found and used in evidence), arrange meets, give and receive feedback etc. I doubt that if such recordings exist from your POI they won't be easy to find as it's possible they could be advertised in different locations.

Though personally, I think these ads scream time-waster. And I would bet that anyone else who has been involved in the adult industry for any length of time probably would too.


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He specifically request NON-PROFESSIONAL women. He doesnt want a professional for whatever reason, but the sheer volume of these posts is alarming (atleast to me). Wouldn't be expecting a Kung Fu teacher to be ferociously scouting the net for desperate women to exploit

 

[anxietykiller]

LISK wouldn't post so much. He is much slicker than that. Besides, the wording doesn't seem like that of a serious client, just a spam.

 

[Micha07]

He specifically request NON-PROFESSIONAL women. He doesnt want a professional for whatever reason, but the sheer volume of these posts is alarming (atleast to me). Wouldn't be expecting a Kung Fu teacher to be ferociously scouting the net for desperate women to exploit

Taking money for favours is how you become a pro. It is exploitation of women, however you look at it, and that is what prostitution is.

Plus, what would a woman who wasn't looking to earn from their physical assets be doing reading such an advertisement?

Whoever the author of that advert is is in denial about paying women to let him exploit them. A lot of men who are uncomfortable with paying for it often try to rationalise it or deny that that is what they are doing.

Honestly, I'm not talking out of my backside here. I do know a thing or two about the adult entertainment industry. I was in it long enough!


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[sleuther347]

Taking money for favours is how you become a pro. It is exploitation of women, however you look at it, and that is what prostitution is.

Plus, what would a woman who wasn't looking to earn from their physical assets be doing reading such an advertisement?

Whoever the author of that advert is is in denial about paying women to let him exploit them. A lot of men who are uncomfortable with paying for it often try to rationalise it or deny that that is what they are doing.

Honestly, I'm not talking out of my backside here. I do know a thing or two about the adult entertainment industry. I was in it long enough!


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Oh sure sound like you do! LOL

 

[Micha07]

Oh sure sound like you do! LOL

What's so funny about being exploited? Sick.


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[sleuther347]

What's so funny about being exploited? Sick.


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Oh I thought you were making light of it, you didnt say how you were involved with the entertainment business. I assumed you had gone on your own volition as you say the woman who respond to this ad are doing. Did not mean to offend

 

[Micha07]

Oh I thought you were making light of it, you didnt say how you were involved with the entertainment business. I assumed you had gone on your own volition as you say the woman who respond to this ad are doing. Did not mean to offend

Thanks for explaining. Offence put aside.

It's a dark business, I can't make light of it. Women involved in prostitution are at great risk of harm, as we can see from some of the victims having been involved.

One line of thought on my end is that if someone who is easy to manipulate responds it is possible that the ads author's intent is to recruit/groom women to work for them or someone connected with them. But I still think these ads are by a time-waster. Im not saying they definitely are or are not, but I can only draw from my experiences during my time in le biz.

I know that someone who lives in Smithtown ran a prostitution ring, and (I feel that) he is probably still involved with pimping women.

I think it's more likely that the forum with the strongest links to the case is a private offshoot of UG, but I'd be interested in finding out if there's a crossover of members alias' between the two public forums!


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[Sinix]

You're peaking my interest here a bit sleuther. You linked the e-mail and those backpage posts to Jerry's school? This is another amazing addition in the annals of Sensei Jerry. Some things would start making sense regarding him having his high ranking members bank account information.

 

[sleuther347]

You're peaking my interest here a bit sleuther. You linked the e-mail and those backpage posts to Jerry's school? This is another amazing addition in the annals of Sensei Jerry. Some things would start making sense regarding him having his high ranking members bank account information.

Its probably more of an over the counter thing. Linking banking accounts is an awful amount of work for both parties, more likely he convinced his students to give him cash or items under a disguised pretext (Give me 50 dollars a week until you lose weight and ill give it back to you). The school has ads on groupon that advertise weightloss, that must be his "specialty" imo. This would also coincide with the poster (most likely JP since its his email) asking for a "slim" woman (that was the only physical requirement). I agree the evidence may elude to more sinister activity involving this Jerry. Very possible POI

 

[Vapor]

Sleuther.. what makes you think this sensei guy is connected with bisset? Just curious cause ive felt that jim and bob could have been rubbed out because of their ties to the suffolk KGB.. those are suspicious suicides.. especially the timing of jims.

 

[sleuther347]

LISK wouldn't post so much. He is much slicker than that. Besides, the wording doesn't seem like that of a serious client, just a spam.

I beg to differ. He sounds Extremely serious, and judging by the volume of adds (there are multiple being renewed daily) he is looking to bring in multiple girls and not just one. I do agree he is a liar, probably a very convincing one sometimes.

 

[sleuther347]

Sleuther.. what makes you think this sensei guy is connected with bisset? Just curious cause ive felt that jim and bob could have been rubbed out because of their ties to the suffolk KGB.. those are suspicious suicides.. especially the timing of jims.

Pretty sure google showed the teacher owned a construction business (Jeron)? Bissett is a go to place in Long Island for landscaping crews, not to mention the closeness. there's a chance he shopped there or knew him

 

[Sinix]

Pretty sure google showed the teacher owned a construction business (Jeron)? Bissett is a go to place in Long Island for landscaping crews, not to mention the closeness. there's a chance he shopped there or knew him

http://www.bullshido.net/forums/showthread.php?t=61288&page=26

I was a former student who joined when I was 14, one of his top students at the time (Bob Donato) Hired me to work for him as his apprentice in landscaping. He worked me like a dog bro and only paid me about 3 to 4 dollars an hour off the books. My first day on the job he handed me a ****** blunted axe and told me to chop out a ****ing thick tree stump, then rip out like 500 square feet of this like ****ing artificial dirt **** that was like some sort of nutrient enriched fabric that was like impossible to rip out. He didn't instruct me on how to do it or anything, he just told me that he expected it done by the time he came back from getting supplies or whatever the ****. I had no idea where he was going, and when the home owner saw me exhausted trying my hardest to get this ****ing stump out of the ground yo....He complained to Bob, and all of a sudden it was my fault.

That was a separate incident though, that was outside of class.

I was a student of Jerry's for about three years, about six years ago. I also worked with him, sometimes what I'd call full time, doing landscaping and masonry, sometimes other stuff, like waxing his yacht (called the "Dragon Dance," by the way... a very impressive ship, can be googled). My mom (herself a real badass), step-dad (NYPD), and little brother attended regularly, and my little sisters were in the children's classes (taught by Sensei Jerry's daughter).

 

[sleuther347]

http://www.bullshido.net/forums/showthread.php?t=61288&page=26

There it is. Good man

 

[Sinix]

I was apart of another small martial arts group. I visited Jerry's school once, the some of the rest of my school went multiple times. I never wrote anything on bullshido sites.

There's some good info on that site.

Haven't been able to find any good testimonial since 2010ish. But they've been active...