Jodi Arias TAKES THE STAND #35 *may contain graphic and adult content*

[seguek9]

I want to make it clear that I personally believe Jodi is a psychopath and assumed things about Travis' thoughts and feelings based on nothing more than the distorted lens through which she viewed everything.

We will never know the entire truth about their relationship, because she slaughtered him in cold blood.

IMO

I agree....my oh crap was in reference to that one juror ....I think you are right ....

 

[WhoaIsMe]

I've been in and out of here today and may have missed it but at any point in all of these text and emails does she ever confront TA about being 1.) controlling 2)Abusive 3) a pedophile or any combination of the three OR are we just getting this by her word all these years later?

 

[Curious Me]

Well, I don't know what's going on with me lately. I sit around my house in my bathrobe, leave my dishes in the sink, while I listen to people talk about sex and all day. Time has no meaning anymore, sometimes I'm in 2006 and then find myself in 2008. It's like I'm in some kind of stupor over frappachino stories - I go there for comfort when the anal gets too much. Please help me Juan Martinez.

 

[Rosemary Pierce]

Near the metropolis of Enterprise

Lol, oh yeah Enterprise is a metropolis all right. I live in Hurley Miss. We have one four way stop. It's where all the movers and shakers want to be.

 

[Turnadot]

So sleepy. Must sleep.

G'night, sleuthers!

 

[coopzoo]

I'm back. I can see where it would seem that way. Actually, the opposite is true. We believe that with baptism and temple covenants, you make sacred promises to God. We believe you are accountable for those promises. When someone is excommunicated, it is a release from those covenants. Then, if they want to come back, they are given the opportunity to be rebaptized to take on those promises/responsibilities again.

Someone asked how I felt about Travis in light of what we have heard. My view is complex because I am also an attorney who represents families with kids who have his history. Being raised in a meth lab home for the first ten years is something you never get over. If you do not get love in your first 0-3 years from a caregiver, it is difficult to make up for the deficits which can occur. Often, in these kids, we see sexual behavior as a way to feel loved and attached. Since they may be afraid of the emotional commitment (because they were neglected or hurt when young), they may be much more comfortable with physical gratification as a means of meeting their need to be loved. As a result, these kids often have a much higher rate of sexual promiscuity regardless of religious faith.

<<RESPECTFULLY SNIPPED FOR SPACE>>

Having said that, Travis was beautiful no matter what. He was and is a son of God. He was and is precious to his Father in Heaven. The greatest sadness I have is that his beautiful life was not preserved long enough to find out the great things he would do. JA was a detour in his life. She was not his life. He had great things to accomplish - inside the Church, as well as outside. I would have loved to see him have that chance.

In the end, I just have a special place in my heart for kids like Travis. I have seen the load they carry - they smile and laugh, but they have to overcome alot. I am proud of all that he accomplished. Given his history, I am not at all surprised by the things we have learned. I only feel pain that he did not get the opportunity to continue to fight and grow and become. I am sure we hadn't seen anything yet.

Just my two cents, for what they are worth.

Beautiful post, MA. Thank you for your candor. :blowkiss:

 

[Rosemary Pierce]

Well, I don't know what's going on with me lately. I sit around my house in my bathrobe, leave my dishes in the sink, while I listen to people talk about sex and all day. Time has no meaning anymore, sometimes I'm in 2006 and then find myself in 2008. It's like I'm in some kind of stupor over frappachino stories - I go there for comfort when the anal gets too much. Please help me Juan Martinez.

Lol, Stahp!

 

[Steely Dan]

So sleepy. Must sleep.

G'night, sleuthers!

I'm considering fftobed: myself and then getting up in the middle of the night.

 

[coopzoo]

I'm considering fftobed: myself and then getting up in the middle of the night.

OT: Steely - LOL at your Red Riding Hood...:great:

 

[TotallyObsessed]

JVM buying into the TA was an abuser defense. I rarely watch her or NG. Has she always seemed to side with team JA?

Yes she has. but actually I'm am now thinking that because she comes on before Nancy Grace she takes the opposite view it's all entertainment to them

 

[Quester]

See the post below, it wasn't her saying something it's what happened. JM went postal on her :butthead:

Actually, she did say one interesting thing. She doesn't like saying the word "penis" in public. It's embarrassing.

Oh yes, yes, yes ... I remember now ... thanks for reminding me of that snippet of sanity! Go Juan!

And, penis ... smenis - JA is a spewing contradiction!

