Jane Fonda's Big Mouth Gets Her in Trouble Again

[southcitymom]

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[j2mirish]

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[Marthatex]

In the excerpt published in Vanity Fair, she said she regretted allowing her picture to be taken when she was sitting at a North Vietnamese anti-aircraft gun, one that had presumably been used to shoot at American planes. She said it wasn't planned (at least not by her) and happened by accident, but that she had enough p.r. experience to have known better. IIRC, she never said she shouldn't have gone to Hanoi.

She was 100% right about that war, but as with the Dixie Chicks, we can't seem to forgive a woman for speaking out, especially if she is right.
As for this latest flap, Americans can be such children. She didn't use the word in a profane way, she correctly identified the name of the monologue. If children were watching, what an excellent opportunity to discuss the word and why it isn't used in polite conversation!

Ain't that the truth. Thanks for setting me straight about what she's "sorry" for. I was studying in college at the time and honestly didn't pay that much attention to what she did. All I knew is that there was a growing swell of people against the War, and huge demonstrations, even at my university. It was a sad and frustrating time for Americans. I remember when Hubert Humphrey came to speak; people started yelling and being so rude he couldn't give his speech here. At that time I wrote a letter to the editor in DEFENSE of Hubert HUmphrey and his right to free speech. Even though I was against the war. And it was printed; then I got lots of telephone calls, most backing my opinion. Things were crazy; but he was associated with Johnson and no one would listen.

Nice to see you posting again.

 

[Nova]

Ain't that the truth. Thanks for setting me straight about what she's "sorry" for. I was studying in college at the time and honestly didn't pay that much attention to what she did. All I knew is that there was a growing swell of people against the War, and huge demonstrations, even at my university. It was a sad and frustrating time for Americans. I remember when Hubert Humphrey came to speak; people started yelling and being so rude he couldn't give his speech here. At that time I wrote a letter to the editor in DEFENSE of Hubert HUmphrey and his right to free speech. Even though I was against the war. And it was printed; then I got lots of telephone calls, most backing my opinion. Things were crazy; but he was associated with Johnson and no one would listen.

Nice to see you posting again.

It was indeed a crazy time, Martha. Personally, I wasn't comfortable with her trip to Hanoi, but I think we have to remember that thousands of people (Americans and Vietnamese) were dying in a war that could have gone on forever and people like Ms. Fonda did something about that. As far as I'm concerned, that is just as heroic as the brave Americans who served in the armed forces.

Thanks, Martha and j2. It's nice to have a little time to post again.

 

[gardenmom]

Ironically I just watched the move Hostel II, in which a young woman is called a C**T and proceeded to cut the mans D**K off. How's that for justice?

 

[Nova]

Ironically I just watched the move Hostel II, in which a young woman is called a C**T and proceeded to cut the mans D**K off. How's that for justice?

I don't think words ever justify violence. (It sounds like the movie plays into the stereotype that women react irrationally in response to certain language. I hope the movie context was more complicated than that.)

But I certainly agree it's wrong to call any woman a c**t. I'm sure Jane Fonda also agrees. Of course, that isn't what she did.

 

[dingo]

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[gardenmom]

I don't think words ever justify violence. (It sounds like the movie plays into the stereotype that women react irrationally in response to certain language. I hope the movie context was more complicated than that.)

But I certainly agree it's wrong to call any woman a c**t. I'm sure Jane Fonda also agrees. Of course, that isn't what she did.

Yes, he was going to kill her and she turned the tables on him. Sorry if it offended you.:blowkiss:

 

[Nova]

Yes, he was going to kill her and she turned the tables on him. Sorry if it offended you.:blowkiss:

I'm so sorry, gardenmom. There was nothing wrong with your post and I wasn't offended. I knew you were making a joke about justice.

:blowkiss:

But, yes, I do think true self-defense (as you describe the scene) is different than killing somebody because he used a word.

And we have gotten to a point where, IMHO, the joke that women go crazy over the "c-word" has gotten tired. For whatever reason, a lot of women find that word problematic. Shouldn't that just be a good reason not to use it? Why do we have to turn distaste for the word into "evidence" that women are irrational? (These are rhetorical questions. You suggested no such thing, of course.)

 

[Brefie]

As for this latest flap, Americans can be such children. She didn't use the word in a profane way, she correctly identified the name of the monologue. If children were watching, what an excellent opportunity to discuss the word and why it isn't used in polite conversation!

Excellent idea! I think that there should be constant discussion with kiddies about what they see and hear and why we do or do not choose to conducts ourselves in that way.

 

[BhamMama]

She's so not a hero! She may not have gotten anyone killed but her very words didn't exactly endear her to thousands of Vets, my daddy and uncles included. She called them liars and said they were never treated badly and she tried to tell everyone they weren't hero's when they'd come home from the nastiest hell there was on earth.

