Jason Young to get new trial #3

[Nymeria]

It can be your opinion, but it is not fact. LF was accusing JY from the very beginning of murdering her daughter, something she is/was entitled to, btw, but how in the world could these accusations benefit CY in any way? How were both families supposed to "get along" under these conditions? It was a no-win situation and the only person getting hurt would be CY. She loved her Daddy and I am sure she loved her grandmom and aunt, but not like she loved her Daddy, the parent she was living with, the person everyone who testified to was a good father.......
And, it's not about offending you, its about what is going on right now. You mentioned finding the real killer or exculpatory evidence that would clear Jason. No one ever said that was the reason for his winning his appeal.

You have to take into account the situation.
If someone murdered someone close to me, and a child was with someone who could POSSIBLY have done it....even if there was a 0.999999999% chance of it, I would fight like hell to get that child away also.

Can we all admit most people would?

 

[MyBelle]

You have to take into account the situation.
If someone murdered someone close to me, and a child was with someone who could POSSIBLY have done it....even if there was a 0.999999999% chance of it, I would fight like hell to get that child away also.

Can we all admit most people would?

I think most people would act immediately as did Nancy Cooper's parents. Waiting until after the child moves to a new community and spends three years becoming attached to friends and family in her world is not acting in the best interest of the child. I think any child would be upset to be removed from all that was familiar and moved to a new city.

JMO

 

[sunshine05]

I think most people would act immediately as did Nancy Cooper's parents. Waiting until after the child moves to a new community and spends three years becoming attached to friends and family in her world is not acting in the best interest of the child. I think any child would be upset to be removed from all that was familiar and moved to a new city.

JMO

Brad was a good father. There was no reason for them to apply for emergency custody as there was no evidence that Brad harmed Nancy and no abuse in the relationship. The custody actions were damaging both to the girls being ripped from his arms and public perception of him for having them removed.

 

[Nymeria]

I think most people would act immediately as did Nancy Cooper's parents. Waiting until after the child moves to a new community and spends three years becoming attached to friends and family in her world is not acting in the best interest of the child. I think any child would be upset to be removed from all that was familiar and moved to a new city.

JMO

If it is possible her father murdered her mother, it is in her best interest to NOT be in his custody. Period. JMO!

 

[sunshine05]

I see that there's been a lot of discussion again about the custody situation and JY's decision not to participate in the custody suit.

I believe that Wake County LE uses civil suits to pressure people to talk and it is disgusting. In the Cooper case, Brad responded to the civil action and many, many people criticized him for subjecting himself to the intrusive deposition which was 7 hours long and he was questioned about every intimate detail of his personal life and clearly police gave the custody atty a list of questions to ask him. The entire thing was then put on the internet for all to see. Police then "updated" their notes when they noticed things that possibly conflicted with what they believed. What good did it do? By this time the Google files were likely already planted on his computer --- he was already framed and had no hope of winning the suit because an arrest was on the horizon.(jmo) It probably cost hundreds of thousands of dollars that could have gone toward his criminal defense.

So Jason opted out and he is criticized for not responding to the suit.

Did you know that in Brad's case, LE didn't share any discovery with Brad's attorneys before the hearing? They cited "We can't because of the ongoing investigation." but in JY's suit, they handed everything to the Fisher's attorneys and LE wrote affidavits stating that they believed he was guilty. It is all a game to them and everyday people can't win against the bully public officials who are willing to abuse their power to win convictions.

Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

I can tell you that if I lost my spouse and my inlaws were publicly accusing me of the murder (yes, there were articles), I wouldn't want my children around them either. Who would?!

One more thing --- Neither of these men have had their parental rights severed. They are still the fathers of these children and they have every hope of regaining full custody of them when they are acquitted and they will be.

 

[MyBelle]

I see that there's been a lot of discussion again about the custody situation and JY's decision not to participate in the custody suit.

I believe that Wake County LE uses civil suits to pressure people to talk and it is disgusting. In the Cooper case, Brad responded to the civil action and many, many people criticized him for subjecting himself to the intrusive deposition which was 7 hours long and he was questioned about every intimate detail of his personal life and clearly police gave the custody atty a list of questions to ask him. The entire thing was then put on the internet for all to see. Police then "updated" their notes when they noticed things that possibly conflicted with what they believed. What good did it do? By this time the Google files were likely already planted on his computer --- he was already framed and had no hope of winning the suit because an arrest was on the horizon.(jmo) It probably cost hundreds of thousands of dollars that could have gone toward his criminal defense.

So Jason opted out and he is criticized for not responding to the suit.

Did you know that in Brad's case, LE didn't share any discovery with Brad's attorneys before the hearing? They cited "We can't because of the ongoing investigation." but in JY's suit, they handed everything to the Fisher's attorneys and LE wrote affidavits stating that they believed he was guilty. It is all a game to them and everyday people can't win against the bully public officials who are willing to abuse their power to win convictions.

Damned if you do, damned if you don't.

I can tell you that if I lost my spouse and my inlaws were publicly accusing me of the murder (yes, there were articles), I wouldn't want my children around them either. Who would?!

One more thing --- Neither of these men have had their parental rights severed. They are still the fathers of these children and they have every hope of regaining full custody of them when they are acquitted and they will be.

