Jason Young to get new trial #3

[SStarr33]

BBM
I remember reading he hiked the Appalachian Trail by himself. How could he not be a detailed planner?

Another lie by the prosecution. His friend Cort (sp?) went with him.

 

[citygirl]

I agree completely!!! BH was not at all prepared for the cross on JY. I could not believe she completed her cross in under an hour!!! To be fair she only had the lunch hour to prepare and she had no idea what he was going to say when he was on the stand.She did have one line of questions that IMO were effective. JY had said he was working on his marriage with MY. BH asked, "Were you working on your marriage when" she then repeated this with all the examples of extra marital activities etc. That was the only part of her cross that to me was effective.

I remember that. It was painful but she did score a few points. The good thing is he finally spoke and is locked into his testimony. I never found his testimony credible. It was tailored to what he had learned from discovery. MOO.

 

[Grammy Jean]

Grammy Jean, I don't think this is entirely true. The state went to great lengths to discredit Mrs. Beaver and I thought they treated her horribly. If you listen to her testimony, you will hear how she was bullied over the years when giving her statements and how there even came a time, she wanted to back out. She couldn't take it any more. I am sorry, but they were really rough on her and the court allowed it. Her testimony never wavered and she knew what she saw. She lived on that street for 21 years.
A busybody would have been down at the Youngs house later that day butting in and giving her information. She never did that.....

http://www.wral.com/specialreports/michelleyoung/video/10796463/
This is a link to CB's boss testifying about her getting into everyone's business.
If you can stand to hear BH and her ummmms It starts at about the8:12 mark
I am sure LE were tough on her to try to break her down. That in itself is a shame and that is one reason why people don't want to get involved My daughter knows CB's daughter and CB has gone through a lot of grief from people. I know she wishes she never got involved.
I do believe she saw what she thought she saw I just don't happen to think she saw it when she thought she saw it I will admit this may be my bias as I am a believer that JY is guilty.

 

[Madeleine74]

He managed to plan lots of things in his life: several rendezvous with MM, sales call(s), increasing the life insurance to an amount neither the attorney or his wife thought was reasonable, printouts of a map and ebay purse auction (took the map, oops turned the ebay printout over and left it on the printer--then why the urgent need to get someone to retrieve a piece of paper upside down on the printer?), a plan to stop for dinner at Cracker Barrel (oops, didn't realize the camera above the cashier would capture pics of his shoes).

He could and did plan but he's not perfect; no one is perfect. He got caught, big time. And he lied and lied and lied and got caught in that too when he went on record in his first trial and then had to face a 2nd. There's a reason he did not take the stand again. But too late. A jury can watch his testimony from his first trial and compare it to the evidence that is introduced that rebuts what he said.

 

[citygirl]

Because LE/ME are perfect?

Are you inferring that the ME is lying about the livor mortis?

 

[JusticeFever]

That would explain why you are so familiar with the evidence from a critical perspective ... in my opinion. At one time, you must have looked at all the same evidence and accepted it, only to each time see a small loophole ... but letting it go because there was lots of other evidence. Did you at some point realize that there was actually a small loophole (eg: the gas attendant has a verified unreliable memory) in almost all the evidence? I'm not one for looking at the facts independently, rather than as a whole, as it is the sum of the parts that matters. However, in this case, each sum has a weak link such that eventually, the sum of the parts does not add up.

There was so much that changed my mind, but, mostly when we hit trial though and were able to clear up the "rumors". That did it for me. Also, Jason testifying, I found him to be very believable and if a small detail was missed here or there, it was minor. It was years after the fact.
But, the big thing, is this case never had that big gotcha moment, where you can't just argue or excuse something. In this case, the gotcha moments were supposed to be a camera, (that had been tampered with before) a rock, a shirt that could be anywhere, and a pair of shoes that even Karen Morrow(expert witness) could not say if the prints came from.
For every piece of evidence there was an explanation.
JY's prints in the drywall............no way to know how long they had been there.(Freeman)
The state trooper who investigated the car accident and testified to such (Hicks)
The hair in Michelle's hand, did not belong to JY, etc, etc.

And the search warrants kept coming with the media playing up the dramatic headlines.
The Other woman, Young's in financial peril, Large insurance motive in the Michelle Young case.
CY Drugged!
CY taken from home.....
CY identifying JY as killer.....
Numerous calls to Mother on day of Murder......( consistent with dropped calls)

JY's character being attacked at every level to make up for what the state lacked.
It just went on and on....and then the state's eye witness. Do you ever wonder how they were going to make this work. Their eye witness , one of the biggest pieces to the case, they even told her so, they told her they needed her. How was she going to hold up under cross, after the Jury heard she was brain damaged and had memory problems and the witness who witnessed the encounter could never be found. I bet they were worried, I wonder how she will do in Trial 3?
Just so much to cause reasonable doubt. IMO

 

[SteelerGirl43]

Are you inferring that the ME is lying about the livor mortis?

Not saying they did but they could have made a mistake... As I stated above check out the ME from the JA trial...

 

[citygirl]

There are no lights at the emergency exit doors? If so, did he know there would be no lights?

I thought he sat in his car with the door open because it was windy. Do I have that wrong?

 

[citygirl]

Another lie by the prosecution. His friend Cort (sp?) went with him.

I didn't know this came up in testimony. An insider/family friend posted it.

 

[otto]

"Something to do?" Ever try to read a newspaper outside at night, in the dark, in windy conditions? How did that work out?

