JLM: Other Possible Victims

[liebling]

I'm not sure what DBA/TA means in this instance...

Doing Business As / Trading As.

In this context, I'm fairly certain it means they're garnishing a paycheck issued by that employer, for debts owed by the individual named.

 

[Deba]

Am I reading this correctly that his wages were to be garnished from his place of employment, Martha Jefferson House? I'm not sure what DBA/TA means in this instance...

That's what I am thinking. I'm not sure what those acronyms mean either. There is also another wage garnishment case from UVA Medical which was filed this year (UVA being his most recent place of employment).

There appears to be a two year gap (so far) from what we know of his employment history between 2010 and 2012. It appears you may have found at least one employer during that time gap (and yes, it's possible he could have been employed there simultaneously while driving a taxi in 2009).

Nice find.

 

[AVIXEN]

Doing Business As / Trading As.

In this context, I'm fairly certain it means they're garnishing a paycheck issued by that employer, for debts owed by the individual named.

Thanks for clearing that up... I didn't want to just assume Martha Jefferson House was his employer.

 

[TravelingBug]

I'll be shocked if JM is not responsible for MH and the 2005 rape in Fairfax and probably others. They always said that the MH perp was very familiar with Charlottesville and Anchorage Farm. There was also consideration at the time the perp may have been a taxi driver. Plus his history (Liberty rape). Plus the sketch, which I think looks similar enough to JM. And Longo is deflecting the issue if he could be associated with the others cases - I believe he either thinks he could be or knows he is but really wants to keep the focus on Hannah for now. If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck....

I agree that if Hannah were found I think the discussion may well be different.

If any of these end up related, the conversation would be on that over Hannah getting found in a lot of circles.

And considering that even here on WS we had people claiming that Longo was causing "hysteria" and basically starting a lynch mob, I can only imagine what the reactions would be if he'd said anything definitive either way (on what they're thinking about any possible connections or what they know).

Unless it goes a long time without Hannah being found, I suspect that they'll try not to answer anything about the other cases any more definitively than needed.

JM's in jail and unlikely to be going anywhere right now. That's what they wanted and needed, and that's where he is.

So if he is tied to any of the other already known about cases, then he's in custody and off the streets for now anyway and can't harm anyone else. If he's not tied to them, then it's really not any different than it was before JM came into the equation.

If anything, I actually think NOT pinning it down either way in terms of what they think or know about the other cases and any possibility of JM having any ties, that they're actually getting MORE information as a result of all of the discussion about it all.

People are remembering things they'd dismissed as perhaps irrelevant, people are mentioning things they were afraid to before, and it's likely more will keep coming out. And other victims may now come forward knowing he's in custody, and can't harm them again.

 

[AVIXEN]

That's what I am thinking. I'm not sure what those acronyms mean either. There is also another wage garnishment case from UVA Medical which was filed this year (UVA being his most recent place of employment).

There appears to be a two year gap (so far) from what we know of his employment history between 2010 and 2012. It appears you may have found at least one employer during that time gap (and yes, it's possible he could have been employed there simultaneously while driving a taxi in 2009).

Nice find.

If you do the same search in Charlottesville instead of albemarle county, more cases show up.

 

[Detective Klimpt]

http://insidecville.com/blog/ljs-timeline/
JM timeline night HG last seen
Don't know where to post this

Excellent, Excellent read. Thanks.

 

[Quill]

I agree that if Hannah were found I think the discussion may well be different.

If any of these end up related, the conversation would be on that over Hannah getting found in a lot of circles.

And considering that even here on WS we had people claiming that Longo was causing "hysteria" and basically starting a lynch mob, I can only imagine what the reactions would be if he'd said anything definitive either way (on what they're thinking about any possible connections or what they know).

Unless it goes a long time without Hannah being found, I suspect that they'll try not to answer anything about the other cases any more definitively than needed.

JM's in jail and unlikely to be going anywhere right now. That's what they wanted and needed, and that's where he is.

So if he is tied to any of the other already known about cases, then he's in custody and off the streets for now anyway and can't harm anyone else. If he's not tied to them, then it's really not any different than it was before JM came into the equation.

If anything, I actually think NOT pinning it down either way in terms of what they think or know about the other cases and any possibility of JM having any ties, that they're actually getting MORE information as a result of all of the discussion about it all.

