Jaycee's Bio dad

[kbl8201]

What evidence do you use to conclude that Jaycee is currently being "forced" by anyone to take sides?

As Jaycee is 30 years old, and therefore presumed to be an adult capable of making her own decisions, and Jaycee is also represented by counsel who has been interviewed to the satisfaction of the judge handling the criminal case, my conclusion is the position taken is her position, reached by her based on her desires. This decision is not acceptable to Ken, who has retained counsel to use some sort of legal process to force Jaycee to do something different than what she has expressed as her desire.

If there is some evidence that has been presented that Jaycee is not legally competent I'm unaware of it and I've followed the case pretty closely, so I'd love to hear it.

There have been some that maintained that Jaycee and her children desired contact with the Garridos based on how they felt the relationship should be - but we know now that Jaycee and her children have told the judge they do NOT want contact and the judge has accepted that as their true desire. I do not understand why some would consider that the stated desires of the Garridos, of Slayton, or of just about everyone else are sincere and valid as stated but Jaycee, and only Jaycee, is being manipulated and her stated desires are suspect and should be overruled. I just don't see how someone could come to that conclusion from the facts presented. I don't really care about any random person's view of how they feel things should be in relationships, we're talking about a girl who has been through 18 years of hell and I'm not going to demand she get "over it" and/or "grow up" on anyone's schedule but her own.

• I get that Ken wants what Ken wants because Ken wants it for Ken.
• I get that Ken knows that Jaycee says she doesn't want what he wants, but he doesn't care.
• I don't get why anyone would approve of what he's doing
• What he is doing does not fit my definition of love for Jaycee

bravo.

jaycee made the decision about the garridos, she made the decision about sleyton. she's 30 years old, she isnt being controlled or manipulated here. terry isnt garrido for crying out loud

 

[Natal]

What evidence do you use to conclude that Jaycee is currently being "forced" by anyone to take sides?

As Jaycee is 30 years old, and therefore presumed to be an adult capable of making her own decisions, and Jaycee is also represented by counsel who has been interviewed to the satisfaction of the judge handling the criminal case, my conclusion is the position taken is her position, reached by her based on her desires. This decision is not acceptable to Ken, who has retained counsel to use some sort of legal process to force Jaycee to do something different than what she has expressed as her desire.

If there is some evidence that has been presented that Jaycee is not legally competent I'm unaware of it and I've followed the case pretty closely, so I'd love to hear it.

There have been some that maintained that Jaycee and her children desired contact with the Garridos based on how they felt the relationship should be - but we know now that Jaycee and her children have told the judge they do NOT want contact and the judge has accepted that as their true desire. I do not understand why some would consider that the stated desires of the Garridos, of Slayton, or of just about everyone else are sincere and valid as stated but Jaycee, and only Jaycee, is being manipulated and her stated desires are suspect and should be overruled. I just don't see how someone could come to that conclusion from the facts presented. I don't really care about any random person's view of how they feel things should be in relationships, we're talking about a girl who has been through 18 years of hell and I'm not going to demand she get "over it" and/or "grow up" on anyone's schedule but her own.

• I get that Ken wants what Ken wants because Ken wants it for Ken.
• I get that Ken knows that Jaycee says she doesn't want what he wants, but he doesn't care.
• I don't get why anyone would approve of what he's doing
• What he is doing does not fit my definition of love for Jaycee

A person can only make decisions based on the information presented to them. What makes you think that she is recieving complete and unbiased information? Read the family's press release, it is dripping with emotive language. If the information she recieves is biased and/or incomplete, then the decision she makes in the short term will likely prove to be poor and not necessarily in her best interests. Someone else's best interests perhaps, but not hers in my opinion. It has nothing to do with what legal representation she has or her mental faculty. The problem is that going back and fixing it in the future will be that much more difficult as a result.

My point is this, why make life potentially difficult for yourself in the future when the issue can be handled diplomatically now?

The wierdest part of that press release is that in spite of all the emotive language, it still includes the "reserves the right to change her mind" bit, implying that someone is not as certain about things as you seem to think. It is an "oops" clause, albeit a clumsily worded one.

