Jodi Arias TAKES THE STAND #36 *may contain graphic and adult content*

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  • #1,681
Excellent point! I have come round to thinking the gun was the logical first choice. She effectively had Travis cornered and probably intended to pick him off with a single shot. I believe she was carrying the knife as insurance - and needed it.

Further - have you noticed the general feeling that Travis was staring at the gun in the final face photo? That interpretation owes too much to film. It's clear he is staring straight into the camera lens. In my opinion the tiny .25 was on the floor behind her, in her pocket, or elsewhere out of sight. She dropped the camera to pick up the gun.

After the slaughter she then trod on the upside-down camera, inadvertently taking the most incriminating photo of all.

Here's the ME report.

http://cnninsession.files.wordpress.com/2012/10/redactedtravisautopsy.pdf


Stabbed first. Also if you search around (maybe timeline thread) there is a picture of the bullet casing sitting on top of a dried pool of blood, completely clean, no blood on it.
 
  • #1,682
I've been reviewing videos and reading comments elsewhere and I get very disappointed when people interpret their distaste for the sexual proclivities of TA and interpret that as being abusive and evidence of abuse.

I asked a psychologist friend who specializes in sex issues what he thought of the activities mentioned and he said there was nothing unusual at all demonstrated. These types of sexual fantasies are not new, they're simply coming more into light now. He also added that there's nothing wrong with finding them distasteful either, it's just a matter of preference. Also, we have to bear in mind that this was supposed to be a private and intimate conversation. I think it's terrible that TA has to be scrutinized over something so private. I mean, we very likely have people around us that participate in things that one might find just as shocking and/or distasteful in the bedroom, and yet we wouldn't insist they're abused for it. This stuff is purely anecdotal but I found it interesting, it is in line with everything I researched as well.

She consented to all of this. She said it was because she liked Travis, but that does not make it abuse and her motives do not withdraw her consent. I really hope the jury understands this.

No one knows the extent of Jodi's enjoyment, I believe she did a lot of things to try to control Travis by trying to make herself irresistible. I do not believe she did not enjoy everything though, I just don't.

People have pondered a lot about why they had "romp" so long before the crime. I feel like that she actually enjoyed the sex to a certain extent at least and either:

1) Although she planned on murdering him in the first place, had the rage motivation after viewing an email or text while he was in the shower. She admitted to spying on him when he was in the shower or...

2) Perhaps PLANNED on murdering him in the shower to make for easy forensic cleanup (she planned everything else, why not that) and was surprised when he was able to fight back.

Anyway, please forgive the rant, too much time to stew today with no testimony! XD
 
  • #1,683
As I understand the crime scene photos, the bullet casing resided near the sink on top of a collection of dried blood. The conclusion that is often drawn – “casing on top of blood” means the “gun shot followed the stabbing” – however, is flawed. We know there was a lot of movement of both bodies. There was a violent struggle going on in the bathroom, the hallway, and finally in the bedroom. That single bullet casing could easily have been kicked on top of a blood splatter while struggling or even while JA was frantically trying to clean up. It cannot be apodictically inferred that the casing came to rest at a point where it was expelled by the gun.

I believe indeed that the gun shot came first, followed on by the rain of stab wounds. Why would a smart murderess like JA open her assault with a messy unsure knife attack when she could inflict an instantaneous death with a well targeted gunshot wound to the brain? JA just didn’t know where in TA head to point the gun in order to bring him down. Had she studied crime movies she would have known to point the gun through TA temple and try for a horizontal trajectory through TA midbrain or to put a bullet through his open mouth pointing straight back

I have gone back and forth on whether I think the gun shot came first or last. One of the things that doesn't make sense for the gun shot first though... If she was going to shoot him... wouldn't she have just shot him in the back of the head when she took the picture of his back or something?
 
  • #1,684
Its like they have a list of characteristics of an abused woman and they are systematically accusing travis of everyone of them. I think they just threw the pedo in there for good measure.
I tend to agree they're throwing in whatever can cast him in the worst light possible. Who doesn't revile a pedophile?

In terms of the abuse though, we have: financial, religious, sexual, physical and emotional in a 5 month relationship with absolutely no escalation. :waitasec: To hear Jodi's accounts he was beating her silly on like date #3. (Okay, I might be prone to hyperbole here.) In my past six years of volunteer work and personal research into domestic violence, hers is the first I've heard of that started out so brutally physically abusive with little to no romancing and lead up of emotional abuse.

