Jason Young to get new trial #4

[otto]

Can her bedside table be seen in any photo to see if her glasses are there?

I didn't find any photos of the bedside table on Michelle's side of the bed. There is a pair of glasses on Jason's dresser, but they look like sunglasses. In the mirror, it's possible to see Michelle's bedside table in the reflection.

 

[otto]

her bedside table is on that Dateline video but I don't know how to capture it and post it.

To capture a screen shot, you can hit the Prt Scn key on the keypad (usually above the number pad). If using a laptop, you may have to hold the Fcn key, and then hit the Prt Scn key. That copies the image. You can open a word doc, and then right click --> paste, or type Control V to paste.

After that, I don't know about saving the image. I always paste straight into Photoshop. You can paste the image into any image editing software ... create a new file, and paste.

It might be slightly different with a MAC ... window key instead of Control key?

To post the image, scroll down in the comment to the "attachment" option. Let me know if that helps.

 

[Grammy Jean]

By golly, you're right! Thanx! I can't believe they offered that guy a deal. Yet another travesty of justice.

JMO

I am just curious about what testimony, evidence etc convinced you beyond a reasonable doubt that Raven was guilty (I do also believe this) but since we are on opposite sides of the JY case would be interested to hear your views are in the RA case.

 

[otto]

This looks like black eye glasses case.

http://www.wral.com/specialreports/michelleyoung/image_gallery/9727548/

There doesn't appear to be glasses on her bedside table.



MY was found on the left-side of the bed, is that correct? This was JY's side of the bed? TIA

Yes. I wondered that too, and then realized that Michelle's jewelry box was on Jason's dresser on his side of the bed.

 

[otto]

They had to come up with a theory that matched to Jason so that a Judge would agree to the search warrant. They removed several boards so I believe they also were looking for blood, not just prints. If they'd open their minds a little they would realize the killer intentionally avoided leaving their own bloody DNA throughout the rest of the house. They did that by removing their shoes before they left the room. I think they also took the murder weapon.

A necessary reason to return to the house was to measure the bathroom tiles. They had photos, but they had forgotten to assign a scale (put a ruler on the floor beside the print) to the photo. They had to go back so they could figure out the size of the child's footprints. Are they 8 inch tiles?

If the perp removed his shoes when he left the bedroom, what is responsible for the prints on the carpet between the master bedroom and the child's bedroom. Was the child carried to the door of the bathroom by someone in bare feet ... and perhaps the door was closed? There is blood on the wall behind the door, so the door was closed at some point.

 

[otto]

Update with path between master bedroom and child's bedroom.

 

[otto]

On the 911 call, did Meredith say that she moved Michelle, or that she moved the pillow? The operator was fairly insistant that she try to move her. Didn't Meredith said that she was cold and that she couldn't move her? Could that have anything to do with livor?

 

[PrimeSuspect]

On the 911 call, did Meredith say that she moved Michelle, or that she moved the pillow? The operator was fairly insistant that she try to move her. Didn't Meredith said that she was cold and that she couldn't move her? Could that have anything to do with livor?

That's what I was thinking too otto, the 911 operator was trying to get MF to turn the body over, it seemed like she may have attempted it but said the body was cold, 911 then left it at that, verifying MY was indeed dead. jmo

 

[otto]

That's what I was thinking too otto, the 911 operator was trying to get MF to turn the body over, it seemed like she may have attempted it but said the body was cold, 911 then left it at that, verifying MY was indeed dead. jmo

Is there posterior livor mortis, yet she was found facing down, front of her body towards the floor? If Meredith moved her, or rolled her over as she was asked to do, but that would mean that Meredith rolled her into that position, and that doesn't make any sense. If there is posterior blood pooling and she was found facing the floor, then it seems that she was rolled over after rigor mortis set ... perhaps four hours later?

If she was murdered closer to midnight, all the lights were on at the house between 4 and 5AM, and a vehicle was seen at the house and at the end of the driveway afterward, then it's possible that the body was moved ... perhaps to retrieve the rings. During trial, were crime scene photos and body position only available to the jury? Was there a drawing of the position of the body?

 

[PrimeSuspect]

Is there posterior livor mortis, yet she was found facing down, front of her body towards the floor? If Meredith moved her, or rolled her over as she was asked to do, but that would mean that Meredith rolled her into that position, and that doesn't make any sense. If there is posterior blood pooling and she was found facing the floor, then it seems that she was rolled over after rigor mortis set ... perhaps four hours later?

If she was murdered closer to midnight, all the lights were on at the house between 4 and 5AM, and a vehicle was seen at the house and at the end of the driveway afterward, then it's possible that the body was moved ... perhaps to retrieve the rings. During trial, were crime scene photos and body position only available to the jury? Was there a drawing of the position of the body?

Meredith mentioned MY was twisted up so I think her top half facing floor her bottom half twisted slightly up, maybe caught up in bed sheet?

You get her on her back for me

She’s kinda…..twisted in a way that I can’t do that

You can’t roll her over?

Not easily

You’re gonna have to try

Hang on let me, I’m trying to see if I can get her pulse

We’re gotta try to do CPR if we can get her on her back Meredith

No she’s so cold

She’s cold?

