JLM: What Do We Know About Him?

[MJPeony]

The FBI says that it was DNA that linked the MH case to the Fairfax case:
http://www.fbi.gov/washingtondc/pre...dia-campaign-in-morgan-harrington-murder-case
http://www.fbi.gov/news/stories/201...an-harrington-killer/morgan-harrington_060412

So now, the question is - is that DNA in fact JM's?

Yes, right. And I just realized in my original post there that I didn't put in HG's name in my last sentence. I believe it that they have something provable and usable in court (DNA) to link JM to MH and Fairfax rape, and then also HG. This is based on LE saying that had "forensic evidence" that linked JM to MH and Fairfax. I don't think they would have mentioned the other cases if he wasn't also connected to HG.

 

[ksj3]

This is based on LE saying that had "forensic evidence" that linked JM to MH and Fairfax. I don't think they would have mentioned the other cases if he wasn't also connected to HG.

I only heard LE say there was forensic evidence linking JM to MH, not also to Fairfax (which is why this question keeps coming up - did they find MH's shoes, bracelet, or do they have his DNA, but then is it the same DNA as the Fairfax victim or did JM not act alone in the MH, or could he talk his way out of it because it was a hair of hers, and he drove a cab and drove her to a hotel that night?).

 

[johnallore]

You may have already covered this but...

If you look at JM's timeline under maps and timelines, you observe a guy who has been spiraling out of control for the last 10 years. The frequency and severity of his LE infractions increase from minor traffic infractions to assault and larceny, more severe traffic infractions, etc... Then the whole police HQ thing, with the run to Galveston: It was only a matter of time.

www.theresaallore.com

 

[HartsX3]

I only heard LE say there was forensic evidence linking JM to MH, not also to Fairfax (which is why this question keeps coming up - did they find MH's shoes, bracelet, or do they have his DNA, but then is it the same DNA as the Fairfax victim or did JM not act alone in the MH, or could he talk his way out of it because it was a hair of hers, and he drove a cab and drove her to a hotel that night?).

Hoping they have DNA and waiting for the results, and then going to press more charges on JM. I do not know how long it will take them to analyze DNA for a high profile case, beyond just "markers" to link.

 

[ksj3]

https://twitter.com/MattTalhelm/status/519598698024546305

Interesting - An envelope with a cross in it in JM's car in Texas. Why are they releasing this?

 

[human]

https://twitter.com/MattTalhelm/status/519598698024546305

Interesting - An envelope with a cross in it in JM's car in Texas. Why are they releasing this?

Ugh. From one of his believers. Don't worry buddy, the Lord is on your side.

 

[Meemaw12]

This IMO is worth listening to

http://insidecville.com/city/dr-jeffrey-fracher/

GUEST: Clinical Psychologist, Dr. Jeffrey Fracher.

TOPIC: Jeff discusses his four-plus decades working with violent sex offenders. “People need to understand that there are bad people out there, there are bad people who do these kinds of things. We need to do a better job with prevention, teaching our young people smarter decisions, smarter choices.”

 

[ksj3]

Ugh. From one of his believers. Don't worry buddy, the Lord is on your side.

I bet it was his minister. I'd love to know what the letter said, and what the other two items were.

 

[MJPeony]

https://twitter.com/MattTalhelm/status/519598698024546305

Interesting - An envelope with a cross in it in JM's car in Texas. Why are they releasing this?

Ksj3, thanks for sharing this. But is this "twitterer" legit? I see he's an NBC reporter, but how does he know this is accurate info he got?

Ok, never mind, I just answered my own question. He seems legit. It's all over other media sources. Wow, what an odd finding in his car. Was this in the orange car? I'm assuming.

 

[sixecho]

I only heard LE say there was forensic evidence linking JM to MH, not also to Fairfax (which is why this question keeps coming up - did they find MH's shoes, bracelet, or do they have his DNA, but then is it the same DNA as the Fairfax victim or did JM not act alone in the MH, or could he talk his way out of it because it was a hair of hers, and he drove a cab and drove her to a hotel that night?).

Yes. I think, from what I've read, there is DNA evidence linking MH and the Fairfax rape. So same perp. This was before HG disappeared. Now, LE also said there was a forensic link linking MH and JM. I think it was later clarified that that forensic link is DNA. IMO, if JM is the guy then the DNA link should match JM to the MH and Fairfax rape. I don't think LE has come out and said that so perhaps they found MH's DNA with JM???

 

[ksj3]

Yes. I think, from what I've read, there is DNA evidence linking MH and the Fairfax rape. So same perp. This was before HG disappeared. Now, LE also said there was a forensic link linking MH and JM. I think it was later clarified that that forensic link is DNA. IMO, if JM is the guy then the DNA link should match JM to the MH and Fairfax rape. I don't think LE has come out and said that so perhaps they found MH's DNA with JM???

Not necessarily, if there was more than one party involved. There IS DNA evidence linking MH to the Fairfax rape. LE has said there is forensic evidence linking JM to MH. I have not seen where they've also said there is forensic/DNA evidence linking JM to Fairfax rape. There could have been more than one person involved with MH, another one of which was the Fairfax perp. That could be the "link" that gives them more routes for investigation (or whatever the terminology was). Or, LE could be assuming we'd all assume and not announce the connection. Who knows. But I don't think LE has announced that JM is forensically linked to the Fairfax rape.

