jodi Arias TAKES THE STAND #51 *may contain graphic and adult content*

[panthera]

Typically between 6-6:30 pm panthera

Killing over by 5:35....

Thank you. I realize he was running late that evening also, however, didn't believe it was three hours late.

 

[LinasK]

Times marked were/are GMT (Greenwich Mean Time...basically universal/world time)
So...in JAs case 7 hours past Jodi's time zone....which I'm guessing was Pacific...or would it be Mountain...?;hmmm....

California is on Pacific Standard Time, Arizona is one hour ahead of us, unless we are on Daylight Savings Time (in the summer). Would she really be resetting her camera every time she drove across the border? I think not...

 

[mimmy03]

So if her defense team is smart they may have watched the news over the long weekend (i.e. Nancy Grace, JVM) they may have heard how JA isn't coming off as a battered/abused/weak woman and they may have told her to act more like a victim and not be so smug/argumentative/etc...

So I'm hoping JM will tone it down a little b/c if he continues too harshly and she puts on a victim act it won't look good. I think he needs to press the lying issues but definitely tone it down... maybe just keep getting under her skin gradually so that she will continue to show her nastiness.

 

[PASA]

Don't forget the pigtails! I doubt she took them down and probably that was premeditated too! And no blood going down the steps, etc.

I love your hinky meter and Juan marquis... Just had to tell you.

 

[SmoothOperator]

jmo but if even looking at this theoretically and saying I believe that she was in fear for her life and shot him in self defense..even in going with that scenario IMO the entire self defense issue still immediately flies out the window due to the fact that just how in the hell can even self defense justify the literal OVERKILL that she inflicted??

Fine, in fear for her life she grabs a gun and shoots to stop him from attacking... OK, fine if even it were true that the initial gunshot wound to the head allowed him to continue to attack her so she is forced to shoot him a second time or more..that IMO "could" be claimed AND IMO would fall under the catagory of self defense...

but just how in the hell does it in any way whatsoever even come close to equating self defense when she in fear for her life shoots him in the head and then proceeds to butcher him with a stab to the heart area, 29 ADDITIONAL STAB WOUNDS AFTER THE GUNSHOT TO THE HEAD AND STAB TO THE AREA OF THE HEART...AND THEN TO LITERALLY SLICE HIS NECK WITH SUCH FORCE AND POWER TO LITERALLY NEARLY DECAPITATE HIM!!

I would like to know just how in the hell that could even be claimed or justified as even anything even resembling self defence.. obviously it did not take a gunshot to head, stab to chest, knicking the vena cava, 29 additional stab wounds, and near decapitation in order to stop the attack and allow her to get away....

IMO self defense is inflicting bodily harm on an individual that is in that moment a direct AND literal threat to your life and you're being unable to escape...IMO the entire premise of self defense is to disable the aggressor from following through in taking your life..therefor allowing the victim to escape from the aggressor.. so, IMO the self defense scenario immediately flies out the window in that Jodi didn't just merely take the steps necessary to disable her attacker allowing her to get away..she instead went waaaaaaaaaaay past that point in her continuing to viciously slaughter him long, long after the point of simply disabling him to allow her to flee..

IMO fine if she shot him one or more times and as a result he died from those injuries that IMO would have been justified by it being self defense...but its a completely different ballgame with the OVERKILL of infliction of bodily harm from which he died as a result..long before that extreme amount of wounds were inflicted she could have at any of those times ceased the inflicting of bodily harm once he was disabled allowing for her to flee..

SO, IMO even when I look at the perspective of Jodi truly having been in a position of fearing for her life from Travis and this being just cause for her shooting him...it still does not even begin to equate self defence due to the fact that she went so far, above and beyond the necessary amount of bodily harm to disable her attacker thus allowing her to flee to safety..

IMO the fact that she did go so far beyond the point necessary for her to flee to safety IMO COMPLETELY DISQUALIFIES THE CRIME FROM BEING THAT OF SELF DEFENSE..am I not correct in this?..and that is NOT a rhetorical question but rather a question I honestly would like to know the answer to..

TIA to anyone who can shed any more light on this issue

 

[Linda7NJ]

California is on Pacific Standard Time, Arizona is one hour ahead of us, unless we are on Daylight Savings Time (in the summer). Would she really be resetting her camera every time she drove across the border? I think not...

Her camera?


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[panthera]

Do you think when he noticed her in the earlier pic she said something to him like: I am going to cut your freakin' heart out?

I don't know if she did the fatal knife wound first because it would have killed him and he couldn't defend himself. Seems like he was staggering around first. Anyone have a theory on which stabs came first and last?

Not to each specific stab wound, however, I believe it was the chest first, then back, then slitting his throat, then gunshot.

MOO

 

[JusticeJunkie]

I spent some time reading through reports this afternoon and one thing that I don't remember hearing about has to do with the roommate, Zach's, timeline. He stated to Florez in a follow up interview that he went home for about an hour on the 4th, which was his day off, between 3-4 iirc, and did not notice any strange vehicles parked around the neighborhood. Jodi said she parked in the driveway (like she always did when she went to visit Travis).

She lied. Again.

 

[PASA]

I've noticed several new members.
Welcome to Websleuths!

:welcome4::wagon::welcome4:

 

[looneymama]

I just want someone to remind her that this isn't about her. When she is locked up I want her to know the Jodi show is over. No one is watching, nobody cares.