 

[McNEverest]

Dave Hall, Travis' friend just summed it up on JVM..
It's nice to see what good friends TA did have to help Us understand what happened and hopefully Juan will keep this in mind too?

JA was a Drug to Travis, a Sex Drug and when addicted you find a way to get that fix No? especially when there is a Jezebel like JA that won't get out of your face and life!
IMO makes perfect sense!

Ty Dave :rocker:

 

[Rosemary Pierce]

I've been in and out of here today and may have missed it but at any point in all of these text and emails does she ever confront TA about being 1.) controlling 2)Abusive 3) a pedophile or any combination of the three OR are we just getting this by her word all these years later?

Her feelings were hurt because he didn't give her a shout out in a book he was writing.....that's were we left off.

 

[JSR]

Juan at work :rocker:

http://youtu.be/X_ki_SjxpbE?t=49m31s

So it looks like she tried to pull a fast one.

 

[Really?]

Ha....George carlin was the answer in jeopardy tonight. I won lol

 

[my2sense]

Ex parte motions, restraining orders based on false allegations, depositions, subpoenas, forensic accounting reports, medical evaluations, employment evaluations, custody evaluations, Emergency Screenings, Case Management Conferences, Judicial Custody Conferences, Settlement Officer Conferences, Settlement Conference, motions for custody/support modifications - anyone else wanna chime in here?

Mentally disturbed exes acting as pro se litigants dragging their ex spouses into court at least once a month for ten years because they don't want to pay any child support and want custody so they can be the receiver of child support. TMI?

 

[especiallyheather]

LOL, all to be done in by a memory card. You dun goofed Jodi :fence:

lets not forget her hair, dna and her bloody palm print...

 

[Linda7NJ]

I'm back. I can see where it would seem that way. Actually, the opposite is true. We believe that with baptism and temple covenants, you make sacred promises to God.
Respectfully sniped for length...
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I have a quick question. I hope you don't mind.

If Travis did confide in his bishop, how would anyone else know about it?

 

[Troubled]

I'm back. I can see where it would seem that way. Actually, the opposite is true. We believe that with baptism and temple covenants, you make sacred promises to God. We believe you are accountable for those promises. When someone is excommunicated, it is a release from those covenants. Then, if they want to come back, they are given the opportunity to be rebaptized to take on those promises/responsibilities again.

Someone asked how I felt about Travis in light of what we have heard. My view is complex because I am also an attorney who represents families with kids who have his history. Being raised in a meth lab home for the first ten years is something you never get over. If you do not get love in your first 0-3 years from a caregiver, it is difficult to make up for the deficits which can occur. Often, in these kids, we see sexual behavior as a way to feel loved and attached. Since they may be afraid of the emotional commitment (because they were neglected or hurt when young), they may be much more comfortable with physical gratification as a means of meeting their need to be loved. As a result, these kids often have a much higher rate of sexual promiscuity regardless of religious faith.

Having said that, church is a hospital for sinners. I am one. He was leading a double life (my guess is that it would not have been popular in the predominantly Mormon/PPL world to be messing around to the extent he was - so from a sales perspective, it was probably smart to play the role of the 30 year old virgin). He was not living the covenants he had made. It appears he also apparently lied to his nice girlfriends about what he was doing.

If I was the mama of one of those girls, I'd be all over him - grin!

But, as a fellow Mormon, I would have loved him. I also would have welcomed Jodi into my home. I would have supported them in any way I could - even after knowing what they were doing. We all know the road they were on is not the road to happiness. Both of them appear younger than their chronological ages in many respects (I'd like to know her history). I would have done anything I could do to help both of them.

Now that Travis is gone, how do I feel? Sad. Knowing how he loved his siblings, I know he would not want for them to go through this. I am sure his heart must ache for all they are going through. He never would have wanted this for them.

But, aside from his family, how do I feel about what he did? We have a saying in the country regarding electric fences (that keep cattle in) - there are two kinds of people - some who believe you when you say the fence is hot and others who need to lick it before they will believe you.

What I am trying to say is there are many in the LDS faith who make it to marriage and have honored the law of chastity. There are also many who, for some reason, took another path. At the end of the day, many close to me have become great leaders in the church after they have gone on forbidden paths and felt the power of Christ's atonement and repentance. In fact, some of the strongest members/leaders I know have walked that road. They KNOW the power of the atonement and they have powerful testimonies. They would never recommend the road, but they are beautiful at helping others back on the path because they have been there themselves.

