James Kolar's New Book Will Blow the Lid off the JonBenet Ramsey Investigation

[DeeDee249]

I've read nearly all the books on the case, including ST's, PMPT and Kolar's. They are all RDI but each puts a different perspective on it. And of course, ST is a PDI while Kolar infers BDI. Schiller points to no specific R. Kolar gave us a few previously unknown tidbits (like the feces in the candy box) but as they say- "close, but no cigar".
And I would bet anything that feces was not tested to see who it belonged to.
Odd that no one else in the house who looked for her noticed the stench of feces in the room.

 

[UKGuy]

In my experience, little boys always think "bigger is better" ....a boy would choose a giant spoon over a normal sized soup spoon, or a tea spoon that, had it been Patsy, would have selected for JonBenet. IMO

Linda7NJ,
Yes I agree, spoons are spoons to children small or large. If they are bigger than their mouth surely they could be serving spoons?

Reminds me off the size-12's, just who in that household would consider size-12's an acceptable change of underwear?




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[gramcracker]

this is OT but I don't know where to put it and I'm not getting many chances lately. is the site acting up for anyone else? I can't navigate more than one page without it freezing and the scrolling is jerky/not smooth. it usually freezes when I try to preview a post and I have to ctrl/alt/delete to close the browser and start over and even reboot and get the same action. bad like this for the past week, nearly impossible today. this is the only site where I have problems. I did a full scan and I clear the cache umpteen times a day. whassup? TIA

 

[tezi]

While the "Ramsey version of events" is most often false, imo, it is also quite revealing.

RBBM: Indeed Chelly, indeed.

JMO

 

[SapphireSteel]

this is OT but I don't know where to put it and I'm not getting many chances lately. is the site acting up for anyone else? I can't navigate more than one page without it freezing and the scrolling is jerky/not smooth. it usually freezes when I try to preview a post and I have to ctrl/alt/delete to close the browser and start over and even reboot and get the same action. bad like this for the past week, nearly impossible today. this is the only site where I have problems. I did a full scan and I clear the cache umpteen times a day. whassup? TIA

I've been having problems on and off too.

I just open a new session on a fresh tab. Works for me.

 

[gramcracker]

gramcracker,
So what was the signal that informed his instinct? My understanding is that his daughter was hiding, but presumed missing, and calling her name brought her out.

i.e. Fleet White was applying prior experience to the current situation.

I don't know what the signal was but he was described as being JR's closest friend. FW's experience with his daughter was light years away from what was being presented to him. I just have never understood why he called out for a child who had clearly been taken from the home according to the parents, the RN and LE. simplistic analogy, but if my friends told me their championship pedigreed cat had been napped and showed me the RN and the cops were there I wouldn't be going through the house calling "here, kitty kitty"

I realize that mileage varies on this issue

I separate FW's actions into before the discovery and after the discovery. except for calling her name, his actions before the discovery were logical. he dropped off the film in his camera to be developed and he ferried BR and the Fernie kids to his house. after the discovery he acted illogically: not obeying LA about staying put/guarding the basement door, and picking up the black tape. which I think was due to the horror of seeing JB in that condition. but I also wonder if his mind was racing with sickening thoughts about who was responsible

there was a tremendous falling-out between the two families which came very quickly. FW did not hesitate to get right up in JR's face the evening of the funeral, re hiring lawyers to dodge BPD and hiring private investigators and a PR team. one family member had a gun stashed under the sofa cushion that night because they were expecting fireworks from FW, as he had already been confronting JR about those issues. that is the last time they spoke to each other. FW/his wife were interviewed 18 times in a two-month period beginning January 5 and they allowed their kids to be interviewed as well. his letter that was printed in the Daily Camera (after the Denver Post refused to print it) showed him to be intelligent, articulate and analytical. which makes me wonder all the more about what was going through his mind during that first hour on the 26th

 

[questfortrue]

IIRC, fw daughter went missing sometime in the past year. They found her after calling her name. She'd fallen asleep in a 'hiding' place.