People are remembering things they'd dismissed as perhaps irrelevant, people are mentioning things they were afraid to before, and it's likely more will keep coming out. And other victims may now come forward knowing he's in custody, and can't harm them again.

:goodpost:

 

[angelainwi]

If you do the same search in Charlottesville instead of albemarle county, more cases show up.

I was too dense to figure out how to search, what kind of cases?

 

[StJohn]

Hi everyone. Haven't posted in a long time but followed MDH case daily. Here is a quote from this interview with Dan and Gil Harrington re location of Morgan's murderer "Morgan's parents are appealing to the Charlottesville community to turn in a killer they say is hiding in plain sight." from:

http://www.nbc29.com/story/19847590/3-year-anniversary-of-morgan-harrington-disappearance

Gil goes on to say, "Animals stay close to their lair. They stay where they're comfortable and they stay where there's easy hunting at hand."

Watching JLM on that surveillance video closing in on Hannah so quickly, I don't believe this is his first rodeo.

 

[lateott]

You just be reading my mind. Until I read about the Liberty U rape accusation I was at a loss to figure out the trigger. He obviously had anger management issues as evidenced from the account by the lawyer who was attacked by LJM and then taken to the hospital. I think pretty young college girls he finds attractive bring out his anger at the loss of his college football career. I wonder if Christopher Newport found out about the rape allegation after school started in the fall and cut him in 2003. Or more sinister could another assault have taken place that resulted in his being cut. I have been highly curious since seeing the LE sketch of the rapist from the 2005 victim to see if he is connected to this and the MH case. There may be many more. I do not think he is connected to Samantha or Alexis, but anything is possible. God help the poor Graham family and the families of all the missing and murdered girls. My prayers are with them.

I don't know how well my post will be taken, but I am overwhelmed reading this interesting thread. I wonder is this a catharsis after the arrest, or is it a brainstorming session? I have been away from WS for years at a time, but I wonder does this happen with every case?

How do we get from an arrest (with no provided evidence except the last person reported with HG) to this person is a SAD serial killer responsible for every SA within 200 miles of every place he has been? He is even responsible for the cases of which he has been ruled out. It is like every bad SVU TV episode all wrapped into one.

Sorry Mimimak to use this as an example, but there are several similar posts and post captures some recurring themes, all the bolding from me.

Again, I don't mean to offend. The risk is some distraction from solving the current case, and a delay in finding HG. In my opinion solid sleuthing would not just make all the possible connections, it would also break the connections that don't apply (and not stretch to re-connect them.)

(Ducking) This is just a challenge to second guess yourselves and also be clear about the things that don't fit...maybe acknowledge the things that are imagination vs. evidence?

1. If he was falsely accused of the Liberty U (causing him anger and triggering serial mayhem), it is not evidence of a repeat offense. It cannot be both (unless he perceives he was wrongly accused and everything was taken from him.) Honestly though he doesn't appear to be a deep thinker (although I could picture him posing like The Thinker, chin on hand, for hours without thinking about anything at all.)

2. Truly how many episodes of anger have established the pattern of anger, SAD, bi-polarity? He got road rage and punched a guy, then felt bad. And what else?

3. (Most importantly) There is no evidence of anger in the HG case is there? He high fived two women 30 seconds before putting his arm around HG and establishing some kind of bond strong enough for her to wait for him outside a bar. I doubt she would have walked with and waited for a disturbed, brooding hunter out to satisfy seasonal whiteblondegirl bloodthirst.

4. Serial killers, crime rings, etc. are very, very rare. He doesn't seem bright enough to play.

I think he is a strange one, more than meets the eye, but not all he is being made out to be. I believe the arrest warrant required a buccal swab for DNA, so if there are connections I'm sure we will hear about them. I think it unlikely.

Seems more likely in this case something bad happened during the course of something else. I would really like to know the probable cause for intent to defile. They don't have her clothes. Maybe a text or photo on his phone.

Okay, throw something at me...

 

[gitana1]

Here is a start to a timeline... Feel free to edit, add, subtract etc... this at least gets us started!

