jodi Arias TAKES THE STAND #51 *may contain graphic and adult content*

[JusticeJunkie]

Hello Websleuths!

I've been reading a while but this is my first time posting.

I do feel that Juan Martinez did an amazing job on cross examination for the most part, however, I felt like there were a couple of points he could have made regarding some inconsistences between her testimony about the "broken finger incident" and the actual evidence we see in the text messages. (forgive me if this has already been pointed out on here...I haven't read every single page of comments). IIRC, JA states that the fight leading to the broken finger started over Travis getting angry because she wouldn't lend him $200 (he called her "selfish", I believe she said). However the text messages clearly reveal and Jodi herself admitted that SHE borrowed money from Travis that day (the text message stating "did you make the deposit?) I know Juan got her to admit that but I'm not sure that the jury will remember exactly what she said regarding how the fight got started. I wish he would have pointed out this inconsistency to Jodi so that her lie was evident to the jury. I wish he would have asked her point blank about her testimony regarding the money lending. Maybe he will go back to that at another point, but I felt like it was a wasted opportunity. Also, in regards to the car...Jodi keeps insisting that Travis was the one who wanted to exchange cars and yet he writes something to the effect of "I got a ride so you could pick up the car and now you fell asleep. Guess you didn't need it that badly." Not verbatim...but that was the gist of his texts to her. So how can she say that he was the one that was asking to exchange the cars? Makes no sense. And since it was obvious that SHE was the one who wanted to exchange the car...why did she not do it earlier at the house (the first time she left, when she forgot the angel). I surmise it's because she wasn't even there. Secondly, if she really had, in fact, seen what she claims to have seen Travis doing, why would she have been asking Travis to exchange cars? She said she wanted to stay away from him after that...even going to the Temple (or whatever) to avoid seeing him. These are inconsistencies that are blaringly obvious...that she can't wiggle out of. Why would Juan not point these out? I realize I'm "armchair quarterbacking" here and I'm not a lawyer...but I found myself really disappointed by these missed opportunities. I guess there is still time for him to address these things...but why not do it then instead of harping on things like what the exact time was that she got off of work and such. And another thing...if Travis had a landline, why not get those records in order to refute her testimony about Travis calling her over and over after the incident. She weaseled her way out of cell phone call stuff by claiming he must have called her from his landline. I can't believe they couldn't get a hold of his landline records from that day...unless the phone company doesn't hold records for very long (which would surprise me). I'm sure Juan is going to kick major ...but I worry that the jury is not getting these inconsistencies. After the Casey Anthony verdict, I'm extremely worried about the intellectual and comprehensive abilities of jurors. I do feel that if this evil woman walks like CA did (or even gets 2nd degree murder), my faith in our justice will be completely destroyed. I don't know how any rational person can look at the facts of this case and not find her guilty of first degree murder.

~gwen

wELCOME!!!!
One of the things I wish he had pointed out was that no matter where the call originated, it would have shown up on Jodi's cell as an incoming call.
All five happened to be from his cell.

 

[WhoaIsMe]

Does anybody know if there is a complete transcript anywhere of Dr Horn's testimony, preferably with cross: or a video?

I'm looking for a particular explanation that he gave of the GS wound, in it he describes what he means by indeterminate. I seem to recall him saying that either the gun was at least a (?) certain distance away or that there was something between the gun and Travis but I can't seem to find that now. I can't recall if he was talking to Jm or Nurmi. TIA if anybody knows.

 

[Smelly Squirrel]

If she had broken her finger, it would have been grossly swollen, black and blue and she would have had to splint it in order to use it to cut up lemons, open bottles and do all the other manual tasks associated with bar tending so I don't believe she had one for a minute. If she had, every single person who worked with her would have heard her cry out everytime it was hit or bent for weeks. So it didn't happen IMO.

Her finger was probably injured at some time, but it wasn't broken, it was only sprained. I've done that multiple times to various fingers, and they are still bent today. It depends on the exact injury on how well you can use the hand afterward or whether you need a splint. It wouldn't turn black and blue, but it would be swollen for some time.

I'm not convinced the injury necessarily happened on 6/4, but I am convinced it didn't happen on 1/22.

 

[WhoaIsMe]

As for hand defensive wounds, how do you explain no DNA in any of his fingernails?

Because he was grabbing at the knife.