 

[Venom]

I don't know what the signal was but he was described as being JR's closest friend. FW's experience with his daughter was light years away from what was being presented to him. I just have never understood why he called out for a child who had clearly been taken from the home according to the parents, the RN and LE. simplistic analogy, but if my friends told me their championship pedigreed cat had been napped and showed me the RN and the cops were there I wouldn't be going through the house calling "here, kitty kitty"

I realize that mileage varies on this issue

I separate FW's actions into before the discovery and after the discovery. except for calling her name, his actions before the discovery were logical. he dropped off the film in his camera to be developed and he ferried BR and the Fernie kids to his house. after the discovery he acted illogically: not obeying LA about staying put/guarding the basement door, and picking up the black tape. which I think was due to the horror of seeing JB in that condition. but I also wonder if his mind was racing with sickening thoughts about who was responsible

there was a tremendous falling-out between the two families which came very quickly. FW did not hesitate to get right up in JR's face the evening of the funeral, re hiring lawyers to dodge BPD and hiring private investigators and a PR team. one family member had a gun stashed under the sofa cushion that night because they were expecting fireworks from FW, as he had already been confronting JR about those issues. that is the last time they spoke to each other. FW/his wife were interviewed 18 times in a two-month period beginning January 5 and they allowed their kids to be interviewed as well. his letter that was printed in the Daily Camera (after the Denver Post refused to print it) showed him to be intelligent, articulate and analytical. which makes me wonder all the more about what was going through his mind during that first hour on the 26th

Maybe he couldn't believe that he had not seen the body when he looked in the room earlier and was starting to think things didn't seem as they appeared.

I was reading a transcript of the R's on Larry King, and they claim they didn't hire a PR team. He says the lawyers hired a "media information person" for all the calls they were getting.

Link: http://edition.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0003/27/lkl.00.html


KING: But there are some who might have said, I don't need any lawyers, I didn't do it.

J. RAMSEY: I didn't do it.

KING: I just didn't do it.

P. RAMSEY: That's what we said.

KING: I don't need lawyers, I don't need PR. I don't need nothing. I didn't do it.

J. RAMSEY: Let me clarify one other...

P. RAMSEY: We didn't have PR people.

J. RAMSEY: We didn't have a PR firm...

KING: You never did? That was a...

P. RAMSEY: No. That was a myth. J. RAMSEY: That's -- our attorneys hired a media information person. They were getting 300 phone calls a day into their office. They couldn't cope with it. They hired someone that could be a focal point for all these calls from the media. That got translated by the media as a public relations spin doctor.

KING: You did that one interview with CNN and then stopped doing them. Was that a mistake? Should you have done more, or was it a mistake to do the CNN one?

P. RAMSEY: You know, hindsight is 20/20.

 

[eileenhawkeye]

I don't think having a PR team is necessarily a problem. In the R's case, they used the PR team to accuse innocent people of murdering a 6-year-old, to try to sabotage the investigation, etc. There have been parents of missing children who have used PR people to get more media coverage, deal with interview requests, etc.

ETA: It's funny though because I feel like hiring a PR firm is bad PR because although there's a lot of good a PR firm could do, I don't think people are very supportive of family members of crime victim who hire them.

 

[Linda7NJ]

Oh someone please link the statement from JR about hiring private investigators to mount a DEFENSE!

That's one of my favs

 

[SapphireSteel]

I don't think having a PR team is necessarily a problem. In the R's case, they used the PR team to accuse innocent people of murdering a 6-year-old, to try to sabotage the investigation, etc. There have been parents of missing children who have used PR people to get more media coverage, deal with interview requests, etc.

ETA: It's funny though because I feel like hiring a PR firm is bad PR because although there's a lot of good a PR firm could do, I don't think people are very supportive of family members of crime victim who hire them.

Ha!

Take a look at Madeleine McCanns case.

Her parents have had top class PR from Day one, and as a result pretty much all of the UK feel sorry for them, and as a result of that, they escaped all charges, including neglect, of which they were undeniably guilty.

Good PR is literally worth its weight in gold - and then some. They made millions of dollars for their "fund".

All those "unnamed sources" we read about here? Some of them are hired by the suspects, to "leak" the "truth".

I have long said that the Ramseys wrote the script that the McCanns followed, looks like there's a bit of mutual admiration going on.

:sick:

 

[cynic]

Oh someone please link the statement from JR about hiring private investigators to mount a DEFENSE!