Edit: Btw, Ken got legal representation only after his attempts to communicate with her were apparently blocked. He didn't do it to overcome her decisions. That is not an unreasonable thing to do.

 

[Natal]

If Jaycee does not want to meet the man that is her right. He originally said he wanted nothing from her now he is demanding a piece of her literally. He hired that attorney less than a month after Jaycee was found. So why is the DNA so important? He says he and his family loves her (hard to do since they never met her). So what if the DNA does not match? What happens to this statement of love. It will get dumped into the trash with the dna announcement, probably followed by another statement from Ken stating he knew Terry was a (whatever term of endearment he called her when he first learned she was pregnant). He made his bed 31 years ago (30 plus the nine months of pregnancy less the month to learn she was pregnant). He could have found her. Sure no internet but phone books have a whole lot of information back then before the time of blocked phone numbers.

He has a rapest mentality with that statement about doing what he wants no matter what she wants. Isn't that why the Garridos are now in jail awaiting trial. His recent actions have fully shown what sort of being he is. No means No. She said NO so he just needs to GO.

Phone books had an address, but if you didn't have a phone number they obviously wouldn't have listed your address. For example, if you were living with someone else they would be listed but you wouldn't. I grew up in that era, I'm the same age as Terry. I was well over 30 before my name appeared in any phone book. I was a student, in the military, then a graduate student for my 20s. In those days if you chose to keep a low profile it would have been very difficult for someone to find you. If you had looked for me, you would NOT have found me without staking out my parents house, even though I wasn't hiding.

 

[songline]

A person can only make decisions based on the information presented to them. What makes you think that she is recieving complete and unbiased information? Read the family's press release, it is dripping with emotive language. If the information she recieves is biased and/or incomplete, then the decision she makes in the short term will likely prove to be poor and not necessarily in her best interests. Someone else's best interests perhaps, but not hers in my opinion. It has nothing to do with what legal representation she has or her mental faculty. The problem is that going back and fixing it in the future will be that much more difficult as a result.

My point is this, why make life potentially difficult for yourself in the future when the issue can be handled diplomatically now?

The wierdest part of that press release is that in spite of all the emotive language, it still includes the "reserves the right to change her mind" bit, implying that someone is not as certain about things as you seem to think. It is an "oops" clause, albeit a clumsily worded one.

Edit: Btw, Ken got legal representation only after his attempts to communicate with her were apparently blocked. He didn't do it to overcome her decisions. That is not an unreasonable thing to do.

PROJECTING Is not part of this reality.
I have no Idea why you see things as you do.
but they have nothing to do with this case at all.

It may have been nice if Ken cared, but those are
not the facts.
It may have been nice if JC FELT cared about, and that is not what she feels or she may have made another choice.
Based on all we have seen. I must say it again.
LOVE DOES NOT LOOK THAT WAY>

But I will give you this much.
Your fantasy of what is, sounds like a nicer scenario if only it was real,:waitasec:
It sure would have been great for JC to have a real dad.
She does not, she has a sperm donor.

 

[songline]

Phone books had an address, but if you didn't have a phone number they obviously wouldn't have listed your address. For example, if you were living with someone else they would be listed but you wouldn't. I grew up in that era, I'm the same age as Terry. I was well over 30 before my name appeared in any phone book. I was a student, in the military, then a graduate student for my 20s. In those days if you chose to keep a low profile it would have been very difficult for someone to find you. If you had looked for me, you would NOT have found me without staking out my parents house, even though I wasn't hiding.

:doh::doh::doh: Your unreal anthology = if someone knew your parents name they would find you.
Ken knew JCs moms name and he could have found her.
I never got why on earth you were always either on the Garrido side or Kens side.
always on the real nasty side :sick: YAP right from the start.

Yap that is very strange in my book.

