Jason Young to get new trial #4

[citygirl]

No, I see no link between that letter and the murder. No one is denying that he cheated on his wife. It doesn't make him a killer. The evidence just isn't there at all.

You see no link? It was 7 weeks before his wife was murdered! And he had violently attacked this woman. Are we to believe that he was bedding MM, hoping she would have his baby, telling his best friend that he was in love with her, spent HIS anniversary with her, detested his MIL, proclaiming his undying love to GC and his wife was conveniently murdered by someone else in a secluded, safe suburb while he was 160 miles away? What luck! It makes no sense. MOO.

 

[SteelerGirl43]

Thanks, and it helps separate rumors from the facts,. as well.

I agree

 

[PrimeSuspect]

If every post has to have a source then there's really no point to attempting a discussion. Might as well just watch the testimony, read the news articles, read whatever other documents WRAL has published, and call it a day.

If you're referring to the snippet about JY at Nursing School, of course it needs a link to the source, otherwise it is just an opinion or rumor or smear campaign. Your choice which you prefer.

 

[Glenn101]

Well, this is a discussion board. We are addressing the possible third trial of the defendant. Who dictates what we should address? I am reviewing the defendant's testimony and giving my OPINION on his dreadful behavior while married and before. He declares his love for his wife but actions speak louder than words, IMO. Obviously the present group of posters are focused on poking holes in every small detail. For instance, the shoe shine kit. Who found that? Why was that chosen out of all the things in JY's closet?

I was just making an observation about the thread. You have all of the right in the world to form any opinion that you wish about Jason Young and to talk about it to and with anyone who will listen. Jason's actions were pretty despicable in my opinion also. And the adverse opinions that have been formed from the revelations about Jason's infidelities have probably been the X factor in his conviction.

If there were a law against adultery and the like, I would have no problem with him being found guilty and punished to the full extent of the law. However, I am not for finding a person guilty based upon how unlikable he is.

Those infidelities are relevant only if they revealed that Jason wanted out of his marriage to be with one of those illicit lovers, but that does not appear to be the case.

I really do not know what point you were trying to make about the shoeshine kit. The LE were the ones who tested it and found DNA which did not match Jason Young. The LE were the ones who found the DNA on the jewelry box which did not match that of Jason Young. The LE were the ones that found the hair clutched in Michelle's hand which had been pulled out by the root, the DNA of which did not match Jason Young nor Michelle Young. They were the ones who selected the items to be tested. I am only commenting on what probable, rational conclusions can be drawn from that evidence.

I do not recall who found the cigarette butts with DNA that did not match that of Jason Young. But it also is pertinent, providing another bit of real forensic evidence that there were unknown people in the house that night and the probability that they were participants in the murder.

All of that is probable evidence of someone else besides Jason Young being the murderer. The hair is the closest thing anyone can find to proof positive that Jason was not the murderer. If that hair had of been Jason's, I would have no doubts that Jason was the murderer.

Glenn

 

[otto]

When I listen to police reports, I think about spousal murder cases in places like North Carolina, where police make up their minds before they understand evidence. Different angles are examined when a police force is open minded. Police in NC need to convince others that they didn't have tunnel vision. ... oops ... tangent ...

The fact that the prosecution, the forensic lab, and officers were in bed together as the innocent were convicted, for more than a decade will always be a stain on NC.

 

[Landonsmom02]

Again, he was a student. And it is not HIPPA it's HIPAA.

Talk about :banghead::banghead:

OMG>>>HIPAA....I was typing fast. Happy?

 

[Landonsmom02]

Says who? There is no link showing any such thing ever happened.

As I stated this was copied from an earlier thread in 2009...on this very forum. It came from an insider. A link wasn't needed then. I am not the original poster about this. I copied and pasted. If a link was needed it should have been asked when it was originally posted.

why is it you take everything JY says as the truth then don't believe someone, a fellow student, who has nothing to gain in regards to JY?

 

[Landonsmom02]

Why is that? There shouldn't be any problem posting links when discussing facts in a case. I have had to go search for links and testimony myself if and when something is challenged.Opinions don't need a link, but if someone is going to post something as fact, then there should be a link. Why is one side obligated to furnish a link more than the other?
Unless, there isn't any? Besides, even the Mods have asked us to supply them.

I am guessing there is no receipt showing a customer buying $20.00 of gas, and only getting $15.00.....