That's one of my favs

Mine too.
Q. Then what was, basically, your association with the private investigation of the potential suspects in the murder of JonBenet Ramsey?
A. The investigators were retained by our attorneys, and they stated to me that the principal purpose of those investigators was to prepare a defense in the case that the police might bring a charge against me. I hoped that they would also follow up on leads that came to us, but I was frequently reminded by our attorneys that their principal role was to prepare a defense should that be necessary.
Deposition of John Ramsey, December 12, 2001

 

[gramcracker]

from ^

I hoped that they would also follow up on leads that came to us, but I was frequently reminded by our attorneys that their principal role was to prepare a defense should that be necessary.

bwahahahahahah :floorlaugh:

the NERVE! THE NERVE!

 

[Venom]

JMO here. But I would think if one was going to hire a PR team to assist in a case, then they (people hiring PR team) themselves should assist in the case also.

:twocents:

 

[UKGuy]

Ha!

Take a look at Madeleine McCanns case.

Her parents have had top class PR from Day one, and as a result pretty much all of the UK feel sorry for them, and as a result of that, they escaped all charges, including neglect, of which they were undeniably guilty.

Good PR is literally worth its weight in gold - and then some. They made millions of dollars for their "fund".

All those "unnamed sources" we read about here? Some of them are hired by the suspects, to "leak" the "truth".

I have long said that the Ramseys wrote the script that the McCanns offollowed, looks like there's a bit of mutual admiration going on.

:sick:

SapphireSteel,
Well I have taken a long hard look at the Madeleine McCann case, and I reckon its literally what the R's staged, i.e. the kidnapping of their daughter.

In the McCann's case their daughter was truly spirited away, in the Ramsey case the daughter remained on the premises.

Your attribution of neglect to the McCanns is uncharitable, they were a middle class family who assumed their enviroment was safe, so went out one evening to enjoy the cafe culture.

Patently someone was watching and waiting, they cannot be blamed for someone elses evil intent.

I have the greatest admiration for the manner in which both parents have coped with the stress of losing Madeleine, and all the consequent media gossip, despite this they continue to function as a family.

Madeleine might yet be found, just as other kidnapped girls have. The BBC will shortly broadcast an appeal using new evidence based on an analysis of the phone records gathered in the days leading up to and beyond the time when Madeleine went missing.

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[SapphireSteel]

SapphireSteel,
Well I have taken a long hard look at the Madeleine McCann case, and I reckon its literally what the R's staged, i.e. the kidnapping of their daughter.

In the McCann's case their daughter was truly spirited away, in the Ramsey case the daughter remained on the premises.

Your attribution of neglect to the McCanns is uncharitable, they were a middle class family who assumed their enviroment was safe, so went out one evening to enjoy the cafe culture.

Patently someone was watching and waiting, they cannot be blamed for someone elses evil intent.

I have the greatest admiration for the manner in which both parents have coped with the stress of losing Madeleine, and all the consequent media gossip, despite this they continue to function as a family.

Madeleine might yet be found, just as other kidnapped girls have. The BBC will shortly broadcast an appeal using new evidence based on an analysis of the phone records gathered in the days leading up to and beyond the time when Madeleine went missing.

.

See what good PR can do? Even UKguy thinks the McCanns are just innocent victims.


:scared:

 

[madeleine]

from ^

I hoped that they would also follow up on leads that came to us, but I was frequently reminded by our attorneys that their principal role was to prepare a defense should that be necessary.

bwahahahahahah :floorlaugh:

the NERVE! THE NERVE!

that's one of my favourites...I couldn't believe it the first time I read it....there is also a quote somewhere,JR saying his lawyers advised him to keep his mouth shut cause he tends to say things he shouldn't...I forgot from which depo it is

 

[madeleine]

See what good PR can do? Even UKguy thinks the McCanns are just innocent victims.


:scared:

But it's not about PR....there is no evidence IMO that they harmed Maddy!

 

[Eldee]

I just ordered the book from Amazon. I can only hope he feels the same way I do about BR and the parent's subsequent cover up or I will be so disappointed. My mind is made up and I don't ever think it is going to change.

 

[tezi]

I just ordered the book from Amazon. I can only hope he feels the same way I do about BR and the parent's subsequent cover up or I will be so disappointed. My mind is made up and I don't ever think it is going to change.

I thought Kolar did an excellent job with this book. I am sure you won't be disappointed.

O/T: I finally found my long lost book. It was in storage from when we moved. I am now rereading it.