How was he able to hold the newspaper and smoke a cigar at the same time? Remember the wind was gusty that evening -- he went into great detail about how he had to light up an entire match book in order to get the cigar lit. Where was the newspaper then? Finally, how would he have been able to see anything as small as sports scores in the dark?

More flotsam.

I think that hotel exits need lighting, so there would have been enough light, even at night.

What was the wind speed next to the building?

 

[otto]

There was so much that changed my mind, but, mostly when we hit trial though and were able to clear up the "rumors". That did it for me. Also, Jason testifying, I found him to be very believable and if a small detail was missed here or there, it was minor. It was years after the fact.
But, the big thing, is this case never had that big gotcha moment, where you can't just argue or excuse something. In this case, the gotcha moments were supposed to be a camera, (that had been tampered with before) a rock, a shirt that could be anywhere, and a pair of shoes that even Karen Morrow(expert witness) could not say if the prints came from.
For every piece of evidence there was an explanation.
JY's prints in the drywall............no way to know how long they had been there.(Freeman)
The state trooper who investigated the car accident and testified to such (Hicks)
The hair in Michelle's hand, did not belong to JY, etc, etc.

And the search warrants kept coming with the media playing up the dramatic headlines.
The Other woman, Young's in financial peril, Large insurance motive in the Michelle Young case.
CY Drugged!
CY taken from home.....
CY identifying JY as killer.....
Numerous calls to Mother on day of Murder......( consistent with dropped calls)

JY's character being attacked at every level to make up for what the state lacked.
It just went on and on....and then the state's eye witness. Do you ever wonder how they were going to make this work. Their eye witness , one of the biggest pieces to the case, they even told her so, they told her they needed her. How was she going to hold up under cross, after the Jury heard she was brain damaged and had memory problems and the witness who witnessed the encounter could never be found. I bet they were worried, I wonder how she will do in Trial 3?
Just so much to cause reasonable doubt. IMO

Thanks ... the thing with the witness with memory issues ... I think it is a fact that she no longer has any memory of the event. It has been so many years that even someone with a good memory will lose some clarity of memory. It believe that the only way that witness could testify again is if she is told what to say.

 

[SStarr33]

I thought he sat in his car with the door open because it was windy. Do I have that wrong?

I didn't hear him say that and I just finished listening to his testimony for the second time. Not saying it wasn't there, but I did not hear it.

 

[SStarr33]

I didn't know this came up in testimony. An insider/family friend posted it.

His stepfather said he went with Cort. The State's attorney was taken aback. Made me lol because I could tell he/she was flustered.

 

[citygirl]

Thanks ... the thing with the witness with memory issues ... I think it is a fact that she no longer has any memory of the event. It has been so many years that even someone with a good memory will lose some clarity of memory. It believe that the only way that witness could testify again is if she is told what to say.

How do you know she has no memory of the event? What do you base that on?

 

[SStarr33]

Are you inferring that the ME is lying about the livor mortis?

No, I am saying this is something that was overlooked. However, I still have not listened to the ME testimony about how someone found face down could have their blood pooled on their back.

 

[SStarr33]

http://www.wral.com/specialreports/michelleyoung/video/10796463/
This is a link to CB's boss testifying about her getting into everyone's business.
If you can stand to hear BH and her ummmms It starts at about the8:12 mark
I am sure LE were tough on her to try to break her down. That in itself is a shame and that is one reason why people don't want to get involved My daughter knows CB's daughter and CB has gone through a lot of grief from people. I know she wishes she never got involved.
I do believe she saw what she thought she saw I just don't happen to think she saw it when she thought she saw it I will admit this may be my bias as I am a believer that JY is guilty.

The problem with this is that CB and the NYT lady both saw the lights on the outside of the house. The N&O guy was clueless.

 

[citygirl]

His stepfather said he went with Cort. The State's attorney was taken aback. Made me lol because I could tell he/she was flustered.

Why? Because they had heard he went by himself? Were they taken aback because they thought he lied under oath? Perhaps we will hear from Cort in the next trial?

 

[otto]

How do you know she has no memory of the event? What do you base that on?

The witness has a verified faulty memory. That was diagnosed when she was a child, and there has been no improvement. The brain injury was permanent. She recalled seeing a man that was 5 feet tall, she agreed with investigators that the 5 foot tall man looked like Jason. She added other details to help bolster her story, but nothing she said could be verified ... most likely because none of it was a true memory.

Eight years later, everyone's memory fades. If the ability to lay down memory was faulty to begin with, then eight years later tells me that there's very little, if anything, of the memory left. That's my opinion, of course. I suspect that with a little plodding, the witness will be encouraged to remember when the police visited her at the gas station and when she last testified in court, but that's not a memory of Jason.

Although it would be cruel, if I were the defense, I would absolutely destroy the witness and lay it at the feet of the prosecution for attempting to present someone like that as a reliable witness ... for attempting to put someone in prison for life on the basis of a mixed up statement from an unreliable witness.

 

[otto]

No, I am saying this is something that was overlooked. However, I still have not listened to the ME testimony about how someone found face down could have their blood pooled on their back.

That would suggest that the body was moved and the scene was staged some time after the murder.

 

[minor4th]

I remember the DA discussing why he went to the front desk a second time. They surmised that he got confused and took the wrong set of stairs to the first floor. He was forced to make an appearance there. Conjecture, yes but it was presented.

I think he got the newspaper so he could cover the camera with it while he was manipulating it - and not be seen on the camera