Jason Young to get new trial #4

[Glenn101]

It's hard to produce clothes,shoes,murder weapon when it has been disposed of. No link to him being there? What is your opinion on the HP print found at the crime scene that matched a pair of shoes JY onced owned and was believed to be wearing said shoes that night?

Yes, it is hard to find things that have been disposed of. But it is still the job of the prosecution to provide that evidence. Just how and when the would be evidence has been disposed of is something the prosecution needs ascertain and present. The search for the clothes, hushpuppies, etc did not happen until something like three years after the incident. Unless the prosecution can prove otherwise, Jason's account of what he thinks happened to those hushpuppies is plausible and has to stand. Now, if it were proven that Jason's pair of hushpuppies were extremely rare, it would put a different light on the subject. But there are several models that it could have been. I don't know how popular hushpuppies were at the time of the murder, but they were definitely not rare. It is putting the shoe on the wrong foot (bad pun intended) to have Jason have to prove his innocence, to produce something that he just may not know how to find any longer. It is up to the prosecution to find that evidence. Anything else is just opinion and conjecture.

This is where the presumption of innocence comes in. If a person has made up their minds that Jason committed the crime, they will fit the evidence, lack of it, and narrative to fit their beliefs. I.E., jason at one time had a pair of hushpuppies, size twelve. Footprints from a pair of size twelve hushpuppies were found at the scene of the crime. Jason cannot produce the hushpuppies. Ergo, Jason must have disposed of them. The presumption of innocence notes that the hushpuppies could have been one of several models. Information has not been provided, that I am aware of, that huspuppies were not very popular and that especially size twelve pups are really rare. The prosecution needs to produce something. But no one has ever found any shoes or other clothing that Jason was supposed to be wearing. The presumption of evidence sides with Jason, in this case.

I am not going to try to argue with anyone who has made up their mind. it is not productive, because it just boils down to opinions. Such as, who would have cleaned up Cassidy. That is somesthing I don't know. What I do know is that it is very unusual for a two and one half year old to go for nine hours without urinating several times or defecating maybe once. That si an unexplained anomaly which I haven't fitted into any ration picture right yet. I don't have enough information.

As I have previously noted, I am big on evidence and small on conjecture.

Glenn

 

[sunshine05]

Yes, it is hard to find things that have been disposed of. But it is still the job of the prosecution to provide that evidence. Just how and when the would be evidence has been disposed of is something the prosecution needs ascertain and present. The search for the clothes, hushpuppies, etc did not happen until something like three years after the incident. Unless the prosecution can prove otherwise, Jason's account of what he thinks happened to those hushpuppies is plausible and has to stand. Now, if it were proven that Jason's pair of hushpuppies were extremely rare, it would put a different light on the subject. But there are several models that it could have been. I don't know how popular hushpuppies were at the time of the murder, but they were definitely not rare. It is putting the shoe on the wrong foot (bad pun intended) to have Jason have to prove his innocence, to produce something that he just may not know how to find any longer. It is up to the prosecution to find that evidence. Anything else is just opinion and conjecture.

This is where the presumption of innocence comes in. If a person has made up their minds that Jason committed the crime, they will fit the evidence, lack of it, and narrative to fit their beliefs. I.E., jason at one time had a pair of hushpuppies, size twelve. Footprints from a pair of size twelve hushpuppies were found at the scene of the crime. Jason cannot produce the hushpuppies. Ergo, Jason must have disposed of them. The presumption of innocence notes that the hushpuppies could have been one of several models. Information has not been provided, that I am aware of, that huspuppies were not very popular and that especially size twelve pups are really rare. The prosecution needs to produce something. But no one has ever found any shoes or other clothing that Jason was supposed to be wearing. The presumption of evidence sides with Jason, in this case.

I am not going to try to argue with anyone who has made up their mind. it is not productive, because it just boils down to opinions. Such as, who would have cleaned up Cassidy. That is somesthing I don't know. What I do know is that it is very unusual for a two and one half year old to go for nine hours without urinating several times or defecating maybe once. That si an unexplained anomaly which I haven't fitted into any ration picture right yet. I don't have enough information.

