Jason Young to get new trial #3

[JusticeFever]

They might have had a total earning of up to $150k, but either way, even $130k is plenty for a family with one child and another on the way.

Thanks Otto, enjoying your cake?

 

[JusticeFever]

Or review the appellate court opinion. MF spoke to Jason and he asked her what happened. Intentionally misrepresenting the facts isn't going to change reality.

After Defendant arrived and learned from his mother of Michelle’s passing, he spoke with Meredith over the phone. Meredith told Defendant to come to her home because the Youngs’ home was a crime scene. When speaking to Meredith, he asked about Emily, what had happened, and seemed upset over the phone.

http://www.wral.com/asset/news/local/2014/04/01/13529333/April_1_2014_Appeals_Court_Opinion.pdf

Thanks, and the name Emily was used for CY, ok, I see that now!

 

[minor4th]

Thanks, and the name Emily was used for CY, ok, I see that now!

Yes..

 

[otto]

:bdscroll:

Hope you have a good one! My 'baby' girl turns 23 on 17th.

Thank you ... and for the replies upthread as well! Since so many of us have been together discussing this case for almost eight years, I decided to pick up treats for everyone! We might have to jump across the fence once or twice to share.

 

[JusticeFever]

Thank you ... and for the replies upthread as well! Since so many of us have been together discussing this case for almost eight years, I decided to pick up treats for everyone! We might have to jump across the fence once or twice to share.

<snipped for calories>

LOL, I just asked you a few posts up if you were enjoying your cake!!

 

[otto]

<snipped for calories>

LOL, I just asked you a few posts up if you were enjoying your cake!!

Birthdays are the one day where one is allowed to eat pastries for breakfast, pastries for lunch, pastries with afternoon coffee, and pastries in the evening.

 

[otto]

Here is what Shelley Schaad testified to about "conversations with JY" after the murder:

1. SS went into MF's house and then right to see CY. JY was in the bed with CY. SS told JY how sorry she was & how she couldn’t understand what happened. JY hugged SS and said, “I’m so sorry.” SS does not recall any other conversation between her & JY that evening.

2. Convo with JY about the will (after visitation at funeral home). Ryan & SS went to hotel. CY had already been taken to Brevard. JY asked Shelley, “what happens to CY now in terms of the will… does she still go to Heather & Joe?” SS was a witness to that will but had no idea about the legal aspects. SS interpreted JY's question as, "JY asking if he goes to jail will CY then go to his sister & bro in law?"

3. At visitation / funeral. Any 1:1 contact with JY? "Yes, sure, well with the whole family. Reached out to him & the whole family." SS said she was in “support mode.” Question: "Did you (SS) engage him in convo about investigation & talking to the police?" SS: "Yes, over the phone sometime after the funeral I asked JY, “what happened, Jason? Who could have done this? Did Michelle cross someone? Did she make anyone angry?” JY said, “I can't talk; my lawyer told me not to talk.”

4. Was JY speaking to other friends? SS testified "JY was not speaking to other friends, nor her husband, RS, nor the police." SS wondered why JY would not help.

5. After the funeral SS no longer had contact with JY. She said, "I decided JY’s true colors would become apparent over time. I mean, how unlucky can one man be to have a series of events around his wife's murder ....” SS said she cut off all contact with JY — her husband remained in contact for awhile, but SS didn’t want to see or speak to JY again. She never spoke to JY again. Her husband eventually did the same. (note: the implication that the Schaad's believe JY murdered MY became apparent though the question was not point-blank asked.)

http://www.wral.com/specialreports/michelleyoung/video/10704797/

Thanks for posting that! It certainly gives context to Jason being confused about guardianship of the minor child at the execution of the Will. It sounds like Heather was appointed to be guardian of the child in the event that they both died, and that Jason thought that might apply in the event that the primary caregiver died.

I would hope that no one was discussing murder suspects at the funeral!

How can Shelly Schaad respond to a question about whether Jason was discussing his wife's murder with anyone other than herself? She can't answer that question and she shouldn't have been asked that question.

Shelly Schaad didn't like Jason when Michelle was dating him, so obviously she still didn't like him after Michelle was murdered.

 

[minor4th]

Or review the appellate court opinion. MF spoke to Jason and he asked her what happened. Intentionally misrepresenting the facts isn't going to change reality.

After Defendant arrived and learned from his mother of Michelle’s passing, he spoke with Meredith over the phone. Meredith told Defendant to come to her home because the Youngs’ home was a crime scene. When speaking to Meredith, he asked about Emily, what had happened, and seemed upset over the phone.

http://www.wral.com/asset/news/local/2014/04/01/13529333/April_1_2014_Appeals_Court_Opinion.pdf

I recommend everyone interested in this case read the appeals opinion again. It does a good job of going through the evidence.

 

[JusticeFever]

Birthdays are the one day where one is allowed to eat pastries for breakfast, pastries for lunch, pastries with afternoon coffee, and pastries in the evening.

Lol, and as for jumping the fence, I was once on the other side!!
Yep, shocker, I was a G!!