2000 - Graduates from Monticello High School - Charlottesville, VA (co-captain of football team and MVP; also state wrestling champion)

2000-2002 - Attends Liberty University Lynchburg, VA, on football team during 2000, 2001, 2002 seasons

October 2002 – Accused of sexual assault at Liberty; expelled from school

January 2003-October 15, 2003 attended Christopher Newport University - Newport News, VA

* September 24, 2005 Fairfax, VA Rape

* October 17, 2009 Morgan Harrington, a 20 year old Virginia Tech student, went to Charlottesville with friends to attend a Metallica concert. On January 26, 2010 the remains of Morgan Harrington were discovered in a remote field, ten miles from the John Paul Jones Arena

2007-2010 Matthew holds a taxi permit in Virginia - shown in 2007 newspaper clipping with taxi

June 2009 - charged with assault and attempted grand larceny in Virginia; charges dropped

March 17, 2010 – charged with trespassing after forbidden – listed as living in Keswick, VA

* September 13, 2010 - 19-year-old Samantha Clarke told her then 14 year old brother that she was going out and would be back, but Samantha Clarke never came back.

* November 20, 2012 - Dashad Laquinn Smith is a transgender woman who has not been seen since November 20, 2012 when she was just 19 years old.

August 12, 2012 – becomes employee of University of Virginia Medical Center as operating room transporter

2012- possession of stolen property; charges dropped

* August 3, 2013, 17 year old, Alexis Murphy left her home in Shipman, Virginia and headed to Lynchburg to get her hair done. Murphy was last seen at a gas station in Lovingston, Virginia, 30 minutes south of Charlottesville

August/September 2014 – works as part time volunteer coach at private Covenant Christian School in Charlottesville

September 13, 2014 – Hannah Graham disappears – last seen with Matthew

September 18, 2014 – due in court for driving on suspended license

September 19, 2014 – search warrant issued for Matthew Car and Apartment

September 20, 2014 – Matthew comes into police station, asks for a lawyer and leaves after speaking to lawyer. Drives recklessly and loses surveillance. Warrant issued for 2 counts of reckless driving.

September 22, 2014 – Second search warrant for apartment issued; Arrest warrant issued for Matthew – “Abduction with the Intent to Defile”

September 24, 2014 – Matthew arrested in Galveston, Texas

September 25, 2014 – Extradition hearing held in Texas – no contest

Are you kidding? Wow! This is SO cool! Thank you so much for this wonderful timeline. I don;t know where you got all that info. Excellent!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

This will be so helpful in matching to other possible victims.

THANK YOU!

 

[Just K]

What has he lied about? Why would he have reason to make such a statement? If there is any possibility that JM is linked to Morgan, no officer would deny that. They aren't going to sabotage a future case against JM even if it's not their own case.

He didn't discuss the Harrington case. The media got it wrong.

 

[gitana1]

Here is a start to a timeline... Feel free to edit, add, subtract etc... this at least gets us started!

2000 - Graduates from Monticello High School - Charlottesville, VA (co-captain of football team and MVP; also state wrestling champion)

2000-2002 - Attends Liberty University Lynchburg, VA, on football team during 2000, 2001, 2002 seasons

October 2002 – Accused of sexual assault at Liberty; expelled from school

January 2003-October 15, 2003 attended Christopher Newport University - Newport News, VA

* September 24, 2005 Fairfax, VA Rape

* October 17, 2009 Morgan Harrington, a 20 year old Virginia Tech student, went to Charlottesville with friends to attend a Metallica concert. On January 26, 2010 the remains of Morgan Harrington were discovered in a remote field, ten miles from the John Paul Jones Arena

2007-2010 Matthew holds a taxi permit in Virginia - shown in 2007 newspaper clipping with taxi

June 2009 - charged with assault and attempted grand larceny in Virginia; charges dropped

March 17, 2010 – charged with trespassing after forbidden – listed as living in Keswick, VA

* September 13, 2010 - 19-year-old Samantha Clarke told her then 14 year old brother that she was going out and would be back, but Samantha Clarke never came back.

* November 20, 2012 - Dashad Laquinn Smith is a transgender woman who has not been seen since November 20, 2012 when she was just 19 years old.

