Jason Young to get new trial

[Nymeria]

What about all the misinformation that is posted towards guilt, though, that isn't true or factual at all?
1) Cassidy Young had no male doll to choose from @ her daycare...False
2) Jason Young's business trip was 2 hours away from his home. False
3) Young was actively bidding on an auction @ Ebay. False
4) The Youngs were having finanical troubles. False
etc, etc, etc.

*BBM*

Just MO, this one does not even matter.
The issue is not whether the auction was active.
The issue is sending his SIL over to get the print out mid day (like it was urgent) seems hinky.
At least in my eyes, as a newb to the case, it does not sit right.
To me, and remember this is JMO, it appears he did this so MY would be found and CY removed from the scene, all while he was "away".

 

[jova33]

*BBM*

Just MO, this one does not even matter.
The issue is not whether the auction was active.
The issue is sending his SIL over to get the print out mid day (like it was urgent) seems hinky.
At least in my eyes, as a newb to the case, it does not sit right.
To me, and remember this is JMO, it appears he did this so MY would be found and CY removed from the scene, all while he was "away".

Well think about it, if his wife saw a print out of coach purses, she'd definitely know she was getting a coach purse. The surprise is ruined. And it wasn't that urgent if he called about it after noon and left a voice mail.

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[jova33]

Thank you. I know you know this case very well, and I agree with you completely.

It seems there are posters who do not believe in the importance or validity of circumstantial evidence and will not assimilate it without direct evidence. It's hard to have a meaningful dialogue when faced with that point of view.

Circumstantial evidence is evidence, valid evidence!! And this case has a ton of it.

Maybe there should be a separate thread for "we believe JY is innocent" or "we require direct evidence in order to believe JY is guilty." Because otherwise, co-mingling mutually-exclusive belief systems is not very interesting or productive. I'm not intending to be snarky, it's just a suggestion because all this back and forth, e.g., "it's black", "no, it's white" is futile.

:seeya:

The circumstantial evidence doesn't even link him to the crime.

If you asked me if Casey Anthony had anything to do with her daughter's death, I'd say yes. There's mountains of circumstantial evidence and no direct evidence.

With JY most of the circumstantial evidence can not even be attributed to him, and the stuff that can be is so far out there that it doesn't even fit.

I'll ask again, what evidence links JY to the murder of his wife?

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[Nymeria]

Well think about it, if his wife saw a print out of coach purses, she'd definitely know she was getting a coach purse. The surprise is ruined. And it wasn't that urgent if he called about it after noon and left a voice mail.

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What time did he call?
What time was MY expected to be home from work (had she not been dead)?
What time was JY expected home from his trip?

TIA

 

[jova33]

What time did he call?
What time was MY expected to be home from work (had she not been dead)?
What time was JY expected home from his trip?

TIA

12:10 PM JY left a voice mail for MF

Not sure, but MF said she was supposed to be at work.

Not sure exactly. He planned on visiting his parents, and I don't think he planned on coming back the same day.

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[sunshine05]

What time did he call?
What time was MY expected to be home from work (had she not been dead)?
What time was JY expected home from his trip?

TIA

He called MF at 12:14PM. This is what points to innocence in my opinion. If he's worried about his 2 year old left alone all night, why not call MF first thing in the morning to tell her to go get the print-outs?

I agree that initially, I also believed that sending her to the house for the print-outs seemed suspicious but after learning more about the case and hearing about how he and Meredith had been in fairly regular recent contact as she was playing marriage counselor, it seemed normal that he would call and ask her to go retrieve that. He was trying to please MF and Linda by buying her an anniversary gift. He knew they were upset with him because he didn't buy her a gift.

I believe MY would have been expected home late that afternoon - 4-5PM or so.

What if JY hadn't been able to reach MF? He planned to spend the night in Brevard with family. At what point would he have begun to worry that he couldn't reach MY and had to drive home? I just don't understand why he would have worked the overnight trip in Brevard into the plan. Why not go home after the meetings to ensure he would be there for C. (just in case he couldn't reach MF)

Also, if he's responsible for the murder, why would his first call that morning be placed to his mistress? Wouldn't he have been avoiding her, knowing they would be checking his phone records? In fact, he had called her so many times in the weeks prior to this and would have known that would be a red flag. Everyone knows now that the spouse always takes the fall for a murdered spouse - evidence or not, alibi or not, affair or not.

 

[JusticeFever]

If someone was planning on murdering their wife:
Would they really do all this to draw extra added attention to themselves:
1) Buy a huge life insurance policy
2) Have an affair
3) Be on the phone with that person that day, that night ,the next day after the murder
Wouldn't they:
1) Have a better plan to find Cassidy, possibly even arrange for her to be out of the home
2) Make absolutely sure that they were seen that morning in the hotel lobby by another guest or employee
3) Make it look like a forced entry somewhere in the home
4) Ransack the place
5) Cool things with the person they are cheating on their wife with.