 

[Openmind]

Looking in the phone book was at least a start. The friend that gave him the information of his potential parenthood was another. If so much can be implied from Jaycee's and Terry's response to Slayton's offer, as much can be implied by Slayton's lack of effort to connect with his child or Terry before she was rescued. When the FBI told him Jaycee was his child, there was ample opportunity to get in touch with Terry. Information on how to contact the family was everywhere. But he didn't. His child was missing and he did nothing, but now he wants to be included in the family circle. And it is the justifications for his lack of effort before and his demands now that speak to the man's character and possible motivation. Excuses before and accusations now -- all play to Slayton's self-imposed victimization.

 

[kbl8201]

come on song and openmind........phonebooks handnt been invented in southern california by 1980

 

[Grumpy]

After watching his various interviews and press conferences my impression of Slayton is that he could not find his OWN name in a phonebook.

 

[jazerelle]

A person can only make decisions based on the information presented to them. What makes you think that she is recieving complete and unbiased information? Read the family's press release, it is dripping with emotive language. If th

What makes you so sure she isn't getting complete and unbiased information? Why jump to a conclusion that Terry is pissed off at Ken. But what is sure is Jaycee's current decision. She wants nothing to do with him so he should just back off and not FORCE himself on her.

And his comment through his attorney are definitely disrespectful of Terry. He dissed her when she told him about the baby and now he is still dissing her. So why would Jaycee want to talk to him. He has no respect for women. She has had enough of men with no respect for women.

Maybe when she has had time to get adjusted and the trial is over, and she and her girls are settled, she will have time to deal with him. If he truly cared then he should respect her wishes and be satisfied with that. When he ran out and got that attorney, did he also run out and change his will? I bet he didn't.

He says he wants DNA to prove he is the father. Ok fine in my mind he is not the father, there is no proof so he should just go his merry way like he has the last 31 years. They don't want anything from him so he can just get lost.

 

[kbl8201]

I can make a really good argument that Jennifer Lopez should come to my house and spank my bare bottom because I've been a very bad boy. I can lay out all the reasons it makes sense to me that she should do so. I can hire an attorney to hold press conferences saying I've been trying to discuss this issue with her but her representatives are blocking my communication. I can point out that if she'd just handle the whole thing diplomatically, like a mature adult, return my calls, set up a time and do what I'm asking I wouldn't have to keep pressing things through the media, which is not my first choice, but which I feel I'm now forced to do because of her actions or the interference of those around her. I could argue passionately that the only reason Jennifer's car isn't in my driveway as we speak is that her evil and biased handlers are feeding her lies about me. I could tearfully explain that this has got to take place soon, because if my wife finds out what I'm up to she'll laugh at me so hard I'll need to get her to the emergency room for sedation.

But I'd look like an idiot if I did that.

Kens' statements tell me he's looking for 2 things:

1) He wants to prove that he's Jaycee's male biological parent. There is no issue in dispute here, so why he needs any sort of legal representation for this point escapes me. Courts do not hear from people that have no dispute, it's not what they are there for. How would this play out?



2) He wants to compel Jaycee to have some sort of contact with him. I'm unaware of any legal theory under which he can do so. If anyone knows of one, please, let us all know and I'll give Jennifer another call. Under California family law he MIGHT be able to do this if Jaycee was still a minor, but she is not. And if she was, he'd have an uphill battle based on his lack of contact from birth until recently.

We cannot change the past but we do have to live with the results of our past actions. Again, my position is to take public statements as being correct and honest unless I have evidence otherwise, and a conclusion that Jaycee "must" be getting bad information based on opinion about her family cannot be substantiated without some sort of evidence I can see.

I will accept Ken's statements that he wants to see Jaycee as sincere.

I will accept Jaycee's statements that she does not want to see Ken right now as sincere.

I will therefore judge Ken's efforts to force Jaycee to see him as selfish and wrong. Ken's efforts to force this issue through legal process and public statements would certainly have the opposite effect on me if I were Jaycee. She's just come out of 18 years of hell, being held against her will by a couple of pedophile rapists who forced her to do what they wanted her to do, and she's supposed to embrace someone she's never met because he wants to force her to do what he wants her to do?