As I have previously noted, I am big on evidence and small on conjecture.

Glenn

Even if the shoes were very rare and he couldn't produce them, that still leaves the possibility that someone planted the print there because oddly it seemed that both closets were in disarray and in particular shoe boxes were on the floor in MY's closet.

The State needed to show some evidence that JY was there that night and it doesn't have to be limited to the shoes. They checked for carpet fiber transfer from the HI to their home and there weren't any. One would expect to find something. Scratches on the body (I know, he "could have" worn gloves), blood in the Explorer, his hair found near the body. Anything like that would have been a good indication that he went back that night. It simply doesn't exist and I will never get away from the gas purchases. There should have been evidence of a fill-up in VA that night or he would have never made it. It just does not work for me.

 

[JusticeFever]

I just want to know what CY and Mr. G did all night long and until 1:30 the next afternoon, Jason called the house that am, what did CY do when she heard his voice leaving a message on the answering machine?
Wouldn't she try to answer, wouldn't she want to talk to her Daddy?

 

[citygirl]

I didn't say she was attacked while on the TM, I said she may have heard something. Why else would the TM and the tv be on?

Well, you didn't say that. You said she was on the treadmill when he came in. Are you saying she then got in bed and waited for him? This doesn't make sense, IMO.

 

[citygirl]

Hmmmm....I wonder if those judges in NC told the jurors they could ask questions. Is that reversible error?

One would think that would come in during the appeal.

 

[citygirl]

But, they did have an eye witness who remembered Jason got into her face and yelled at her and yet they did not make an arrest. What more could they possibly need than the statement of someone who saw JY at 5:30 that morning, when he should have been miles away and sleeping?

Let's think about that. Look at how Gracie has been trashed by the NG's . They needed to put the pieces of the puzzle together. Gracie was interviewed only a few days after the crime. How much evidence had they acquired up until then? Wasn't she initially interviewed on Nov. 5th?

 

[citygirl]

No way of knowing if the killer wore gloves, just a theory.
And, what about their arms, face, or any other part of their body?
Because, Jason sure did not show any signs of being part of any brutal attack.

I wonder if he had any injuries after he attacked Jennifer Cargol? Was that ever mentioned?

 

[citygirl]

No, and I don't think the killer would take the time to find a matching pair. I think they would just grab anything that was clean. And, sometime later, somehow, we know CY had those little shoes in the bed, even though they were mismatched to prevent her from walking in the blood again.

This confuses me. What do you mean the shoes were to prevent her from walking in the blood again?

 

[SStarr33]

Yes, it is hard to find things that have been disposed of. But it is still the job of the prosecution to provide that evidence. Just how and when the would be evidence has been disposed of is something the prosecution needs ascertain and present. The search for the clothes, hushpuppies, etc did not happen until something like three years after the incident. Unless the prosecution can prove otherwise, Jason's account of what he thinks happened to those hushpuppies is plausible and has to stand. Now, if it were proven that Jason's pair of hushpuppies were extremely rare, it would put a different light on the subject. But there are several models that it could have been. I don't know how popular hushpuppies were at the time of the murder, but they were definitely not rare. It is putting the shoe on the wrong foot (bad pun intended) to have Jason have to prove his innocence, to produce something that he just may not know how to find any longer. It is up to the prosecution to find that evidence. Anything else is just opinion and conjecture.

This is where the presumption of innocence comes in. If a person has made up their minds that Jason committed the crime, they will fit the evidence, lack of it, and narrative to fit their beliefs. I.E., jason at one time had a pair of hushpuppies, size twelve. Footprints from a pair of size twelve hushpuppies were found at the scene of the crime. Jason cannot produce the hushpuppies. Ergo, Jason must have disposed of them. The presumption of innocence notes that the hushpuppies could have been one of several models. Information has not been provided, that I am aware of, that huspuppies were not very popular and that especially size twelve pups are really rare. The prosecution needs to produce something. But no one has ever found any shoes or other clothing that Jason was supposed to be wearing. The presumption of evidence sides with Jason, in this case.