 

[Morning Glory]

But she didnt start by stabbing his heart..right? Because he was able to stand at the sink and move down the hallway? So initially she was stabbing him in less deadly areas. I think he was incapacitated already, when those wounds were being inflicted.

But I could be wrong. Nothing she does makes any sense, so I don't know why I even bother trying to figure her out.

It wasn't directly to the heart but a major vessel next to it. The coroner testified that he would still have a minute to two mins before becoming incapacitated.

 

[katydid23]

Are you a forensic astrologer? No rudeness or snark intended, I am really curious.

Yes. She is one of the very BEST. :star:

 

[gngr~snap]

As for hand defensive wounds, how do you explain no DNA in any of his fingernails?

JMO
The body chooses fight or flight.
He was trying to flee
at least to get out of the house for help.

Shot in the head or stabbed first makes no difference imo.
He knew his life was in danger.

 

[seguek9]

Wonder if forensics checked that BR drain for blood. Wouldn't that be a find if they had TAs blood there washed off by the blanked out murderess. But then again since she had a gun etc. she is diabolical to have covered herself in something which magically got tossed in the Hoover Dam or the dumpster.

The whole Hoover Dam thing registers on my hinky meter...surely they have cams there....

 

[Zeno49]

Or, perhaps she was behind him, standing over him dragging him down the hall, back of his head resting against her shins. When she got to where the hall meets with the bathroom, she reached over and picked up the gun (or, grabbed it out of her purse - or picked it up off the sink counter) and gave one last death blow shot, before shoving him into the shower stall.

.

I have always found it hard to believe that JA would have shot TA in the head in order to “finish him off”.
I believe JA went to Mesa to kill TA and she carried a gun and a knife or knives with her.

JA had to choose a time to kill TA; that is, she was waiting for an opportunity.
One candidate would have been tying up TA during sex.
JA sagaciously thought about “offing him “ in the shower. So JA dressed packed and got her weapons in place ie into pants pockets and then posed as the “shower photographer”. She lured him into a vulnerable position while in the shower.

Diversion=
TA was physically larger more agile than JA. TA was athletic – a wrestler. So a direct attack at him would likely have been problematic and uncertain. If JA had attacked TA and failed the entire enterprise would have ended in a disaster.

If JA had access to both a gun and a knife why in the world would she use a knife to initiate an attack on a victim that was both larger and stronger than she was?? Even with the element of surprise an opening knife thrust to the chest or body would have been very very RISKY.

It makes NO sense.

Given a choice of weapons you merely pull out a gun and shoot TA in the head FIRST. With this lethal wound, normally you would be done with it and the murder completed inside the shower stall. Unfortunately JA did not aim correctly and did not kill him with the first shot. The head shot did not render him unconscious.
(I maintain the shell casing was disturbed and moved from its initial resting place during the ensuing melee)


IMPROBABLILITY OF SHOOT LAST

JA successfully plunges a knife into TA chest and back over 20 times. Then because TA still would not die JA straddles him; pulls his neck up and slices his throat open with a single stroke from TA left to right.
He exsanguinates over a minute or so.
The scene is horrendously bloody. The effort needed to kill him was vastly underestimated. TA 185 lbs body is lying bloodied in the bedroom. JA needs to pick up the corpse by the shoulders and drag him some 5 yards back into the bathroom. This scenario has complicated her clean kill and escape fantasy.

JA manages to get the corpse back into the bathroom. WHY, oh, WHY would you take out a gun to finish him off – since he was already very much dead? JA ‘s interests were to kill him and quickly get on the road towards SLC.

Makes NO SENSE.

JA hands and fingers were saturated with slippery blood. Why take out a gun, it, and shoot with slippery hands??? By this time JA was certainly in a state of panic. She had a bloody mess to attend to PLUS she had to insure that there was NOTHING implicating her or “putting JA at the crime scene”. Why do something gratuitous devoid of any value?

 

[Sydni]

Every time I wonder about how she cleaned up after this slaughter, I keep going back to her testimony where she enlightened us about the "sex" they had in the office and he "told" her to go clean up after he &@#* on her back (her lower back). I thought there might be something sinister behind that ... although now that we know she is the murderer, what would be the reason for a cover-up. I wish I was smarter. I just don't know why she had to disclose that in her testimony .... "he told her to go clean up in the downstairs bathroom" .... but then again - it is hard to get into a "sick" person's mind and understand "their" logic.