I don't think so.

i dont even know a law, and jazz backed me up, that he can even force a paternity test on her since she's an adult.

what do these two snakes want really? do they want to push the paternity test so they can force a meeting as a compromise?

it still seems to me sleyton wants jaycee to clean up his 30 year old mess for him. jaycee needs to put the pieces of her own life together and doesnt need interference from an outsider who thinks two marks on piece a paper make a 'father.'

why is it sleyton cant see that what he's doing is no better then when garrido tried to force jaycee to talk to his lawyers and bring the girls to see him this winter? why doesnt he see that her feeling 'terror' at the prospect of being forced to meet him is pretty much what she felt when garrido tried to force his way back in her life? is he really that clueless?

i cant blame alfred here, actually. she's a lawyer. lawyers get paid to act like scum.

dads dont act the way sleyton is acting. dads act like carl has, patient, understanding.

now if we're done with this worthless excuse for a father........on to tommorow's hearing

 

[Dr. Doogie]

i cant blame alfred here, actually. she's a lawyer. lawyers get paid to act like scum.

Yes, but Gloria has raised scumminess to an art form.

 

[songline]

It isn't necessary because both Ken and Terry say that he is the father. Not that should surprise anyone since Ken and Jaycee look alike anyway.

The main purpose of all of this IMO is to make sure Jaycee knows who he is and his feelings for her. He can't do much more than that, and she would have to take the next step.

She knows who he is. NOW it is her turn to NOT care. she has more important things on her plate now.
He has feelings for himself. The other things you call feelings are delusions.
As for her sperm donor, he is a self serving careless, uncaring person.
And his lawyer is a Pitt bull media Ho.

 

[songline]

come on song and open mind........phonebooks hadn't been invented in southern California by 1980

ye right but detectives were. LOL
:waitasec: Where there is a will there is a way.
He had no will when it mattered and now there is no way :no:

 

[songline]

Yes, but Gloria has raised scumminess to an art form.

She sure makes my eyes roll, and skin crawl....but this saying cracked me up LOL thanks

 

[songline]

i dont even know a law, and jazz backed me up, that he can even force a paternity test on her since she's an adult.

what do these two snakes want really? do they want to push the paternity test so they can force a meeting as a compromise?

it still seems to me sleyton wants jaycee to clean up his 30 year old mess for him. jaycee needs to put the pieces of her own life together and doesnt need interference from an outsider who thinks two marks on piece a paper make a 'father.'

why is it sleyton cant see that what he's doing is no better then when garrido tried to force jaycee to talk to his lawyers and bring the girls to see him this winter? why doesnt he see that her feeling 'terror' at the prospect of being forced to meet him is pretty much what she felt when garrido tried to force his way back in her life? is he really that clueless?
i cant blame alfred here, actually. she's a lawyer. lawyers get paid to act like scum.

dads dont act the way sleyton is acting. dads act like carl has, patient, understanding.

now if we're done with this worthless excuse for a father........on to tommorow's hearing

Because he is a low life. BBM
Jaycee needs more chit to deal with like a hole in the head. :furious: SOB father infuriates me.

And I am sure that Carl is caring in a gentle and strong kind of way. A way that she CAN feel. He has been doing what he can to keep the paparazzi at bay from the start, contributed in a search for her. He acted like her father without the DNA.

As for Slayton - he probably is trying to tell the world he is not a worm, for neglecting his responsibilities as a man all those years. He does not want to be asked after the movie, how could you ever not go look for your child, He is covering his azz he does not want us to see the slime coming off him.
SO he created a campaign so that he can look like the man who tried but failed.

But somehow he just can never show up as anything other then slim.

 

[songline]

After watching his various interviews and press conferences my impression of Slayton is that he could not find his OWN name in a phonebook.

But he can find Gloria, sure he is a loser in my book, but a calculated one.

 

[kbl8201]

Because he is a low life. BBM
Jaycee needs more chit to deal with like a hole in the head. :furious: SOB father infuriates me.

And I am sure that Carl is caring in a gentle and strong kind of way. A way that she CAN feel. He has been doing what he can to keep the paparazzi at bay from the start, contributed in a search for her. He acted like her father without the DNA.