I am not going to try to argue with anyone who has made up their mind. it is not productive, because it just boils down to opinions. Such as, who would have cleaned up Cassidy. That is somesthing I don't know. What I do know is that it is very unusual for a two and one half year old to go for nine hours without urinating several times or defecating maybe once. That si an unexplained anomaly which I haven't fitted into any ration picture right yet. I don't have enough information.

As I have previously noted, I am big on evidence and small on conjecture.

Glenn

Additionally, Morrow (pretty sure that was her name), that the print was not necessarily from a size 12 shoe.

 

[SStarr33]

Even if the shoes were very rare and he couldn't produce them, that still leaves the possibility that someone planted the print there because oddly it seemed that both closets were in disarray and in particular shoe boxes were on the floor in MY's closet.

The State needed to show some evidence that JY was there that night and it doesn't have to be limited to the shoes. They checked for carpet fiber transfer from the HI to their home and there weren't any. One would expect to find something. Scratches on the body (I know, he "could have" worn gloves), blood in the Explorer, his hair found near the body. Anything like that would have been a good indication that he went back that night. It simply doesn't exist and I will never get away from the gas purchases. There should have been evidence of a fill-up in VA that night or he would have never made it. It just does not work for me.

All that sticky blood and no fibers of any sort to tie JY to the scene. I wonder if there were other unidentified fibers.

 

[SStarr33]

Well, you didn't say that. You said she was on the treadmill when he came in. Are you saying she then got in bed and waited for him? This doesn't make sense, IMO.

I said I wondered if she heard something when she was on the treadmill.

 

[SStarr33]

One would think that would come in during the appeal.

We were joking.

 

[Glenn101]

Even if the shoes were very rare and he couldn't produce them, that still leaves the possibility that someone planted the print there because oddly it seemed that both closets were in disarray and in particular shoe boxes were on the floor in MY's closet.

The State needed to show some evidence that JY was there that night and it doesn't have to be limited to the shoes. They checked for carpet fiber transfer from the HI to their home and there weren't any. One would expect to find something. Scratches on the body (I know, he "could have" worn gloves), blood in the Explorer, his hair found near the body. Anything like that would have been a good indication that he went back that night. It simply doesn't exist and I will never get away from the gas purchases. There should have been evidence of a fill-up in VA that night or he would have never made it. It just does not work for me.

Were any fibers from his home or the Hampton Inn in Hillsville found in his SUV???

Thanks,
Glenn

 

[SStarr33]

Let's think about that. Look at how Gracie has been trashed by the NG's . They needed to put the pieces of the puzzle together. Gracie was interviewed only a few days after the crime. How much evidence had they acquired up until then? Wasn't she initially interviewed on Nov. 5th?

She was given a photo of JY and asked if she had seen him and asked if he drove a white SUV. Major joke.

And if they were so sure of Gracie, they should have arrested him right then.

They didn't because it was made up BS.

 

[SStarr33]

Were any fibers from his home or the Hampton Inn in Hillsville found in his SUV???

Thanks,
Glenn

No, none. Absolutely none.

Wait. I think I read your question wrong and IDK the answer.

 

[citygirl]

I said I wondered if she heard something when she was on the treadmill.

This is just nitpicking but it is not what you said in your original post. When you embellish it undermines peoples responses. You never said that.

 

[citygirl]

We were joking.

UM.Okay. Who is we? Totally missed the joke.

 

[citygirl]

She was given a photo of JY and asked if she had seen him and asked if he drove a white SUV. Major joke.

And if they were so sure of Gracie, they should have arrested him right then.

They didn't because it was made up BS.

Really? Who made it up?

 

[SStarr33]

Did we ever hear what was on the extra cell phones that JY had?

 

[SStarr33]

This is just nitpicking but it is not what you said in your original post. When you embellish it undermines peoples responses. You never said that.

My original post:

Galloway said the tv and the treadmill were on in the bonus room--the TM was not running, just turned on. Did anyone ever testify what channel the tv was on?

I wonder if MY was working out and heard a noise.

Day 4 part 4 within the first 3-4 minutes:

http://www.wral.com/specialreports/m...video/9723165/