What do you want an actual picture of the reciept? Unless it was released to the public we have no way to post "a link". I supplied a link.....twice about the reciept. WRAL has both trials archived. Plus it was in testimony. Why are refusing to believe it. I feel like I'm back at IS/CCTV arguing with kittycats! I try and post and be civil but it's hard to do that here. So for the sake of not getting banned I will start reading only. Have a fun and safe 4th of July!

 

[sunshine05]

What do you want an actual picture of the reciept? Unless it was released to the public we have no way to post "a link". I supplied a link.....twice about the reciept. WRAL has both trials archived. Plus it was in testimony. Why are refusing to believe it. I feel like I'm back at IS/CCTV arguing with kittycats! I try and post and be civil but it's hard to do that here. So for the sake of not getting banned I will start reading only. Have a fun and safe 4th of July!

I think the point is that there is only a $15 transaction recorded at 5:27AM, nothing that shows that $20 cash was given to the cashier and the customer received $5 in change.

 

[citygirl]

I think the point is that there is only a $15 transaction recorded at 5:27AM, nothing that shows that $20 cash was given to the cashier and the customer received $5 in change.

The customer didn't receive $5.00 in change. He left. What is the point of this? Is this another move to discredit Gracie's testimony I can't figure out any other reason for this. You don't question the eyewitnesses that claim to have seen cars in the driveway. Even the one that was so close she could see a wedding band on the man's hand, in the dark no less. MOO

 

[citygirl]

What do you want an actual picture of the reciept? Unless it was released to the public we have no way to post "a link". I supplied a link.....twice about the reciept. WRAL has both trials archived. Plus it was in testimony. Why are refusing to believe it. I feel like I'm back at IS/CCTV arguing with kittycats! I try and post and be civil but it's hard to do that here. So for the sake of not getting banned I will start reading only. Have a fun and safe 4th of July!

Don't give up. Your posts are civil and very valuable. MOO.

 

[citygirl]

Another loving email exchange. It's about tailgating. He says he is more cognizant of CY's health in every sense, even more so than MY. She's struggling to get out of work on time, he feels a 4 hour window to tailgate is too short to get there late. Was he working at home? Sounds like it. He cuts her no slack. MOO.
http://www.wral.com/asset/specialre...46191/Oct._5_2006_email_to_Michelle_Young.PDF

 

[JusticeFever]

That is clearly not clear to me. (IMO)

It is equally clear to me that whoever killed Michelle was so angry and so pissed off , that it happened in the heat of a moment. It is not the kind of rage someone would have after driving 340 miles........Jason did not hate Michelle, he may not have treated her well, in fact, we know he didn't treat her well, but to kill her and risk spending his life in jail, was not in his plan either.
Which reminds me , if anyone ever needed an alibi than morning at the Hampton Inn, they would have drawn so much attention to themselves in a number of ways. They needed to not only been seen but to be remembered!!

JMO

 

[JusticeFever]

I think the point is that there is only a $15 transaction recorded at 5:27AM, nothing that shows that $20 cash was given to the cashier and the customer received $5 in change.

Omg, so all this time, all these years, and there is nothing to prove that JY just racked up $15.00 worth of gas and then drove off..........boggles. Where is the balance sheet from that day at the store, does it show a $5.00
overpayment on the gas pumps? It would have to. Gracie said she logged in $20.00 on the gas pump, so there has to be a $5.00 discrepancy for gas on her shift.
There is no other way around it.

 

[tarheellvr]

Yes, I am the one who has been referred to as saying I think JY is guilty and nothing will change my mind. Yes, I lived very close to Birchleaf and yes, I formed an intelligent and educated opinion based on all evidence presented at both trials. Everyone who lived nearby was in shock that something of this magnitude happened so close to home. I think everyone in the Raleigh area was affected in some way by this tragedy. A pregnant mother......a wife.....all the while her little daughter there, walking in her mother's blood. What could possibly be more horrible?

My opinion of guilt was/is based on the TOTALITY of the evidence. Not just the cameras, the doors, the blood splatter and print, the hushpuppy orbital print, Gracie's testimony, the closet and moving of Michelle, Cassidy's bathroom, Cassidy being left there, the hose running, Meredith's call to find her sister, JY's lack of cooperation, JY's lack of communication, etc. I also view Cassidy being kept from the Fishers, the lawsuits and JY being named the one who slaughtered Michelle, Jy handing over custody to avoid psyche exam and questions as VERY damaging to JY. As had been said, how unlucky can one man possibly be? ALL the trial testimony, especially JY's testimony, which he is locked into is what I feel will bring another guilty verdict in a third trial.

