Jian Ghomeshi, well known, well respected radio host fired for Sexual Assault

[matou]

CBC will air another interview with another woman tomorrow and will have a story on The National tomorrow night.

 

[matou]

Michael Cooke ‏@TorStarEditor 41s42 seconds ago
#JianGhomeshi Lucy DeCoutere, "Lucy on Trailer Park Boys", says she was choked and beaten

 

[musicaljoke]

It's probably not quite fair that CBC is airing all this stuff, given that Jian worked for them and was fired. They obviously have options available for telling their side of the story. But ... Jian has options to get his side of the story out that his victims certainly don't have. He can silence them, or call them liars.

However, back to the original question of whether or not a person should be fired for personal behaviours, unrelated to their job. I think that, yes, that option should be available to employers under certain circumstances, and so far, our laws permit firing an employee for off the job behaviours, including making the company look bad, breaking the company's code of ethics, or engaging in illegal activities.

Employees can appeal to the Ministry of Labour if they feel wrongfully dismissed. I think that CBC did the right thing. I think that Jian should have appealed the CBC decision before launching a lawsuit. He could very well lose the lawsuit without the support of the Labour Board.

 

[matou]

New story: http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/201...t_of_violence_sexual_abuse_or_harassment.html

 

[Montjoy]

Interview with one of the women who has dated Ghomeshi:

audio:
http://www.cbc.ca/asithappens/features/2014/10/29/jian/

transcript:
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news...homeshi-assaulted-her/article21376464/?page=1

 

[matou]

What's with the teddy bear??? such a disturbing person...

http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/201...t_of_violence_sexual_abuse_or_harassment.html

 

[eucalyptuz]

Thanks for starting a thread on this, I was going to do it last night initially full of indignation on Ghomeshi's behalf but now...I'm not so sure.
I have been a big fan of JG for many years; his easy-handed and yet incisive interviews were part of my days living in Canada. When I first read an account of his sleazoid behavior on xoJane from 2013 it made me cringe about missed signals as well as feel a little uncomfortable about how a man in his position could take advantage BUT at the same time the bad writing coupled with writer's seeming lack of integrity made the whole thing seem at best an exaggerated bad date tale and at worst a little bit of sour grapes vengeance.
http://www.xojane.com/it-happened-to-me/non-date
When I read of his dismissal and subsequent FB post I was disappointed that CBC didn't give JG the benefit of the doubt, at least until there were official charges laid - even Toronto's crack-smoking mayor was only suspended while investigation continued - so CBC's reaction seemed harsh. Now CBC is promising another interview with another victim tomorrow so the whole thing has become a social media smorgasbord of he said/she said.
I wish we lived in a world with less voilence towards women. I wish violence against women was properly investigated and punished without stigma. I wish victims of abuse could come forward without fear. I'd hoped that JG wasn't a sleazy dirt bag but I feel the wave of accusers might be pressing at the floodgates...and it's going to be ugly and there's going to be no winners...

 

[matou]

What's with the teddy bear??? such a disturbing person...

http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/201...t_of_violence_sexual_abuse_or_harassment.html

Pretty interesting: Bigearsteddy has some stuff to say: https://twitter.com/bigearsteddy

 

[otto]

It's probably not quite fair that CBC is airing all this stuff, given that Jian worked for them and was fired. They obviously have options available for telling their side of the story. But ... Jian has options to get his side of the story out that his victims certainly don't have. He can silence them, or call them liars.

However, back to the original question of whether or not a person should be fired for personal behaviours, unrelated to their job. I think that, yes, that option should be available to employers under certain circumstances, and so far, our laws permit firing an employee for off the job behaviours, including making the company look bad, breaking the company's code of ethics, or engaging in illegal activities.

Employees can appeal to the Ministry of Labour if they feel wrongfully dismissed. I think that CBC did the right thing. I think that Jian should have appealed the CBC decision before launching a lawsuit. He could very well lose the lawsuit without the support of the Labour Board.

He got ahead of the story by claiming that he has proof that all the women he abused consented to that abuse. Today, we know that is not true. He's already said what he has to say while his victims were afraid to speak. I think that reporters should pick up the story, and should speak for the victims.

He was not fired for his personal behaviour unrelated to his job. He was fired because he is a violent predator of women and, according to the work related morality clause, that's not okay.

His 55 million dollar lawsuit will be thrown out in less than a minute. He's a façade. There's nothing behind it.

He should have kept his mouth shut and sought work elsewhere. He opened the door, essentially inviting everyone to prove him wrong.

 

[stan laurel]

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news...r-ghomeshi-not-entitled-to-1/article21329701/

 

[docbh]

Those tweets were in April, too. A forensic psychiatrist could have a field day with this. Such an obvious almost regimented pattern.

 

[matou]

He probably had a camera in that teddy bear and it was in the back of it. Sick pig. JMO

 

[docbh]

I just had the same thought. That would be the irony. The use of that particular prop is just really bizarre.

There seems to be a script that he's trying to follow and if it doesn't go to his plan he stops or asks the victim to leave. He seems to have some deep seated shame or self loathing about his behavior as well.

 

[otto]

He probably had a camera in that teddy bear and it was in the back of it. Sick pig. JMO

Can someone post the teddy bear photo please ... or clarify what the reference is about?

 

[eucalyptuz]

Can someone post the teddy bear photo please ... or clarify what the reference is about?

The teddy-bear was referenced by two women in the Toronto Star piece:
http://t.thestar.com/#/article/news...t_of_violence_sexual_abuse_or_harassment.html
And someone ? found a twitter account with that handle that mentions JG and physical violence (linked above)
ETA: https://twitter.com/bigearsteddy and fixed link, sorry

 

[otto]

Found it:

"He met some of the women during his 2012 tour to promote 1982 , his best- selling memoir about a year in high school in Thornhill. Others he met at film festivals, at music or CBC events, or at the CBC workplace.

Two of the women who allege they were physically assaulted also say that before the alleged assaults in his home he introduced them to Big Ears Teddy, a stuffed bear, and he turned the bear around just before he slapped or choked them, saying that “Big Ears Teddy shouldn’t see this.”

http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/201..._of_violence_sexual_abuse_or_harassment.html#

 

[docbh]

I'd be interested in the chronology of the cases and if there is any escalation in the violence...

 

[Snoopster]

“I felt like Jian was CBC god,” she told the Star in an interview. She is the second CBC woman to come forward with allegations of sexual harassment by Ghomeshi. The CBC has announced they are investigating the first case, where Ghomeshi allegedly told a CBC staffer he wanted to “hate f---” her.

(from The Star article linked above.)

Not looking good for Jian.

 

[eucalyptuz]

Not MSM by any stretch but an interesting look at the history and silence:
http://www.nothinginwinnipeg.com/2014/10/do-you-know-about-jian/

 

[newone]

Not MSM by any stretch but an interesting look at the history and silence:
http://www.nothinginwinnipeg.com/2014/10/do-you-know-about-jian/

Well said, and how many of us, have similar tales with that type of person.