It will be interesting to see if the defense DV expert broaches that area. Or if its skipped over for 'convenience'. ;)
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And...on the topic of whether Travis used Jodi for sex. Moot point BUT sexual coercion is very common in abusive relationships. My opinion is the reason sex is so front and foreword in this case is because their sex history can be (probably with some aid of the defense DV expert) manipulated to appear as consistent with intimate partner violence.

Their sex history (the pics, the phone sex tape, and texts) and a few choice names are really the only 'evidence' they have. On their own they aren't evidence of abuse but with a few twists and turns, and the testimony of both Jodi and her expert, this is where I think its all leading.

Sex is crucial to abuse if they can sway the jury that it's humiliating, demeaning, degrading and Jodi was forced to comply.

Personally, I think its a hell of a long shot.
MOO
 
  • #1,685
Oh dear God, Gus is going to be on JVM. :banghead:
 
  • #1,686
remember jodi speaking so casually about being one of the other women, and not his main girlfriend....

uh huh.

trying to pretend this is not the issue.

so what, they are playing sex games....she is putting out and putting up in order to reel him in...

she went there and decided if he didn't get back together she was going to kill him....

he was probably pissed that she snuck back in that house with a camera and may have tried to lunge for the gun when she dropped the camera, which then continued to take photos. I think those back stabs happened after she told him to pose for the back shot.

I say she planned this and laid in wait...for him to say you have to leave, I need to get ready for my trip.

with my girlfriend.

this is still a death penalty case, and I think she deserves it....she freely admits she stayed because she wanted to and had her own free will.

she planned it all out.

The photo of his back is the last one taken of him in the shower? I guess by the sequence of the photos, I had always thought the last one was of him sitting in the bottom of the shower. I didn't see a time stamp on that one though. Could someone clarify that for me? TIA :)
 
  • #1,687
I've been reviewing videos and reading comments elsewhere and I get very disappointed when people interpret their distaste for the sexual proclivities of TA and interpret that as being abusive and evidence of abuse.

I asked a psychologist friend who specializes in sex issues what he thought of the activities mentioned and he said there was nothing unusual at all demonstrated. These types of sexual fantasies are not new, they're simply coming more into light now. He also added that there's nothing wrong with finding them distasteful either, it's just a matter of preference. Also, we have to bear in mind that this was supposed to be a private and intimate conversation. I think it's terrible that TA has to be scrutinized over something so private. I mean, we very likely have people around us that participate in things that one might find just as shocking and/or distasteful in the bedroom, and yet we wouldn't insist they're abused for it. This stuff is purely anecdotal but I found it interesting, it is in line with everything I researched as well.

She consented to all of this. She said it was because she liked Travis, but that does not make it abuse and her motives do not withdraw her consent. I really hope the jury understands this.

No one knows the extent of Jodi's enjoyment, I believe she did a lot of things to try to control Travis by trying to make herself irresistible. I do not believe she did not enjoy everything though, I just don't.

People have pondered a lot about why they had "romp" so long before the crime. I feel like that she actually enjoyed the sex to a certain extent at least and either:

1) Although she planned on murdering him in the first place, had the rage motivation after viewing an email or text while he was in the shower. She admitted to spying on him when he was in the shower or...

2) Perhaps PLANNED on murdering him in the shower to make for easy forensic cleanup (she planned everything else, why not that) and was surprised when he was able to fight back.

Anyway, please forgive the rant, too much time to stew today with no testimony! XD

I totally agree!! I would be mortified if my texts / emails / phone calls were broadcast to the whole world. I probably wouldn't come off all that clean either Lol. There's no doubt in my mind that TA would have backed off if she had said "Hey, this is going too far and is making me uncomfortable." or something.... Calling it abuse after you've murdered the man is disgusting.
 
  • #1,688
Supposedly, Jodi called Gus, right after she killed TA. I wonder if there's phone record evidence of this.
 
  • #1,689
Weren't the Hughes in Mexico when this happened? I thought Travis was supposed to meet them in Mexico the day after he was killed...or the next day. I could be wrong :moo:
You're right. Chris and Sky were already in Cancun - they'd decided to go there early. He'd tried reaching Travis but wasn't overly concerned when he couldn't. He made the assumption Travis was just busy.

Travis' body was discovered June 9th. He was due to leave for Cancun June 10th.
 
  • #1,690
Hi everyone :seeya: I took a mental health break (from JA), skipped out on 2 days of trial. I heard Gus made his appearance duing the prosecutorial misconduct hearing?
 