 

[MJPeony]

Yes. I think, from what I've read, there is DNA evidence linking MH and the Fairfax rape. So same perp. This was before HG disappeared. Now, LE also said there was a forensic link linking MH and JM. I think it was later clarified that that forensic link is DNA. IMO, if JM is the guy then the DNA link should match JM to the MH and Fairfax rape. I don't think LE has come out and said that so perhaps they found MH's DNA with JM???

I am personally convinced of this (bbm). LE came out with saying that JM was forensically linked AFTER several days and after they had been waiting for certain testing if I recall. So it seems only logical it was forensic testing that involved blood, hair, other type of DNA, something. IMO.

 

[ksj3]

Ksj3, thanks for sharing this. But is this "twitterer" legit? I see he's an NBC reporter, but how does he know this is accurate info he got?

Ok, never mind, I just answered my own question. He seems legit. It's all over other media sources. Wow, what an odd finding in his car. Was this in the orange car? I'm assuming.

https://twitter.com/MattTalhelm/status/519598698024546305 - Here's the conversation. NBC affiliate in Houston got it out of the car at the wrecking yard.

However, it's just junk mail, and only the envelope and cross left. Google Prophet Peter Popoff and his envelopes.

 

[Skigirl]

https://twitter.com/MattTalhelm/status/519598698024546305 - Here's the conversation. NBC affiliate in Houston got it out of the car at the wrecking yard.

However, it's just junk mail, and only the envelope and cross left. Google Prophet Peter Popoff and his envelopes.

The idea that the car was sent to the wrecking yard for people to randomly rake over sounds like BS to me. I mean, the car belongs to his sister. Either it's evidence, or its hers, I'm pretty sure they can't just dump it someplace after seizing it as evidence, especially since it belongs to someone who's presumably just an innocent bystander. I have to wonder about that 'affiliate' in Texas.

 

[jamicat]

The idea that the car was sent to the wrecking yard for people to randomly rake over sounds like BS to me. I mean, the car belongs to his sister. Either it's evidence, or its hers, I'm pretty sure they can't just dump it someplace after seizing it as evidence, especially since it belongs to someone who's presumably just an innocent bystander. I have to wonder about that 'affiliate' in Texas.

Around here, even if your car is stolen, it's sent to a lot and you have to pay to get it out. Tow fees and storage. Absolutely. If you want to recover costs you have to go through insurance if you are so covered or if the thief is nabbed you can sue the perp for restitution. But absolutely, you have to go pick up the car at one of those places so contracted with LE and pay to get it out.

 

[ksj3]

The idea that the car was sent to the wrecking yard for people to randomly rake over sounds like BS to me. I mean, the car belongs to his sister. Either it's evidence, or its hers, I'm pretty sure they can't just dump it someplace after seizing it as evidence, especially since it belongs to someone who's presumably just an innocent bystander. I have to wonder about that 'affiliate' in Texas.

This whole thing is being discussed in the "search" thread (though probably better belongs here). The current thought is that it is not evidence (for whatever reason), that the sister said he borrowed it (so he doesn't get a grand theft auto charge), and that she can't afford to have it returned from Texas. Hence, it is now in a junk yard.

 

[dotr]

http://www.fchornet.com/news/jesse-...s-over-uva-s-missing-hannah-graham-h7631.html

"Authorities announced on Tuesday that they had taken clothing during the search. Charlottesville Police Captain Gary Pleasants declined to comment on the importance of the clothing or give any further details on what prompted the second search.

As of Tuesday afternoon, the state lab was still analyzing evidence it has received from Charlottesville police, including nearly two dozen items and eight 'known samples that we would use for comparison purposes,' said Jeffrey Ban, director of the Department of Forensic Science's Central Laboratory in Richmond"

 

[MJPeony]

Dotr- fill me in on the section of that link that I should look at closer. tia

Ok, thanks. The first time you posted I only got the link. 8 known samples sounds encouraging.

 

[jamicat]

There's been a lot of discussion here on whether it was, or was not, DNA that LE was referring to regarding JM's link to MH and the Fairfax rape. I for one, have thought from the moment they said forensic evidence that it was something scientifically "provable", but I just now went and looked up the legal definition of "forensic evidence":

" Forensic evidence is evidence obtained by scientific methods such as ballistics, blood test, and DNA test and used in court. Forensic evidence often helps to establish the guilt or innocence of possible suspects. Analysis of forensic evidence is used in the investigation and prosecution of civil as well as criminal proceedings. Forensic evidence can be used to link crimes that are thought to be related to one another...."

From http://definitions.uslegal.com/f/forensic-evidence/

Seems to me that whatever forensic evidence they have is provable and usable in court to link JM to MH and Fairfax rape. JMO.

MSM reports have said that there has been unofficial word that the link is DNA. However, we don't know where, what, points of match, etc. Also, I don't think the matches were officially taken directly from JM for that link. We'll probably hear more when those results are run for matches. Maybe then, there will be word about a conclusive match to the 2005 Fairfax rape case as well as to MH's case. We don't know what of MH's is linked right now Could be her shirt, just don't know for sure.

 

[FindHG]

Yep, the car, the law, comparing media coverage, the social impact issues, the "others" involved, the WG, just rando things, the sex-trade and other alternatives theories, etc... could be coat-tailing, ploys, or trolls, boredom, issues...

Meanwhile, to find Hannah Graham... JM won't talk so it has to be pieced together without him. He sure wasn't lucky with cameras so far. Information doesn't usually go backwards, might get side tracked, but it flows out. Getting to know JM isn't fun but necessary.