 

[Nymeria]

If someone was planning on murdering their wife:
Would they really do all this to draw extra added attention to themselves:
1) Buy a huge life insurance policy
2) Have an affair
3) Be on the phone with that person that day, that night ,the next day after the murder
Wouldn't they:
1) Have a better plan to find Cassidy, possibly even arrange for her to be out of the home
2) Make absolutely sure that they were seen that morning in the hotel lobby by another guest or employee
3) Make it look like a forced entry somewhere in the home
4) Ransack the place
5) Cool things with the person they are cheating on their wife with.

You must not have been keeping up with the Marissa Devault trial, she did many of these plus a lot more idiotic actions!
Just sayin', you can't always give people credit for being smart.

 

[Boodles]

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Just MO, this one does not even matter.
The issue is not whether the auction was active.
The issue is sending his SIL over to get the print out mid day (like it was urgent) seems hinky.
At least in my eyes, as a newb to the case, it does not sit right.
To me, and remember this is JMO, it appears he did this so MY would be found and CY removed from the scene, all while he was "away".

I didn't say he was actively bidding anyway.

But considering he was with his girlfriend on his anniversary anyway, it just makes this all the more suspicious - the sudden urgency to get a (late) gift for MY and send MF scrambling over to Birchleaf to pick up an expired auction printout! Ridiculous.

 

[jova33]

I didn't say he was actively bidding anyway.

But considering he was with his girlfriend on his anniversary anyway, it just makes this all the more suspicious - the sudden urgency to get a (late) gift for MY and send MF scrambling over to Birchleaf to pick up an expired auction printout! Ridiculous.

Scrambling? He left her one voice mail at 12:10 PM. And just because that auction was over, doesn't mean there wouldn't those same model purses on auction tomorrow. He just wanted to get an idea of what to get her.

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[Boodles]

He called MF at 12:14PM. This is what points to innocence in my opinion. If he's worried about his 2 year old left alone all night, why not call MF first thing in the morning to tell her to go get the print-outs?

I agree that initially, I also believed that sending her to the house for the print-outs seemed suspicious but after learning more about the case and hearing about how he and Meredith had been in fairly regular recent contact as she was playing marriage counselor, it seemed normal that he would call and ask her to go retrieve that. He was trying to please MF and Linda by buying her an anniversary gift. He knew they were upset with him because he didn't buy her a gift.

I believe MY would have been expected home late that afternoon - 4-5PM or so.

What if JY hadn't been able to reach MF? He planned to spend the night in Brevard with family. At what point would he have begun to worry that he couldn't reach MY and had to drive home? I just don't understand why he would have worked the overnight trip in Brevard into the plan. Why not go home after the meetings to ensure he would be there for C. (just in case he couldn't reach MF)

Also, if he's responsible for the murder, why would his first call that morning be placed to his mistress? Wouldn't he have been avoiding her, knowing they would be checking his phone records? In fact, he had called her so many times in the weeks prior to this and would have known that would be a red flag. Everyone knows now that the spouse always takes the fall for a murdered spouse - evidence or not, alibi or not, affair or not.

bbm. Are you familiar with the prosecution's case and the medicine in Cassidy's room? JY thought he made sure that would sleep after being drugged.
http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/4090060/

And JY thought his registration at the Hillsville Hampton Inn was an airtight alibi.
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

 

[JusticeFever]

bbm. Are you familiar with the prosecution's case and the medicine in Cassidy's room? JY thought he made sure that would sleep after being drugged.
http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/4090060/

And JY thought his registration at the Hillsville Hampton Inn was an airtight alibi.
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Jason drugging Cassidy was nothing more than a theory that the state used to try and explain all the hours the little girl was alone. and how she remained so clean.The state also floated a theory Cassidy was taken from the home in Michelle's car, and that could be the car that Mrs. Beaver and the elderly woman saw around 5:30 am. No one really knows.
And, Cassidy did not sound at all like she had been drugged on the 911 call.

 

[JusticeFever]

I didn't say he was actively bidding anyway.

But considering he was with his girlfriend on his anniversary anyway, it just makes this all the more suspicious - the sudden urgency to get a (late) gift for MY and send MF scrambling over to Birchleaf to pick up an expired auction printout! Ridiculous.

So, if Jason had really planned this well in advance, don't you think he would have had a better plan to rescue Cassidy, then just something he printed from his computer right before he left home? Why not just call Michelles sister and say that he had been calling the house and there was no answer, and that he tried Michelle at work and on her cell, and that he was worried, and could she go by and check on them?
Why did he need to make an excuse to get her there? She was her sister and she lived close by,

 

[tarheellvr]

Neighbors hearing them screaming? Michelle and Jason's house was not even close to their neighbors, and if they heard them screaming, why didn't they hear anything the nite Michelle was murdered?,,,,Sorry, but no neighbors ever testified to such a thing., Can we please stay with the facts presented at trial?

I beg to differ......we lived on one of those lots and yes, while big 3/4-1 acre+ we could indeed hear our neighbors at night on our deck. And yes, a neighbor I knew well did indeed hear JY's tirade. While not in court testimony per say, it WAS in police notes.