Travis never got to finish his life. He never got to decide if he wanted to repent or go see his bishop. We don't know the end and we can't judge. What we do know is that he was trying to get away from Jodi (the reason she killed him). What would another year or six months have brought? With his beautiful spirit and all he had overcome, I believe that without Jodi in his life, he would have been strong again in whatever he wanted.

Having said that, Travis was beautiful no matter what. He was and is a son of God. He was and is precious to his Father in Heaven. The greatest sadness I have is that his beautiful life was not preserved long enough to find out the great things he would do. JA was a detour in his life. She was not his life. He had great things to accomplish - inside the Church, as well as outside. I would have loved to see him have that chance.

In the end, I just have a special place in my heart for kids like Travis. I have seen the load they carry - they smile and laugh, but they have to overcome alot. I am proud of all that he accomplished. Given his history, I am not at all surprised by the things we have learned. I only feel pain that he did not get the opportunity to continue to fight and grow and become. I am sure we hadn't seen anything yet.

Just my two cents, for what they are worth.

The thank you button was not good enough. I feel I just need to say THANK YOU! Your words warmed my heart. Thank you.

 

[TotallyObsessed]

You are a wonderful person

I'm back. I can see where it would seem that way. Actually, the opposite is true. We believe that with baptism and temple covenants, you make sacred promises to God. We believe you are accountable for those promises. When someone is excommunicated, it is a release from those covenants. Then, if they want to come back, they are given the opportunity to be rebaptized to take on those promises/responsibilities again.

Someone asked how I felt about Travis in light of what we have heard. My view is complex because I am also an attorney who represents families with kids who have his history. Being raised in a meth lab home for the first ten years is something you never get over. If you do not get love in your first 0-3 years from a caregiver, it is difficult to make up for the deficits which can occur. Often, in these kids, we see sexual behavior as a way to feel loved and attached. Since they may be afraid of the emotional commitment (because they were neglected or hurt when young), they may be much more comfortable with physical gratification as a means of meeting their need to be loved. As a result, these kids often have a much higher rate of sexual promiscuity regardless of religious faith.

Having said that, church is a hospital for sinners. I am one. He was leading a double life (my guess is that it would not have been popular in the predominantly Mormon/PPL world to be messing around to the extent he was - so from a sales perspective, it was probably smart to play the role of the 30 year old virgin). He was not living the covenants he had made. It appears he also apparently lied to his nice girlfriends about what he was doing.

If I was the mama of one of those girls, I'd be all over him - grin!

But, as a fellow Mormon, I would have loved him. I also would have welcomed Jodi into my home. I would have supported them in any way I could - even after knowing what they were doing. We all know the road they were on is not the road to happiness. Both of them appear younger than their chronological ages in many respects (I'd like to know her history). I would have done anything I could do to help both of them.

Now that Travis is gone, how do I feel? Sad. Knowing how he loved his siblings, I know he would not want for them to go through this. I am sure his heart must ache for all they are going through. He never would have wanted this for them.

But, aside from his family, how do I feel about what he did? We have a saying in the country regarding electric fences (that keep cattle in) - there are two kinds of people - some who believe you when you say the fence is hot and others who need to lick it before they will believe you.

What I am trying to say is there are many in the LDS faith who make it to marriage and have honored the law of chastity. There are also many who, for some reason, took another path. At the end of the day, many close to me have become great leaders in the church after they have gone on forbidden paths and felt the power of Christ's atonement and repentance. In fact, some of the strongest members/leaders I know have walked that road. They KNOW the power of the atonement and they have powerful testimonies. They would never recommend the road, but they are beautiful at helping others back on the path because they have been there themselves.

Travis never got to finish his life. He never got to decide if he wanted to repent or go see his bishop. We don't know the end and we can't judge. What we do know is that he was trying to get away from Jodi (the reason she killed him). What would another year or six months have brought? With his beautiful spirit and all he had overcome, I believe that without Jodi in his life, he would have been strong again in whatever he wanted.

Having said that, Travis was beautiful no matter what. He was and is a son of God. He was and is precious to his Father in Heaven. The greatest sadness I have is that his beautiful life was not preserved long enough to find out the great things he would do. JA was a detour in his life. She was not his life. He had great things to accomplish - inside the Church, as well as outside. I would have loved to see him have that chance.

In the end, I just have a special place in my heart for kids like Travis. I have seen the load they carry - they smile and laugh, but they have to overcome alot. I am proud of all that he accomplished. Given his history, I am not at all surprised by the things we have learned. I only feel pain that he did not get the opportunity to continue to fight and grow and become. I am sure we hadn't seen anything yet.

Just my two cents, for what they are worth.