Same as this war, they were doing as they were told, no more, no less. The government may be crap but my daddy and uncles, along with their peers, are heros because they survived, despite what hanoi jane and her cohorts, plus the government, thought of them, then and now.

http://www.1stcavmedic.com/jane_fonda.htm

There is a way to say what you don't like without damning the people who have no choice, she had a choice. It may have been a horrible choice but she was free to make it. She should live with it forever. Our vets had no choice and they have to live with their memories. She makes my skin crawl.

Nothing ugly she does surprises me.

 

[Nova]

She's so not a hero! She may not have gotten anyone killed but her very words didn't exactly endear her to thousands of Vets, my daddy and uncles included. She called them liars and said they were never treated badly and she tried to tell everyone they weren't hero's when they'd come home from the nastiest hell there was on earth.

Same as this war, they were doing as they were told, no more, no less. The government may be crap but my daddy and uncles, along with their peers, are heros because they survived, despite what hanoi jane and her cohorts, plus the government, thought of them, then and now.

http://www.1stcavmedic.com/jane_fonda.htm

There is a way to say what you don't like without damning the people who have no choice, she had a choice. It may have been a horrible choice but she was free to make it. She should live with it forever. Our vets had no choice and they have to live with their memories. She makes my skin crawl.

Nothing ugly she does surprises me.

War is hell. For those who fight it and for civillians caught in the cross-fire. And also for those who devote their lives to stopping illegal and unnecessary conflict. Mistakes are made by all sides, certainly including Jane Fonda.

But just as we understand the actions of some servicepeople in the context of the impossible situation in which they were placed and the unreasonable demands made on them, we should view anti-war activists in the context of the struggle in which they were engaged. Were they sometimes naive? Certainly. Did they sometimes overspeak? Yes, they did. Were they wrong to demonize American soldiers. Absolutely (and, thank God, we seem to be largely avoiding that sin in the current war)!

But antiwar activists were opposing the most powerful administration and military leadership in the history of this country, in an unprecedented attempt to stop a war in progress. It shouldn't surprise us that mistakes were made.

 

[concernedperson]

War is hell. For those who fight it and for civillians caught in the cross-fire. And also for those who devote their lives to stopping illegal and unnecessary conflict. Mistakes are made by all sides, certainly including Jane Fonda.

But just as we understand the actions of some servicepeople in the context of the impossible situation in which they were placed and the unreasonable demands made on them, we should view anti-war activists in the context of the struggle in which they were engaged. Were they sometimes naive? Certainly. Did they sometimes overspeak? Yes, they did. Were they wrong to demonize American soldiers. Absolutely (and, thank God, we seem to be largely avoiding that sin in the current war)!

But antiwar activists were opposing the most powerful administration and military leadership in the history of this country, in an unprecedented attempt to stop a war in progress. It shouldn't surprise us that mistakes were made.

Thanks for being reasonable in an unreasonable war. I guess this is where history prevails. Not just taking the words of a few media reports but taking the history of people who were around then and who actually went through this period of transition.It was really a bad time for our country and the anti war activists made a huge difference. It was a first for so many in current history and it changed a lot until now.

 

[philamena]

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Nothing ugly she does surprises me.

Her comment using the c word, imo wasn't ugly.
She said it was the name of her monologe and she also said she didn't want to comment about that.

 

[Nova]

Thanks for being reasonable in an unreasonable war. I guess this is where history prevails. Not just taking the words of a few media reports but taking the history of people who were around then and who actually went through this period of transition.It was really a bad time for our country and the anti war activists made a huge difference. It was a first for so many in current history and it changed a lot until now.

Those of us who remember those days will remember young people being assaulted simply for having long hair. There was plenty of unreasonableness all around in those crazy days. I haven't read everything she's said and written, but it seems to me that Jane Fonda has admitted she made mistakes in the heat of the moment. Surely that's enough at this point, nearly half a century later.

As for merely saying the title of her monologue, she didn't use the word to verbally abuse anybody or even in a sexual way. Some times, words are just words.

 

[concernedperson]

Those of us who remember those days will remember young people being assaulted simply for having long hair. There was plenty of unreasonableness all around in those crazy days. I haven't read everything she's said and written, but it seems to me that Jane Fonda has admitted she made mistakes in the heat of the moment. Surely that's enough at this point, nearly half a century later.

As for merely saying the title of her monologue, she didn't use the word to verbally abuse anybody or even in a sexual way. Some times, words are just words.

I so agree. Just think how many years it took to get hippie out of the vocabulary. LOL! That is us..older and grayer and basically running the country or at least business and children and grandchildren.

I still wish I would have had a chance to go to Woodstock. But, I imagine I have made enough mistakes along the way that Woodstock need not be one too.

 

[Nova]

I so agree. Just think how many years it took to get hippie out of the vocabulary. LOL! That is us..older and grayer and basically running the country or at least business and children and grandchildren.

I still wish I would have had a chance to go to Woodstock. But, I imagine I have made enough mistakes along the way that Woodstock need not be one too.

I hear ya, cp. I thought watching the movie, Woodstock, was wild enough. (But I made up for loss time in the 70s, I must admit. :blushing