 

[JusticeFever]

I beg to differ......we lived on one of those lots and yes, while big 3/4-1 acre+ we could indeed hear our neighbors at night on our deck. And yes, a neighbor I knew well did indeed hear JY's tirade. While not in court testimony per say, it WAS in police notes.

It would seem if that happened, the neighbor(s) would have been called to testify.
Also, no one heard anything the nite Michelle was killed, and no neighbor even noticed all the lights on in the home or any car activity...it was only delivery people or people driving by the home, that noticed all the lights on and cars that did not belong there.
If a neighbor had saw or heard anything like that, I am sure they would have went over there or called the police out. Which is also why it makes no sense Jason would leave all the lights on to attract attention.

 

[tarheellvr]

OK Justice....I respect your "calling me out." Point well taken.....we should respect and accept each other's opinions.

We are all here to share thoughts, opinions, and facts as we know them. You're right.....all we can do now is wait for the Court's ruling.

Although I do feel as if we're "beating a dead horse" so to speak as so many things have been said over and over.....and over again. By hey...this is a forum....right?

 

[sunshine05]

bbm. Are you familiar with the prosecution's case and the medicine in Cassidy's room? JY thought he made sure that would sleep after being drugged.
http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/4090060/

And JY thought his registration at the Hillsville Hampton Inn was an airtight alibi.
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

Yes, I'm familiar with it. If the child was drugged, it didn't work as she was found in the master bedroom bed. So I ask, if Jason cleaned her up and then drugged her and put her to bed, how is it possible that she clearly was awake and walking around the house freely, yet had no blood on her at all? And she wasn't wearing a diaper. Where is the diaper she would have removed when she awoke that morning as I don't recall one being found on the floor in her bedroom? Someone cared for her long after Jason would have left the house. The footprints in the bathroom look staged as well. Remember that the first responder was surprised when MF said she didn't clean up the child after seeing so much blood in that house. Where are the dog paw prints too?

Regarding the Hampton Inn alibi - there is no evidence that he ever left the hotel that night. I keep going back to the gas receipts and mileage all adding up consistent with his story and simply don't work with the state's theory.

 

[jova33]

Ok, I keep asking this question, but I'm not getting an answer.

What circumstantial evidence that can be attributed to JY, links him to the murder because I'm not seeing it?

The eBay printout?
He was looking, not bidding. Asking MF to retrieve the printout after noon was so his wife wouldn't see it.

The shoe print that matched a pair of shoes that JY owned?
He bought those shoes a year and a half before the murder, and the tread also matched two other lines of shoes. Shoes for me go in the trash 8-12 months, so it's reasonable to say he might not have even owned them. And what about the second set of shoe prints?

The absence of the clothes he was seen wearing on video from Cracker Barrel and the hotel?
His vehicle and it's contents were confiscated and searched by the police. No inventory of the contents of his vehicle or bags was ever taken, and they issued a warrant for the clothes 26 months later. Who's to say the police didn't lose his clothes? Or misplace them?

The hotel camera? No evidence to connect JY to that. There's actually evidence someone else moved and unplugged it.

Him saying he went out to smoke a cigar? I used to smoke cigarettes and I knew people who would occasionally have a cigar. They were disgusted by cigarette smoke though.

The gas station attendant? I'm not even getting into that.

CY wasn't killed, she was cleaned, and her pajamas were "shockingly clean". Only JY would've cared for her that much.
If that's true, why would he leave her alone for 10+ hours?

He drugged her.
One of the side effects of that medication was hyperactivity in young children, why would he dope her with something that's going to wake her up?

The hose left running?
So, supposedly, he took a backyard shower with his daughter in the twilight of early November, and dried him and his daughter off with what? How did he not track water in the house?

What am I missing?

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[Nymeria]

Regarding Ebay print out, no one cares if he was bidding OR looking.
The issue that is odd is the request to have SIL run to the house to get it.
I know it has been explained and excused by both sides.

I just am trying to point out that the issue of an active bid is moot.
At least to me.... are others disputing it???

 

[jova33]

Regarding Ebay print out, no one cares if he was bidding OR looking.
The issue that is odd is the request to have SIL run to the house to get it.
I know it has been explained and excused by both sides.

I just am trying to point out that the issue of an active bid is moot.
At least to me.... are others disputing it???

Some people were saying since the auction had already expired, he shouldn't have needed to call MF to retrieve the printout, and that's proof it was just a ploy to get her over there to find MY and take care of CY.
If you were looking at auctions for an Xbox One for your husband or a new purse for your wife, would you want your significant other seeing the printout of the potential gift your were planning on getting them?

Edit: even if I wasn't sure about getting the gift for my wife, I wouldn't want her seeing that and thinking that's what I was going to get her because then when I change my mind she'll be disappointed. My wife checks my internet history around Christmas time, her birthday, and anniversary... clever girl.

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