As for Slayton - he probably is trying to tell the world he is not a worm, for neglecting his responsibilities as a man all those years. He does not want to be asked after the movie, how could you ever not go look for your child, He is covering his azz he does not want us to see the slime coming off him.
SO he created a campaign so that he can look like the man who tried but failed.

But somehow he just can never show up as anything other then slim.

the irony is he'd look better if he did what he's always done..............nothing.

btw i was joking about the phone books lol

 

[jazerelle]

KBL you are right about saying nothing to look better. Now the DA is saying slayton is basic scum.

http://blogs.sacbee.com/crime/archives/2010/06/da-fires-back-a.html Way to go DA:woohoo:

 

[Openmind]

KBL you are right about saying nothing to look better. Now the DA is saying slayton is basic scum.

http://blogs.sacbee.com/crime/archives/2010/06/da-fires-back-a.html Way to go DA:woohoo:

The DA has it absolutely right. Either Slayton is a thoughtless prick that thinks he now has to be the father he never had time or interest to do before, or he is trying to attach himself to some kind of money train. I am so sorry Jaycee has to put up with garbage. She has been through enough and still has to deal with Garrido. Slayton should be ashamed but then that would require he think beyond his own selfish need/wants.

 

[glorybug]

I find it hard to believe that ANYONE can defend the biodad. The DA obviously doesn't think highly of him.

Jaycee has expressed that she did not immediately want contact with the stepfather, who actively searched fr her for years, and bore the brunt of accusations for years. He did not immediately insist on a meeting with her. He has class. He stayed away from the media, and stated that if/when she was ready to contact him, he'd be there. THAT is what a real parent would do. He IS actually a victim as well, and the biodad is not. Biodad lost nothing that he wasn't already ignoring. The stepdad lost his stepdaughter, his daughter's half-sister, his reputation, and eventually his marriage- all due to the abduction. Biodad lost nothing, and it is pathetic that he could call himself a victim.

I can only see one reason for biodad to be crying crocodile tears right now, and it involves money. It is accepted that he is the biodad, so there's no need for DNA testing, unless his plans involve something bigger, legally.

I can see these options-

The victim's atty has stated they may sue the State of California. Without DNA evidence proving his paternity, he may not be able to cash in on that lawsuit as a 'victim'.

He won't be allowed into the courtroom without DNA proofof paternity. That would really ruin any insider specials where he got paid to comment on the ongoing trial. What other reason could he have for wanting to be there? Rubbernecking or looky-loo? Doubtful.

When the movie and book deals get signed, he'll want to be there for his cut of the story. Being a deadbeat dad who never even helped in the search makes for no story and no payout. Being the biodad of an abduction victim who hired GA and sued to get paternity testing, while re-writing history as a caring father certainly pads his irrelevance to the story. If nothing else it means he'll get paid a little for the blurb that mentions his publicity stunt.

Based on his own statements (which back up what the biomom claims), she called him when she found out she was pregnant. She called him when she had the baby. A mutual friend saw the baby after a month and told him about it, saying she looked like him. He was contacted by LE as being the biodad after her abduction. That means there were at least 4 opportunities for him to start acting like a dad, but he chose not to because by then he had hooked up with another person. Biomom states he did not help look for her, DA states he was not involved, and he does not deny it. He personally ruined his own chances to be a part of his life. HE needs to grow up and take responsibility.

One thing that is obvious is that the biodad is consistent. Sadly, not in a good way.

Adult children, whether abducted as children or adopted out as children, have absolutely no obligation as adults to have a relationship with the people who abandoned them. That is an incredibly abusive way to think. It's usually a good thing that those kind of people stayed out of the children's lives- and very selfish to expect anything from them when they are adults.

Just my thoughts.

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On Thursday, Pierson issued a strongly worded statement saying that in 1991 Slayton was contacted regarding the disappearance of the then-11-year-old Dugard but that Slayton showed no interest or concern.

"Frankly, it's disgusting," Pierson said. "First a man abducted and then forced himself upon Jaycee for 18 years. Now, her biological father seeks to force himself upon Jaycee using his attorneys and the legal system."

Read more: http://blogs.sacbee.com/crime/archives/2010/06/da-fires-back-a.html#ixzz0rsM7DV2C