As I've stated, of course I read the all news.....most of wake co took the News & Observer. I watched the news, I read any and everything regarding Michelle's slaughter, and I viewed every minute of both trials and have also read everything related to the trials. Yes, I have discussed this case with various contemporaries, especially several attorneys and a judge in my family. Every single one has done as I have regarding the trial evidence and everyone feels as I do. JY, without mercy, slaughtered his pregnant wife and left his little daughter there for hours with her dead mother.

Of course I think JY's behavior is immature, horrendous, shocking, and extremely unpleasant. Does this make him guilty? Of course not, although I do feel his demeaning, degrading, and rude conduct towards Michelle says a lot about who he really is. He obviously had, without exception, no respect for Michelle before their marriage and during their marriage. All the comments defending his reprehensible behavior, both in a public and private setting, is beyond my realm of thinking. The negative comments regarding the Fishers was/is wrong on so many levels. To say Cassidy will grow up with no psychological issues is ludicrous. When the poster said Cassidy should not be with them along with they should just keep their mouths shut absolutely left me speechless. It is appalling and shocking the way Meredith and Mrs. Fisher have been referred to in this forum. They ARE NOT on trial here. JY is the ONLY one on trail.

Again, it is the TOTALITY of the evidence in which I say, without one single doubt, I believe JY took the life of his wife and unborn son. As said by the DA, all the evidence comes together and makes a circle. When you look at this circle of evidence, it is beyond my comprehensin how anyone could feel otherwise. Of course if you focus on one or two pieces of evidence, I can see how someone can view him as innocent. But again, it is the TOTALITY of the evidence that points to guilt. There is SO MUCH evidence and yes, a lot of it is circumstantial, but when all this evidence is viewed in it's totality, I feel it points to guilt.

I agree with "Landonsmom", I am goiing to do the same and just read here for a while. Continued postings has absolutely no effect here any more and is a waste of my time and effort. I don't like the direction this forum has taken and I hope when JY's third trial ensues, those posters who were here in the first two trials will return. There are several I really miss.

RIP Michelle Fisher Young...........

 

[JusticeFever]

No, I see no link between that letter and the murder. No one is denying that he cheated on his wife. It doesn't make him a killer. The evidence just isn't there at all.

Jason also talked about Michelle losing their baby in the emails, so while his character took a hit in the emails, they also helped. They showed he did care, and that he also stopped to help a stranger in an accident.

 

[JusticeFever]

What do you want an actual picture of the reciept? Unless it was released to the public we have no way to post "a link". I supplied a link.....twice about the reciept. WRAL has both trials archived. Plus it was in testimony. Why are refusing to believe it. I feel like I'm back at IS/CCTV arguing with kittycats! I try and post and be civil but it's hard to do that here. So for the sake of not getting banned I will start reading only. Have a fun and safe 4th of July!

An exhibit # for the receipt would be helpful, or the testimony where the receipt came in.
Did it show that someone paid $20.00 and only purchased $15.00 with a $5.00 credit applied somewhere on the register tape or books or daily tally/balance sheet? It would have to, if is was legit.

I am not a fan of kitty cats either... Have a great weekend, maybe a beach trip with a good book. I was always hoping someone would write or dedicate a book to Michelle.....wouldn't that be a good idea?

 

[SteelerGirl43]

An exhibit # for the receipt would be helpful, or the testimony where the receipt came in.
Did it show that someone paid $20.00 and only purchased $15.00 with a $5.00 credit applied somewhere on the register tape or books or daily tally/balance sheet? It would have to, if is was legit.

I am not a fan of kitty cats either... Have a great weekend, maybe a beach trip with a good book. I was always hoping someone would write or dedicate a book to Michelle.....wouldn't that be a good idea?

