Japan - Miyazawa family of 4 murdered, Setagaya, Tokyo, 30 Dec 2000 #4

[dotr]

Murderer obsessed with the Miyazawa murders is jailed by Dorset court for 39 years.

Student jailed for at least 39 years for Bournemouth beach murder

Wondering if and which murders, might have been the inspiration for the Miyazawa family killer?

 

[Lalalacasbah]

Murderer obsessed with the Miyazawa murders is jailed by Dorset court for 39 years.

Student jailed for at least 39 years for Bournemouth beach murder

Ugh sounds like Bryan Kohberger 2.0... Frightening! I have to wonder how many more of these we'll see in the future

 

[Lalalacasbah]

Wondering if and which murders, might have been the inspiration for the Miyazawa family killer?

Good question! I am curious if the motive and psychological profile is similar with the two killers as well (no one paying attention, feeling socially awkward, hatred towards women, etc.)

 

[Ssschu]

Murderer obsessed with the Miyazawa murders is jailed by Dorset court for 39 years.

Student jailed for at least 39 years for Bournemouth beach murder

A student of murder much like Bryan Kohberger. So sick and twisted. Luckily, neither one was a very good student because they got caught.

 

[Charlot123]

Good question! I am curious if the motive and psychological profile is similar with the two killers as well (no one paying attention, feeling socially awkward, hatred towards women, etc.)

Sometimes I feel that he is like BK and socially awkward. At other times, I think he has these traits but is masking them well. If so, he may be way more accepted than BK, for example, he can be humorous and attractive. Deep inside he tends to bear grudges. Also, we may discuss his hatred towards women but in essence, it is the reflection of his deep self-hatred.

 

[Mandala]

Well, one sort of has to be mentally disturbed to stay in an empty house with four dead bodies for a night and eat around them. Such a degree of dissociation is abnormal.

My point was that someone mentally disturbed can hide it well and appear normal to others.

 

[penelopeb]

Hi all! Back after a few months and catching up on everything. Quick question, I keep reading there were bloody footprints leading towards the house. Does this mean that the footprints were coming out of the house or going towards? Going towards makes no sense to me but the phrasing of this has me confused.

 

[Incoherent]

Hi all! Back after a few months and catching up on everything. Quick question, I keep reading there were bloody footprints leading towards the house. Does this mean that the footprints were coming out of the house or going towards? Going towards makes no sense to me but the phrasing of this has me confused.

The bloody footprints were heading in the direction of the front door from the first floor, like someone leaving the house. There was also something on the floor inside the entrance, which I assume to be blood, but as of now nothing confirmed outside of the front door although it seems there could be based on the lettering card placements.

 

[Eveready Pow]

Is there any reason why there couldn’t have been two assailants? Breaking in by yourself is ballsy and could easily have resulted in their own death. One could have been strangling the boy when the other stumbled upon the father. One could have kept shoes on whereas the other who initially ventured farther decided to de-shoe resulting in the sock prints. The clothes left behind could be a mixture of two different individuals.

Probably unlikely, but just wondering if there is evidence I’m forgetting that would definitely rule this out. Otherwise, I have a hard time understanding the risk a single individual was taking by doing this. The dad could easily have overpowered and killed him especially since it seems he was a small guy.

 

[Eliver]

Is there any reason why there couldn’t have been two assailants? Breaking in by yourself is ballsy and could easily have resulted in their own death. One could have been strangling the boy when the other stumbled upon the father. One could have kept shoes on whereas the other who initially ventured farther decided to de-shoe resulting in the sock prints. The clothes left behind could be a mixture of two different individuals.

Probably unlikely, but just wondering if there is evidence I’m forgetting that would definitely rule this out. Otherwise, I have a hard time understanding the risk a single individual was taking by doing this. The dad could easily have overpowered and killed him especially since it seems he was a small guy.

All the remains in the house linked to the assassin (blood, feces, hair, fingerprints, footprints) are all of the same person and there aren't any other traces whatsoever of a second assailant even though there are bloody footprints everywhere.
No footprints of different shoes, no fingerprints of a second person. Nothing.

Even ignoring all the above (and I would already have a hard time doing it), the entering was always a problem and would have been an even bigger problem for two people.

It was one person.

 

[Charlot123]

My point was that someone mentally disturbed can hide it well and appear normal to others.

Agree 100%. I assume that “oh, this neighbor living two doors down from us, such a nice man, who’d think he could do it?” is a more typical scenario than “I always suspected that weirdo.”

Except for one factor. I noticed “intense gaze” on photos of many serial killers, but I think it indicates certain underlying mental issues in general, not points at how they’d manifest.

 

[Incoherent]

Is there any reason why there couldn’t have been two assailants? Breaking in by yourself is ballsy and could easily have resulted in their own death. One could have been strangling the boy when the other stumbled upon the father. One could have kept shoes on whereas the other who initially ventured farther decided to de-shoe resulting in the sock prints. The clothes left behind could be a mixture of two different individuals.

Probably unlikely, but just wondering if there is evidence I’m forgetting that would definitely rule this out. Otherwise, I have a hard time understanding the risk a single individual was taking by doing this. The dad could easily have overpowered and killed him especially since it seems he was a small guy.