Oh and BTW ... this makes me feel a little weird, but where do I find those creepy NUDE photos of Arias ... they sound pretty graphic and weird ... just want to have a "peek" .... so to speak ... Eeeeew!!

 

[bobloblaw]

You also notice the bruising around the stab wounds?
His heart was pumping.

I am not directing this at anyone in particular but I unfortunately
have seen a gunshot wound immediately as it happened (my husband)

The blood was pooling under the skin after about 20 seconds.
FASTER than I could sit him down elevate the arm and grab a towel..

HEAD wounds bleed even worse.
IMO the gun was for the roomie if he showed up.He was "breaking" her heart... ick she has no heart.
I think she always planned to stab him i the heart first

Now that is a great point! Why didn't you bring this up sooner? :floorlaugh:

 

[carnnell]

But she didnt start by stabbing his heart..right? Because he was able to stand at the sink and move down the hallway? So initially she was stabbing him in less deadly areas. I think he was incapacitated already, when those wounds were being inflicted.

But I could be wrong. Nothing she does makes any sense, so I don't know why I even bother trying to figure her out.

For just a moment, then he fell. He may have crawled a bit then just went limp. She dragged him back to the main bathroom while stabbing him the back while crawling (I am assuming trying to get to his bedroom). Then she slit his throat (God love him His poor soul). Then she gets out from under him (the accidental picture) goes over far enough (3 ft at least) and shoots him. Gotta be thorough OCD you know sheeeeeeesh How terrible. Now the clean up (herself mostly) starts and get him in the shower stall.

JMHO

 

[Linda7NJ]

But she didnt start by stabbing his heart..right? Because he was able to stand at the sink and move down the hallway? So initially she was stabbing him in less deadly areas. I think he was incapacitated already, when those wounds were being inflicted.

But I could be wrong. Nothing she does makes any sense, so I don't know why I even bother trying to figure her out.

According to the ME the heart stab was first.

Imo She surprised him and as he tried to get up she did the rest of the frontal wounds and probably the wound to the palms of his hands.... He made it to the sink... She continued to stab at his back...he ended up crawling down that hall with her stabbing his head...his hands trying to cover his head at some point....finally she grabs his hair, yanks his head back...and ..you know..

IMO


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[oceanblueeyes]

As for hand defensive wounds, how do you explain no DNA in any of his fingernails?

You mean Jodi's? He was trying to defend himself from the knife slashes......only his DNA would be found. They were horrible gashes on his hands when he tried to grab the blade of the knife trying to stop her. Poor man........may he rest in peace.

There is no evidence that Travis was able to scratch her. I wish he had been able to scratch her eyes out.

 

[Smelly Squirrel]

As for hand defensive wounds, how do you explain no DNA in any of his fingernails?

He never scratched her skin. The defensive wounds are from grabbing or deflecting the knife.

 

[seguek9]

Yes. She is one of the very BEST. :star:

Wow!! So cool!

 

[katydid23]

wELCOME!!!!
One of the things I wish he had pointed out was that no matter where the call originated, it would have shown up on Jodi's cell as an incoming call.
All five happened to be from his cell.

I think he will come back to point that out. Strategically, it was better for him NOT to point it out at that moment. She was using that as her explanation and gloating about it. If he shot it down then, she would be forced to fabricate a new one on the spot. This way, she thinks she put one over on him. But he will button it up before he ends. JMO

 

[sleuth21]

I saw someone ask about whether JA was expected when she arrived at TA's home when she supposedly caught him engaging in his "masturbatory conduct." I think she said she came over to help with Christmas decorations and left only to have to unexpectedly return to get an angel that TA had given to her because, of course, she was so afraid that if she didn't go back and get it TA would berate her for her ingratitude. (Insert eye roll here). She's a piece of work.

 

[kscornfed]

She was vague on whether he expected her that day, but it's moot, since she says she caught him after she came back to get the angel. He wouldn't have been expecting her then.

There are too many implausibilities with this story in any case.

she's always forgetting things and having to go back and get them or give them back, and then when she does, she has the most AMAZING things happen to her!

 

[Linda7NJ]

As for hand defensive wounds, how do you explain no DNA in any of his fingernails?

She had the upper hand and the knife. You think he should have scratched her???

You saw the huge gashes in his hands?


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