I agree.. There should be a balance sheet.. I love kitty cats.... I include JY in my prayers every night.. Praying that the truth finally comes out & hes set free... A man was just set free after spending 17 yrs in prison..The SC said a penicillin allergy couldn't be ruled out as the cause of death.


http://www.ktvn.com/story/25928276/nevada-man-free-after-17-years-prison-for-killing

 

[JusticeFever]

I agree.. There should be a balance sheet.. I love kitty cats.... I include JY in my prayers every night.. Praying that the truth finally comes out & hes set free... A man was just set free after spending 17 yrs in prison..The SC said a penicillin allergy couldn't be ruled out as the cause of death.


http://www.ktvn.com/story/25928276/nevada-man-free-after-17-years-prison-for-killing

Thanks for the link.......and we should all remember this one right from Raleigh, NC, Gregory Taylor.

http://www.wral.com/news/local/video/12323975/

Somewhere that $5.00 had to show up the day at 4 Bros. It could not be a tip, or anything even remotely like that. If $20.00 was the gas amount, and only $15.00 used, there was a gas overage, and would have to be adjusted by probably the store manager.
Now, if someone walked in and paid cash for $20.00 of merchandise and walked off without their $5.00 change, that is completely different..

Hey, here is a summer project as some of us set out for the highways this weekend....
Go to a gas station, pay $20.00 cash, only pump $15.00 and drive away. On the way back, stop at the same gas station,
and ask them what happened to your $5.00 !! Report back Monday!!

 

[citygirl]

Yes, I am the one who has been referred to as saying I think JY is guilty and nothing will change my mind. Yes, I lived very close to Birchleaf and yes, I formed an intelligent and educated opinion based on all evidence presented at both trials. Everyone who lived nearby was in shock that something of this magnitude happened so close to home. I think everyone in the Raleigh area was affected in some way by this tragedy. A pregnant mother......a wife.....all the while her little daughter there, walking in her mother's blood. What could possibly be more horrible?

My opinion of guilt was/is based on the TOTALITY of the evidence. Not just the cameras, the doors, the blood splatter and print, the hushpuppy orbital print, Gracie's testimony, the closet and moving of Michelle, Cassidy's bathroom, Cassidy being left there, the hose running, Meredith's call to find her sister, JY's lack of cooperation, JY's lack of communication, etc. I also view Cassidy being kept from the Fishers, the lawsuits and JY being named the one who slaughtered Michelle, Jy handing over custody to avoid psyche exam and questions as VERY damaging to JY. As had been said, how unlucky can one man possibly be? ALL the trial testimony, especially JY's testimony, which he is locked into is what I feel will bring another guilty verdict in a third trial.

As I've stated, of course I read the all news.....most of wake co took the News & Observer. I watched the news, I read any and everything regarding Michelle's slaughter, and I viewed every minute of both trials and have also read everything related to the trials. Yes, I have discussed this case with various contemporaries, especially several attorneys and a judge in my family. Every single one has done as I have regarding the trial evidence and everyone feels as I do. JY, without mercy, slaughtered his pregnant wife and left his little daughter there for hours with her dead mother.

Of course I think JY's behavior is immature, horrendous, shocking, and extremely unpleasant. Does this make him guilty? Of course not, although I do feel his demeaning, degrading, and rude conduct towards Michelle says a lot about who he really is. He obviously had, without exception, no respect for Michelle before their marriage and during their marriage. All the comments defending his reprehensible behavior, both in a public and private setting, is beyond my realm of thinking. The negative comments regarding the Fishers was/is wrong on so many levels. To say Cassidy will grow up with no psychological issues is ludicrous. When the poster said Cassidy should not be with them along with they should just keep their mouths shut absolutely left me speechless. It is appalling and shocking the way Meredith and Mrs. Fisher have been referred to in this forum. They ARE NOT on trial here. JY is the ONLY one on trail.

Again, it is the TOTALITY of the evidence in which I say, without one single doubt, I believe JY took the life of his wife and unborn son. As said by the DA, all the evidence comes together and makes a circle. When you look at this circle of evidence, it is beyond my comprehensin how anyone could feel otherwise. Of course if you focus on one or two pieces of evidence, I can see how someone can view him as innocent. But again, it is the TOTALITY of the evidence that points to guilt. There is SO MUCH evidence and yes, a lot of it is circumstantial, but when all this evidence is viewed in it's totality, I feel it points to guilt.

I agree with "Landonsmom", I am goiing to do the same and just read here for a while. Continued postings has absolutely no effect here any more and is a waste of my time and effort. I don't like the direction this forum has taken and I hope when JY's third trial ensues, those posters who were here in the first two trials will return. There are several I really miss.

RIP Michelle Fisher Young...........

Bravo. Could not have said it any better. Thanks.