 

[otto]

Lol, and as for jumping the fence, I was once on the other side!!
Yep, shocker, I was a G!!

That would explain why you are so familiar with the evidence from a critical perspective ... in my opinion. At one time, you must have looked at all the same evidence and accepted it, only to each time see a small loophole ... but letting it go because there was lots of other evidence. Did you at some point realize that there was actually a small loophole (eg: the gas attendant has a verified unreliable memory) in almost all the evidence? I'm not one for looking at the facts independently, rather than as a whole, as it is the sum of the parts that matters. However, in this case, each sum has a weak link such that eventually, the sum of the parts does not add up.

 

[otto]

If two people that had conviction in their belief that Jason was guilty (I did) jumped the fence, what does that say about the strength of the case?

 

[otto]

:bdscroll:

Hope you have a good one! My 'baby' girl turns 23 on 17th.

OT:
My middle child has her birthday on Friday the Thirteenth. That means she has double good luck. She asked about a full moon at midnight between June 12 and 13, as she was born at midnight between those two days and we're having a full moon tomorrow at midnight. My son said it means that something weird is going to happen.

 

[SStarr33]

Thanks!! And, it really doesn't matter what he said or didn't say, it is not evidence that he committed this crime. Other than the state trying to make the jury hate the guy so much that we can get by with our not so credible eye witness cause we sure as heck do not have a motive either.

I watched her testimony today and I seriously cannot believe they put her on the stand. They were desperate.

 

[SStarr33]

SS had many conversations with him immediately and days after the murder? I don't remember that?

Yup. She emphasized the many times they talked. Would you like a link to her testimony?

 

[SStarr33]

Maybe you havent gotten to Jasons testimony. He admits that he did not talk about his alibi with anyone at all, pursuant to his lawyers advice

Jason did not take the stand in the re-trial.

 

[SStarr33]

Here is what Shelley Schaad testified to about "conversations with JY" after the murder:

1. SS went into MF's house and then right to see CY. JY was in the bed with CY. SS told JY how sorry she was & how she couldn’t understand what happened. JY hugged SS and said, “I’m so sorry.” SS does not recall any other conversation between her & JY that evening.

2. Convo with JY about the will (after visitation at funeral home). Ryan & SS went to hotel. CY had already been taken to Brevard. JY asked Shelley, “what happens to CY now in terms of the will… does she still go to Heather & Joe?” SS was a witness to that will but had no idea about the legal aspects. SS interpreted JY's question as, "JY asking if he goes to jail will CY then go to his sister & bro in law?"

3. At visitation / funeral. Any 1:1 contact with JY? "Yes, sure, well with the whole family. Reached out to him & the whole family." SS said she was in “support mode.” Question: "Did you (SS) engage him in convo about investigation & talking to the police?" SS: "Yes, over the phone sometime after the funeral I asked JY, “what happened, Jason? Who could have done this? Did Michelle cross someone? Did she make anyone angry?” JY said, “I can't talk; my lawyer told me not to talk.”

4. Was JY speaking to other friends? SS testified "JY was not speaking to other friends, nor her husband, RS, nor the police." SS wondered why JY would not help.

5. After the funeral SS no longer had contact with JY. She said, "I decided JY’s true colors would become apparent over time. I mean, how unlucky can one man be to have a series of events around his wife's murder ....” SS said she cut off all contact with JY — her husband remained in contact for awhile, but SS didn’t want to see or speak to JY again. She never spoke to JY again. Her husband eventually did the same. (note: the implication that the Schaad's believe JY murdered MY became apparent though the question was not point-blank asked.)

http://www.wral.com/specialreports/michelleyoung/video/10704797/

You must have missed the part where she said she talked to him many times.

Listen to it again.

 

[SStarr33]

If Jason did not ask Meredith what she found in the house, and if Jason at no time asked what happened to Michelle, when did he learn what happened ... during trial?

He found out immediately. MF said in her testimony that she told him not to go to his house because it was a crime scene.

 

[SStarr33]

They might have had a total earning of up to $150k, but either way, even $130k is plenty for a family with one child and another on the way.

Actually, I re-listened to some testimony and heard that might be Michelle's income alone.

I wonder how much life insurance it takes to throw off enough income to earn that amount per year to support your children.

Just read this in Forbes:

The industry rule of thumb used to be to buy life insurance that would provide 7 to 10 times your salary. More recently the high-end recommendation has been doubled to 20 times your salary, depending on your circumstances. But the number really depends on what you need the life insurance to do: to cover annual living expenses, to pay for day care through college expenses for your children, to pay off your mortgage or other debts, to help your spouse with transition income for a number of years—or income for life.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/ashleaebeling/2014/06/11/the-500000-life-insurance-gap/

 

[tarheellvr]

He found out immediately. MF said in her testimony that she told him not to go to his house because it was a crime scene.

He KNEW what happened to Michelle....he was the one who slaughtered her!!

 

[tarheellvr]

You must have missed the part where she said she talked to him many times.

Listen to it again.

She has......TO is the magic word here, TO. JLY was spoken TO.