August 12, 2012 – becomes employee of University of Virginia Medical Center as operating room transporter

2012- possession of stolen property; charges dropped

* August 3, 2013, 17 year old, Alexis Murphy left her home in Shipman, Virginia and headed to Lynchburg to get her hair done. Murphy was last seen at a gas station in Lovingston, Virginia, 30 minutes south of Charlottesville

August/September 2014 – works as part time volunteer coach at private Covenant Christian School in Charlottesville

September 13, 2014 – Hannah Graham disappears – last seen with Matthew

September 18, 2014 – due in court for driving on suspended license

September 19, 2014 – search warrant issued for Matthew Car and Apartment

September 20, 2014 – Matthew comes into police station, asks for a lawyer and leaves after speaking to lawyer. Drives recklessly and loses surveillance. Warrant issued for 2 counts of reckless driving.

September 22, 2014 – Second search warrant for apartment issued; Arrest warrant issued for Matthew – “Abduction with the Intent to Defile”

September 24, 2014 – Matthew arrested in Galveston, Texas

September 25, 2014 – Extradition hearing held in Texas – no contest

Only one thing. I think the links show he was convicted of trespassing in 2010 (not charged) and my belief is it stemmed from the 2009 road rage larceny, assault, trespassing charges and was not due to a separate incident.

 

[netsleuth]

I posted this before, but Longo's comments with respect to MH at THE END of this video are interesting:

http://myfox8.com/2014/09/23/hannah-graham-disappearance-what-we-know/

Wait for the video to load.

 

[Deba]

If you do the same search in Charlottesville instead of albemarle county, more cases show up.

I saw that. Some of the JLM cases (in both Albemarle County and Charlottesville) have a JLM Sr. and a different date of birth. Perhaps it is his father?

Is there a current timeline of the charges/cases for JLM?

 

[Just K]

you think a 300 pound 6'2 former football lineman is a medium size man ? what in the world are you talking about that is a very large person.

See the original description the weight estimate was 220lbs and height estimate was 6'0. He was nowhere near as heavy as he is now. Just look at his photos from 2007. He weighed a lot less. Even his stat page at LU says he weighed 215 in 2000 and in 2001
http://www.liberty.edu/flames/index.cfm?PID=10872&TeamID=9&RosterID=5769
http://www.liberty.edu/flames/index.cfm?PID=10872&TeamID=9&RosterID=5769

 

[TravelingBug]

Considering we've been told there was only one person WG was describing, and that it was the hair description part that was off, given the discussion here about JM's size and what people consider it, it's interesting to look at the description he gave LE and how it was passed on to the public.

The man was described by police as black, between 5-foot-10 and 5-foot-11, 250 to 285 pounds, with a close-shaved head, goatee, and a slight "beer belly." Police said the man was in his late 20s to early 30s and was wearing black jeans and a white t-shirt.

This is coming from another male. And it definitely seems that in most cases people do better guessing height, weight, and also age, if it's a person of their same gender.

Even with the height and weight (and now knowing JM was a bit taller than that) he was described as a having a slight "beer belly."

Obviously people have their own opinions of what constitutes a beer belly, but I think it's interesting that that description doesn't emphasize his size really (and many thought it actually downplayed it when other images and photos of JM were released)

And that's a description that came from a witness that night and then relayed by LE - who also had access to the video. It wasn't anything emphasizing him being "large" or "huge" or built like a linebacker, etc.

So I think it's easy to see how that can happen in cases where the degree of info that goes into a description or sketch can even vary more widely, even as it may pertain to whether or not JM even possibly fits some of these other cases due to the varying descriptions size wise.

 

[HokieBird]

It has been stated in a few places that JM liked to fish. Here is a link to the top fishing locations in Albemarle County. It pinpoints as one of the locations the North Fork Red River - right at the location that MH was found! This is also near JM's elementary school and just a few miles from one of his known addresses.

Albemarle Fishing Locations

Here is the location that MH was found:

Location of MH's body

 

[shutterbug22]

nevermind wrong person I think

 

[AVIXEN]

Only one thing. I think the links show he was convicted of trespassing in 2010 (not charged) and my belief is it stemmed from the 2009 road rage larceny, assault, trespassing charges and was not due to a separate incident.

Here's the link I have about the incidents:

http://wvtf.org/post/charlottesville-journalist-sheds-light-jesse-matthew

the attempted grand larceny and assault are from one incident and the trespassing is from another.

I'm not sure if that was what you were asking though but I hope this helps.