Yeah (911: ok alright) and her body is stiff (note: signs of rigor mortis set/still setting in.)

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-45019.html

You're saying the intruders came back? Yes, that's what I think too. jmo

 

[otto]

Meredith mentioned MY was twisted up so I think her top half facing floor her bottom half twisted slightly up, maybe caught up in bed sheet?


"You get her on her back for me
She’s kinda…..twisted in a way that I can’t do that
You can’t roll her over?
Not easily
You’re gonna have to try
Hang on let me, I’m trying to see if I can get her pulse
We’re gotta try to do CPR if we can get her on her back Meredith
No she’s so cold
She’s cold?
Yeah (911: ok alright) and her body is stiff (note: signs of rigor mortis set/still setting in.)"


http://www.websleuths.com/forums/archive/index.php/t-45019.html

You're saying the intruders came back? Yes, that's what I think too. jmo

Thank you for finding that segment of the 911 call! That the intruders returned is one explanation for the inconsistency in the autopsy report and position of the body.

Just so I'm clear, is the blood pooling on the back, and she was facing forward ... but twisted?

 

[otto]

I hope that Jason's daughter is in something like a Waldorf school where computers are not allowed except with limited use and maximum supervision until grade 10.

 

[PrimeSuspect]

I hope that Jason's daughter is in something like a Waldorf school where computers are not allowed except with limited use and maximum supervision until grade 10.

Yes, I agree, definitely not like the old days where kids were spared gruesome details about family member murders. The internet is a great tool but can cause endless heartache when it's personal. jmo

We discuss things here and are detached, well I try to be.

 

[otto]

Regarding the dog, I have large breed dogs and if something really freaks them out, whether they're outside or inside, they'll come running. What I don't know is whether they run to me to protect me, or because they are afraid.

Mr G ran away from Meredith (rather than run to her because he was afraid), but still the dog ran. Meredith apparently looked after the child until she was a year old (something like that). Why did the dog run from her? Didn't the dog know her and didn't the large breed dog want to alert her to trouble in the home? Why didn't the dog want to guide her up the stairs. Wasn't the dog part Golden Retriever? Sure the dog had to go out, but animals are usually more instinctive. Was Mr G an old dog? My dogs are watch dogs, so they come to me to alert and protect.

 

[otto]

Yes, I agree, definitely not like the old days where kids were spared gruesome details about family member murders. The internet is a great tool but can cause endless heartache when it's personal. jmo

We discuss things here and are detached, well I try to be.

If Jason's daughter has any exposure to the internet, or is in an environment where her classmates have exposure to the internet, then it will be difficult to shield her. The Waldorf school provides an old fashioned education with a couple of language, some common sense, diversity in learning, and a well rounded foundation for learning. I have nothing to do with the Waldorf school pedagogy, it's just the only educational school of thought that I know is cautious about stages of learning.

 

[otto]

Maybe it would be an idea to make the discussion "members only".

 

[PrimeSuspect]

Thank you for finding that segment of the 911 call! That the intruders returned is one explanation for the inconsistency in the autopsy report and position of the body.

Just so I'm clear, is the blood pooling on the back, and she was facing forward ... but twisted?

I'm looking at MY autopsy report, can't find the relevant information.

But that's right, if her bottom half was twisted to face upwards while her face and chest are facing the floor, she would have posterior livor mortis to a certain extent. jmo

 

[PrimeSuspect]

Maybe it would be an idea to make the discussion "members only".

Yes good idea otto.

 

[otto]

I'm looking at MY autopsy report, can't find the relevant information.

But that's right, if her bottom half was twisted to face upwards while her face and chest are facing the floor, she would have posterior livor mortis to a certain extent. jmo

Without having autopsy photos or a drawing to look at, the posterior livor mortis could be explained by her sliding out of the bed and landing on the floor with her upper body turned and her face towards the floor.

I noticed that there was a lot of blood in the bed. For some reason, I was under the impression that the attack occurred while she was awake, or at least alert enough to fight off a strangulation ... able to defend herself. From the blood on the sheets, it looks like she was bleeding in the bed, which makes me wonder how she could be twisted in the sheets, with blood in the bed, and her teeth avulsed under the bed ... was she hit in the bed, strangled in the bed and then she slid onto the floor, or attacked in the bed but able to fight off her attacker and get out of the bed. Did she fall to the floor into the narrow space between the bed and the closets, and it was still possible to hit her on the back of the head until she avulsed her teeth?

That sounds like an extremely viscious attack that started on the bed and continued well after she was completely incapacitated. Was the first strike a blow to the head, then strangulation, then the weapon again?

 

[otto]

What was that about one of the witnesses claiming to have celiac disease?


Common Symptoms of Celiac Disease:

Iron deficiency
Bone or joint pain
Arthritis
Depression or anxiety
Bone loss or osteoporosis
Tingling numbness in hands and feet
Seizures
Erratic menstrual periods
Dermatitis herpetiformis
Mouth sores

It sounds gruesome. I hope the witness is feeling better soon. Did she actually come forward and state that she had these syptoms during the mistrial and the appealed trial? How did those syptoms affect her judgment?