BBM. I agree with you but these practices won't stop until the Judges demand it stop. I've lost track of the verdicts that have been overturned in North Carolina, the corrupt practices of the state crime lab, prosecutors. There sure has been a lot of it lately. My husband usually avoids crime shows but he watched Dateline last night and was totally shocked about the story of 6 people in New York wrongfully incarcerated for 18 years. All because of unprofessional, unethical investigators who wrote an account for an "eyewitness" who saw nothing but they wanted to quickly close the case. One of the defendants had a daughter 1-week old when he was arrested and is 18 now. He missed her entire young life of milestones and she, him. It's very sad that this continues to happen to young children.

JMO

 

[MyBelle]

Brad was a good father. There was no reason for them to apply for emergency custody as there was no evidence that Brad harmed Nancy and no abuse in the relationship. The custody actions were damaging both to the girls being ripped from his arms and public perception of him for having them removed.

It was very damaging to Brad. So bad his attorney wanted it sealed:


Nov. 3 motion to seal temporary custody order
Read more at http://www.wral.com/news/local/asset_gallery/3262584/#zGAcfiTRb5RseTMc.99

 

[minor4th]

Yeah, so what's with North Carolina? It does seem to have more than its share of corrupt prosecutors and questionable investigations.

 

[MyBelle]

If it is possible her father murdered her mother, it is in her best interest to NOT be in his custody. Period. JMO!

Three years after the murder is a tad late to be trying to place a "Period" or pretending to be acting in the best interest of a child but that's just my opinion.

 

[tarheellvr]

It is defamatory to claim as fact that JY killed his wife.

I don't contest the nature of the murder and the details of the attack. I ask how you know he did it. You have stated it as fact 3 times in a row, without stating that this is simply your opinion.

No, it is not....JY was named in a civil suit as the murderer of Michelle. He was charged with and convicted of the murder of Michelle and is serving life without parole.

 

[sunshine05]

Yeah, so what's with North Carolina? It does seem to have more than its share of corrupt prosecutors and questionable investigations.

It's happening everywhere but yes, NC is very corrupt. I have hope that some of this will go away when we get a new DA in Wake County.

 

[sunshine05]

No, it is not....JY was named in a civil suit as the murderer of Michelle. He was charged with and convicted of the murder of Michelle and is serving life without parole.

The conviction no longer exists. He is innocent again.

I guess this is a good example of how damaging the civil suit was in prejudicing the public. Judge Stephens did not have to issue a declaration when JY didn't respond. He could have waited until after the criminal proceedings. That would have been the proper thing to do.

 

[sunshine05]

It was very damaging to Brad. So bad his attorney wanted it sealed:


Nov. 3 motion to seal temporary custody order
Read more at http://www.wral.com/news/local/asset_gallery/3262584/#zGAcfiTRb5RseTMc.99

Of course it was. Everyone is going to think "Wow, they took the kids from him. They must have evidence that he's involved in the murder." It's a game to them to WIN. Who cares about justice and who cares about the truth?

 

[minor4th]

It's happening everywhere but yes, NC is very corrupt. I have hope that some of this will go away when we get a new DA in Wake County.

It's pretty bad in Texas too

 

[tarheellvr]

The conviction no longer exists. He is innocent again.

I guess this is a good example of how damaging the civil suit was in prejudicing the public. Judge Stephens did not have to issue a declaration when JY didn't respond. He could have waited until after the criminal proceedings. That would have been the proper thing to do.

http://webapps6.doc.state.nc.us/opi...turl=pagelistoffendersearchresults&listpage=1

Then why is JY still in prison.......an innocent man would not be incarcerated.

 

[tarheellvr]

Of course it was. Everyone is going to think "Wow, they took the kids from him. They must have evidence that he's involved in the murder." It's a game to them to WIN. Who cares about justice and who cares about the truth?

The Wake Co Sheriff's Office, the Wake Co District Attorney's Office care about justice.....just to name a few.

 

[tarheellvr]

Of course it was. Everyone is going to think "Wow, they took the kids from him. They must have evidence that he's involved in the murder." It's a game to them to WIN. Who cares about justice and who cares about the truth?

This forum is not about Brad Cooper. But since you brought it here, everyone did NOT think "Wow they took the kids from him."

MANY thought "Thank God the girls are in Canada with Krista and husband."

 

[tarheellvr]

The conviction no longer exists. He is innocent again.

I guess this is a good example of how damaging the civil suit was in prejudicing the public. Judge Stephens did not have to issue a declaration when JY didn't respond. He could have waited until after the criminal proceedings. That would have been the proper thing to do.

This IS NOT fact!!! JY is in prison, Alexander C.I. to be specific. I would appreciate your posting accurate information.

I can speak for others when saying "The Civil Suit did not sway our opinion at all as we formed an opinion as to JY's guilt way before this action!"

 

[Boodles]

The Wake Co Sheriff's Office, the Wake Co District Attorney's Office care about justice.....just to name a few.

I agree wholeheartedly. The Wake County sheriff department and Raleigh PD are outstanding, and do an amazing job at apprehending and prosecuting criminals. I'm very impressed with their detectives. The prosecutors' passion for justice is obvious. They have tough jobs and could make a lot more $ in private practice. I really admire them.

I'm not familiar with all the judges, but I have the utmost respect for Judge Donald Stephens.

 

[tarheellvr]

I agree wholeheartedly. The Wake County sheriff department and Raleigh PD are outstanding, and do an amazing job at apprehending and prosecuting criminals. I'm very impressed with their detectives. The prosecutors' passion for justice is obvious. They have tough jobs and could make a lot more $ in private practice. I really admire them.

I'm not familiar with all the judges, but I have the utmost respect for Judge Donald Stephens.

As do I.....especially in this case.