Jason Young to get new trial #4

[SStarr33]

From the second link

Reviewing historic judicial practices and court decisions in Ohio and other states, the Chief Justice observed that juror questioning of witnesses was an approved practice as early as 1895, and that "by 1930, the Supreme Courts of Illinois, Missouri, North Carolina, South Carolina, Kentucky, Pennsylvania and Oklahoma had approved the practice…or concluded that the practice did not constitute reversible error." In contrast, he noted, only two states, Texas and Minnesota, currently hold that juror questioning is judicial error sufficient in and of itself to overturn a trial court decision.

 

[SStarr33]

We really need some legal help with this one. Heaven help us if we have to do Grant and Amanda Hayes again!!!!!

LOL, never heard of them. Was it long?

 

[Grammy Jean]

LOL, never heard of them. Was it long?

It was just very gruesome. They disremembered the body of Grant's ex girlfriend's body. They then took the body parts to Texas and disposed the dismembered body in Texas on the property of Amanda's sister. Very very gruesome

 

[SStarr33]

Listening to Agent Remy, she said there were several hairs submitted that were longer than MYs, but she does not say who they belonged to. Does anyone know if they ever figured this out?

 

[sunshine05]

It sounds like the Judge can allow questions but I have never seen a case in NC where questions were allowed. Indiana is a state that allows juror questions. They are written and submitted to the Judge and attorneys on both sides for review before the questions are formally asked.

The David Camm trial (Indiana) had many questions. I started documenting them during the trial but never finished. http://stopwrongfulconvictions.wordpress.com/2013/10/18/jury-questions-david-camm-trial-3/

I really liked seeing what the jurors were thinking throughout. I wish more states would routinely allow questions.

Here's another link with information about each state.
https://www.ajs.org/judicial-admini...questions-witnesses/juror-questions-statutes/

 

[sunshine05]

Listening to Agent Remy, she said there were several hairs submitted that were longer than MYs, but she does not say who they belonged to. Does anyone know if they ever figured this out?

There were approximately 50 hairs. They need the root for DNA testing and I believe they had that with about 9 of the 50 and DNA confirmed they were MY's hairs.

 

[Grammy Jean]

It sounds like the Judge can allow questions but I have never seen a case in NC where questions were allowed. Indiana is a state that allows juror questions. They are written and submitted to the Judge and attorneys on both sides for review before the questions are formally asked.

The David Camm trial (Indiana) had many questions. I started documenting them during the trial but never finished. http://stopwrongfulconvictions.wordpress.com/2013/10/18/jury-questions-david-camm-trial-3/

I really liked seeing what the jurors were thinking throughout. I wish more states would routinely allow questions.

Here's another link with information about each state.
https://www.ajs.org/judicial-admini...questions-witnesses/juror-questions-statutes/

I agree with you. I loved hearing the juror questions in the Jodi Arias case, it gave you a glimpse of at least how some jurors were viewing the evidence.

 

[tarheellvr]

Why would someone use baby wipes when they could just grab a towel? Did you see the amount of blood from the footprints in the bathroom? And, SS testified in court that they were the same exact pajamas she saw MIchelle put on CY at bedtime....

Maybe he did, as I said, use towels. But I also think baby wipes were used too because they are handy, children;s feet, hands, etc are little. Yes, she did testify the looked liked the same pajamas. My point was Cassidy could have 2 pairs alike. When mine were little, I would always have duplicate pairs of the little Carter's pajamas because because it helps to have lot of extra pajamas. If the were lexactly ike the same pajamas, nobody can state 100% they were the same pair or not.

I think JY disposed of all towels, wipes, paper towels, etc "somewhere" along the way back to HI.

 

[JusticeFever]

In all of this, the prosecutors need to produce some evidence that Jason Young was there that night. A camera recording him buying gasoline between Hillsville and Raleigh. Any of the clothes he was seen wearing that night with blood on them. The Hushpuppies and/or Franklins with blood on them. Something that would rise beyond the level of conjecture or suspicion.

I do not know whether Jason is guilty or not. I was not there to witness that crime. I will not flat out say that he is innocent. But at this point, there is no direct or even indirect evidence that will put Jason in that house that night or anywhere near Raleigh.

That is my stumbling block right now.

Glenn

But, they did have an eye witness who remembered Jason got into her face and yelled at her and yet they did not make an arrest. What more could they possibly need than the statement of someone who saw JY at 5:30 that morning, when he should have been miles away and sleeping?

 

[JusticeFever]

LOL, never heard of them. Was it long?

Starr, that was a horrible case, Grant and Amanda Hayes, they killed Laura Ackerson, she was a beautiful Mom of 2 small children and they should be on Death Row.

 

[SStarr33]

Maybe he did, as I said, use towels. But I also think baby wipes were used too because they are handy, children;s feet, hands, etc are little. Yes, she did testify the looked liked the same pajamas. My point was Cassidy could have 2 pairs alike. When mine were little, I would always have duplicate pairs of the little Carter's pajamas because because it helps to have lot of extra pajamas. If the were lexactly ike the same pajamas, nobody can state 100% they were the same pair or not.

I think JY disposed of all towels, wipes, paper towels, etc "somewhere" along the way back to HI.

Did they prove that CY had duplicate pjs?