  • #1,691
At what time did the knife and gun appear? We know from the camera time stamps things happened quickly. Surely not enough time to go downstairs and get a knife, locate the gun? She must have brought them into the bathroom with her right? How did he not see them though? Maybe she took the pics, walked out, came back and committed the murder? Wasn't it found that there were no missing knives in his house? If so I just cannot explain away the fact a knife not from the house was used, and the same type of gun that went missing from her grandparents house. I had a dream the other night she was found innocent. :(
 
  • #1,692
Excellent point! I have come round to thinking the gun was the logical first choice. She effectively had Travis cornered and probably intended to pick him off with a single shot. I believe she was carrying the knife as insurance - and needed it.

Further - have you noticed the general feeling that Travis was staring at the gun in the final face photo? That interpretation owes too much to film. It's clear he is staring straight into the camera lens. In my opinion the tiny .25 was on the floor behind her, in her pocket, or elsewhere out of sight. She dropped the camera to pick up the gun.

After the slaughter she then trod on the upside-down camera, inadvertently taking the most incriminating photo of all.


I guess we will all have to agree to disagree when it comes to the sequence of events. I tend to believe the ME, it just made more sense to me. I'm not saying that I know for fact that that's what happened, but that's what I believe happened.
Regardless of which came first.....it certainly doesn't make it any less brutal.
 
  • #1,693
Hey there...
I am a little bit worried about Travis's family wearing their ribbons....
During our beautiful girl's murder trial, we were told outright by the judge that during the trial we were not allowed to wear our white ribbons or show any type of emotion during the trial phase of the process.....this made news where we live (Halifax Nova Scotia Canada)
Many court cases were referred to and we removed our ribbons accordingly.....
They told us. That it might be a case of prosecutorial misconduct if we did not allow the jury to operate in an entirely free from b Ian's courtroom...there is a great article on this topic (I don't know how to lINK) under"hearts on their sleeves- symbolic displays of emotion by spectators in criminal trials "
Just wanted to mention this as a mistrial would be the worst thing possible...
As always my thoughts and prayers to Travis's family's friends and all of us here at web sleuths as we try to comprehend the death of a beautiful human being.
 
  • #1,694
The photo of his back is the last one taken of him in the shower? I guess by the sequence of the photos, I had always thought the last one was of him sitting in the bottom of the shower. I didn't see a time stamp on that one though. Could someone clarify that for me? TIA :)

The one of him sitting in the shower is last. I'd have to go find it, but I've seen the pics with all of the times listed. There's the one face straight, then the lowered version of that showing the rest of his body sitting down... the one after that is the ceiling picture when she "dropped" the camera.
 
  • #1,695
This is simply Gus "sticking it to " JM for not returing his calls.
 
  • #1,696
Lol Gus Searcy "She tells me he dead, I asked if she was alright. Did you need a ride?" Ummm something is wrong with this guy.
 
  • #1,697
Can't respond to every NUT----------------------love it!!
 
  • #1,698
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As to the doggie door, from what I've seen of jodi and doggie doors, he must have had a St. Bernard...those doors are normally small.:beagle: :seeya:

Had a size large dog door for my boxers and had to force myself through it one night when I locked myself outside in the rain by accident. St. Bernard would take a x-large. I've also wondered why he had a dog door large enough for Jodi to fit through, for a small pug.
 
  • #1,699
JVM is funny tonight with Gus and the panel. They don't believe him. I wonder why. LOL
 
  • #1,700
As has been amply discussed by the “talking heads” this week, the “so what if TA used JA for a sexual object” counts toward the notion that JA was abused. Initially, the defense contends, JA was psychologically “abused” and then defense contends she was physically battered. This kind of abuse does not excuse per se a self-defense homicide; but the defense is laying the foundation that suggests a certain “state of mind”.

The “state of mind” stemming from repeated abuse will then explain the “I snapped” phenomenon. The “I snapped” will then explain the “over kill”. It, of course, remains to be seen if the jury buys this convoluted explanation but this account that has laboriously and ponderously been laid down over the past 3 weeks may get JA off death row. And if that turns out to be the case, ( if not a downgraded verdict to 2nd degree murder) it will represent a HUGE victory for the defense.

I personally will wager that JA will NOT be sentenced to death if found guilty of 1 st degree murder and that will be because of the reasons cited above.

That didn't work with Andriano who pulled the same schtick. This jury may find the same decision.


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