There is potential and indication that someone knew what he was doing that night or assisted him in some way before he entered and once he left the house, but the killer went in and did the job alone despite all the risks present - and there were a lot.

Re: height/stature etc, Mikio was in fact shorter than the height estimated of the killer and about 25 years, give or take, older. Add in the element of surprise and it isn’t difficult to see how he accomplished killing him. But somewhere along the way, now estimated to have been when he killed the girls, he did injure himself quite badly, so it wasn’t all smooth sailing.

 

[Incoherent]

However previously I mentioned seeing a photo in the documentary multiple times of the entryway by the front door. There is something there on the floor labelled differently to the bloody footprints, which are labelled with numbers, and the bodies, which are labelled with English letters.
Apologies as the picture is taken from my TV, but see here:
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Circled are what seem to be drops of blood or blood stains. They are labelled using Japanese katakana but oddly only show 3 characters ウエオ. This is like labelling something “C, D, E” with “A, B” missing or not shown. It could mean the A and B are outside the front door. I’m doing a lot of assuming here but it’s possible there were drops of blood outside as well, coupled with footprints heading towards the front door this tells a different story to what the TMPD suggest.
JMO.

Going back to this I have found a photo that confirms my suspicions that there actually were further letter card placements outside of the door. See the original photo and then my zoomed in one:

The two katakana letters you see circled are ア and イ and they are the “A” and “B” on the outside of the door to the “C, D, E” on the inside of it.
This photo is obviously very early on in the day after the bodies were discovered.

I wonder if this means blood was found outside the door and on the steps then. Or were they footprints? I have no idea and haven’t seen it mentioned anywhere. But they’ve labelled something.

 

[Incoherent]

There is a possibility these are Haruko’s foot prints as she left the house again since it has never been mentioned that something was found outside the door.

But then, a lot has never been mentioned until recently. And there clearly was something found outside the door judging by these photos.

 

[Eliver]

There is a possibility these are Haruko’s foot prints as she left the house again since it has never been mentioned that something was found outside the door.

But then, a lot has never been mentioned until recently. And there clearly was something found outside the door judging by these photos.

Also, if it is indeed blood, and they were Haruko's footprints, wouldn't have more sense if the label ア was on the other side of the step? Closer to her house and not apparently going on the other side? I don't know if it's clear what I mean.

 

[Incoherent]

Also, if it is indeed blood, and they were Haruko's footprints, wouldn't have more sense if the label ア was on the other side of the step? Closer to her house and not apparently going on the other side? I don't know if it's clear what I mean.

I understand what you mean. If we assume the labelling is a footprint then it seems it is almost running away from the house, not heading to the Irie side. The gap in between the ア and イ is big enough to be a stride or show someone running.

 

[Eliver]

I understand what you mean. If we assume the labelling is a footprint then it seems it is almost running away from the house, not heading to the Irie side. The gap in between the ア and イ is big enough to be a stride or show someone running.

Right?
That's what I meant. If it was indeed blood (and at least for me it's impossible to say from that distance), it wouldn't make sense that it was Haruko also considering the distance as you say.

 

[Incoherent]

Right?
That's what I meant. If it was indeed blood (and at least for me it's impossible to say from that distance), it wouldn't make sense that it was Haruko also considering the distance as you say.

The 3 markers inside the door are only shown very briefly in the documentary and it isn’t commented on. Japanese blogs speak about them as if they could be blood stains, but I cannot tell at all what they are from pictures. And the 2 markers outside of the door are impossible to tell.

Since Haruko went all the way to the landing and returned with blood on her cheek, it is safe to assume she had blood on her feet too. We also had that very distinct bloody footprint on the second floor that was someone without their shoes on.
To me it is possible Haruko made more marks with the blood on her feet, but as you say the distance between the outside markers and the direction it is heading is suspicious.

 

[Mandala]

Agree 100%. I assume that “oh, this neighbor living two doors down from us, such a nice man, who’d think he could do it?” is a more typical scenario than “I always suspected that weirdo.”

Except for one factor. I noticed “intense gaze” on photos of many serial killers, but I think it indicates certain underlying mental issues in general, not points at how they’d manifest.

Yes, I agree. The “he kept to himself but seemed like a friendly family man” type scenario.
This killer had anger but also wanted power and control IMO. To kill an entire family and then hang around the house like that, making themselves at home is just creepy. Who wanted revenge on this family and to gain a sense of control over them?

 

[Charlot123]

Yes, I agree. The “he kept to himself but seemed like a friendly family man” type scenario.
This killer had anger but also wanted power and control IMO. To kill an entire family and then hang around the house like that, making themselves at home is just creepy. Who wanted revenge on this family and to gain a sense of control over them?

One wonders if the perpetrator observed the house in advance, just to understand the lifestyle and the schedule of both houses. Meaning, he had to know when they’d wake up, and how much time he’d have before morning. It is possible that initially he didn’t care whether he’d be caught or not, but if he planned to escape, he’d have to be aware of their schedules. Yasuko mentioned a car parking too closely. One wonders how much one could see from the park as opposed to the front of the house.