 

[JusticeFever]

Not if the killer had on gloves.

No way of knowing if the killer wore gloves, just a theory.
And, what about their arms, face, or any other part of their body?
Because, Jason sure did not show any signs of being part of any brutal attack.

 

[Grammy Jean]

Did they prove that CY had duplicate pjs?

Did they prove someone washed the pjs? I think each argument has equal weight. I think it is reasonable to think she "could have" had duplicate pjs, many little girls do. It would make sense after someone cleaned up CY, (IMO it was JY) and then put on duplicate pjs. The trace amount of blood was found only on the bottom of the pjs and not visible to the eye. If we look at the bloody footprints of CY in the bathroom it is apparent that at some point she lay on the floor and made footprints on the wall. I think that trace amount of the blood that was on her bottom was not thoroughly cleaned and that is why it was found only on the bottom of duplicate pjs. IMO
The other argument is someone washed the pjs. That is also a "could have" argument.

 

[JusticeFever]

Maybe he did, as I said, use towels. But I also think baby wipes were used too because they are handy, children;s feet, hands, etc are little. Yes, she did testify the looked liked the same pajamas. My point was Cassidy could have 2 pairs alike. When mine were little, I would always have duplicate pairs of the little Carter's pajamas because because it helps to have lot of extra pajamas. If the were lexactly ike the same pajamas, nobody can state 100% they were the same pair or not.

I think JY disposed of all towels, wipes, paper towels, etc "somewhere" along the way back to HI.

But where? I don't think anyone would drive very far with bloody evidence in their SUV that would tie them to a murder.

 

[JusticeFever]

Did they prove that CY had duplicate pjs?

No, and I don't think the killer would take the time to find a matching pair. I think they would just grab anything that was clean. And, sometime later, somehow, we know CY had those little shoes in the bed, even though they were mismatched to prevent her from walking in the blood again.

 

[Grammy Jean]

No, and I don't think the killer would take the time to find a matching pair. I think they would just grab anything that was clean. And, sometime later, somehow, we know CY had those little shoes in the bed, even though they were mismatched to prevent her from walking in the blood again.

I think this is the crux of our disagreements about who we believe was the killer. Why would any random killer wash CY and her pjs? JY certainly would not have time to launder her pjs. But what I believe he did do quickly is wash her and put on the duplicate pjs. So then if not JY who then would take time to do this? I think that is the exact reason many of you believe another person ( She who will not be named) was the guilty party.

 

[SStarr33]

Did they prove someone washed the pjs? I think each argument has equal weight. I think it is reasonable to think she "could have" had duplicate pjs, many little girls do. It would make sense after someone cleaned up CY, (IMO it was JY) and then put on duplicate pjs. The trace amount of blood was found only on the bottom of the pjs and not visible to the eye. If we look at the bloody footprints of CY in the bathroom it is apparent that at some point she lay on the floor and made footprints on the wall. I think that trace amount of the blood that was on her bottom was not thoroughly cleaned and that is why it was found only on the bottom of duplicate pjs. IMO
The other argument is someone washed the pjs. That is also a "could have" argument.

State has the burden of proof.

 

[JusticeFever]

I think this is the crux of our disagreements about who we believe was the killer. Why would any random killer wash CY and her pjs? JY certainly would not have time to launder her pjs. But what I believe he did do quickly is wash her and put on the duplicate pjs. So then if not JY who then would take time to do this? I think that is the exact reason many of you believe another person ( She who will not be named) was the guilty party.

But, it's more than just the pj's, its how to account for all the hours CY was alone, and if she was all alone why wasn't she crying, upset, or hungry and thirsty when found?

And, which theory is true? Was she drugged or taken from the home? And, how did she get her shoes and when? And, I am pretty sure her socks were never collected, and yet how does she get cleaned up and still have enough blood on her right foot to make an impression in a shoe?

And, what did she do all those hours she was alone? And, not get into anything?

And,what about the dog? Wouldn't Mr. G find his way to CY at some point or the other way around? There are just too many things that don't add up. The car in the driveway at 5:30 am is the exact same time Jason is believed to be in King, NC, if the eye witness is to believed. Who were the 2 people in the car and what were they doing there? It's too much of a coincidence that they were there that morning, the day a murder happened.

 

[SStarr33]

But, it's more than just the pj's, its how to account for all the hours CY was alone, and if she was all alone why wasn't she crying, upset, or hungry and thirsty when found?

And, which theory is true? Was she drugged or taken from the home? And, how did she get her shoes and when? And, I am pretty sure her socks were never collected, and yet how does she get cleaned up and still have enough blood on her right foot to make an impression in a shoe?

And, what did she do all those hours she was alone? And, not get into anything?

And,what about the dog? Wouldn't Mr. G find his way to CY at some point or the other way around? There are just too many things that don't add up. The car in the driveway at 5:30 am is the exact same time Jason is believed to be in King, NC, if the eye witness is to believed. Who were the 2 people in the car and what were they doing there? It's too much of a coincidence that they were there that morning, the day a murder happened.

Coincidences only count when they favor the prosecution.

 

[JusticeFever]

Coincidences only count when they favor the prosecution.

Well, it's just too much to believe that a little girl and a dog were left alone for 10-11 hours and there is not a single trace of anything that they did that whole time......