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[thefragile7393]

Ok Jodi you can go to Cancun with me would have worked.
IMO

:floorlaugh::floorlaugh::floorlaugh::floorlaugh:
Oh if only!
"Jodi put down the gun/knife and lets talk this out."
"Jodi you're the only woman for me and I will marry you."
"Jodi, in all your three-hole wonderness you are awesome, lets talk."
Oh dear lord thank you....I needed that laugh tonight!
Yes TALKING to a socio/psychopath out of hurting you is something I have only seen on Law and Order in one of it's many incarnations. Or in a movie. I am quite sure she started in without any thought of having a reasonable discussion over a strawberry frappacino.

 

[atthelake]

Welcome, Nube7!!!

I am NOT a gun expert - but just had a thought to add - since the bullet casing was found in the bathroom, I wonder if she could have stood on the edge/lip of the bathtub to shoot him at that angle.

But then again, I'm always confused by gunshot trajectory, because the human body (especially the head) can move about/bend down and at angles, etc. I don't know why or how the trajectory can be determined after a body has been moved especially. Couldn't Travis have been leaning over (as if washing his feet, touching his toes or - retrieving a new camera that had been knocked or placed on the floor?) and create that sort of trajectory without her having to be above him or Travis having to be sitting or lying down?

Despite all those questions, I defer to and agree with the ME - he knows waaay more than me about the significance of the gunshot wound, and the sequence has been ruled as unimportant by the judge and now the AZ Supreme Court (as far as the DP qualification is concerned) so I'm not sure when or how Travis was shot matters to the jury - as much as how JA's story about it and how void of credibility that is...

I don't know - just thinking out loud ...

Actually, does JA have credibility about *anything* at all in this case? I can't think of anything offhand... Yikes - that isn't a good sign for her future. Not looking rosy for JA...

Trajectory is pretty simple! Take a pencil, put it to the right of your right eyebrow....point pencil to the direction below/at your left cheek.

Simple.......done! that is the trajectory. Now if you want to be like many of us.....sit in your shower or on the floor. Get a yardstick and line it up with that pencil that has the trajectory. There are many variations, but simplest is he was in a position exactly like the photo of his lower body in the shower....no head in the photo...angle is consistant if gun was about 3 feet away from 3 1/2" or so high.

We are no criminalists, but we do recreations on WS!!!!!! lol (Oh, and those 2 that did the nekkid drags with their hubbies in the bathroom.......... :floorlaugh::floorlaugh::floorlaugh

 

[PASA]

Not the only one. Google Chrome, firefox, and tapatalk all couldn't connect

Same here, I was about to panic.

 

[seguek9]

Well I would take my chances anyday being shot with a BB gun rather than being shot with a .25 caliber handgun. My .25 saved me from being raped and possibly murdered when I was in my 20s when three thugs tried to run me off the road yelling what all they were going to do to me once they got me stop. I fired my weapon into the bottom of their passenger side door and they couldnt peel out of there fast enough. They identified the truck by the bullet hole in the door when they tried to deny they had even been on the road that night.:floorlaugh: I have a .380 for self protection now.

Countless people have been murdered with a .22 pistol which is slightly smaller than a .25 semi automatic.

If the defense does not refute Dr. Horn then that means they cant and I dont believe they will. I liked him very much because he made his opinion extremely clear and understandable and I also agree with him 100%.

She didnt want to use the gun unless she had to since it could be heard. She stupidly felt he was still alive when he really was taking his last breaths and used the gun to make sure he was dead.

The sequence really is irrelevant anyway per the Judge. It will be in the jury instructions what consitutes heinous and cruel and I dont think there is one juror sitting there that doesnt believe Travis was overkilled in an extremely cruel manner.

Why we get into this discussion all the time when we have downtime I dont know when it really doesnt matter one bit either way.:floorlaugh:

Oh OBE...I'm sorry! I let my temper speak for me at some other comments posted here. I could have worded my post better....
I'm glad you weren't more severely hurt.... :sorry:

 

[JusticeJunkie]

I agree. And although i was a strong "he was shot first" side...Once I saw the M.E. testify, and read the report, he is very certain based on no real hemorrhage in the brain, that gunshot came later in the chain of events. He was either dead already, or had so significantly bled out, there was not more blood to come out.

So that is compelling to me that the shot was not first. That is a confusing point though...

I'm thinking Arias had already told her DT her version of events, and they looked at it as a plus to get the DP off the table.
Then they were stuck with it even after the judge ruled it didn't matter which came first.

 

[atthelake]

Could have stood on the toilet and shot him over the curtain/or top after she drug him back?

Oscams razor please~~~~~~~~~

 

[Callisto]

I have a question I consulted Google first so I don't waste space here but could not find an answer, did Deanna Reid (sp?) testify yet or is she set to at all? Thanks!

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[Venom]

I understand that, follow along for a second. We know that from the pics and time stamps that there was at least a couple of minutes from when she started taking pics to when he was actually sitting in shower alive. Highly doubtful she is holding a knife on him, so she has the gun trained on him...gunshot would come first...but there are at least two minutes to talk his way out...For God's sake, even if he had to lie and tell Jodi everything she wanted to hear, being compliant verbally, I can not see how he could not talk his way out.

There was no talking his way out of it, imo.
I think she knew that she was going to kill him. Just some of my thoughts:
-She brought the gun and knife, and a change of clothes with her. She probably carried them in a bag, like a backpack or similar. To Travis, it looked like she was carrying make up/girly stuff.
-She borrowed the gas cans so she didn't have to stop for gas and risk being seen or pinned to the location with a receipt. And/or she burned her clothes and other evidence.
-She wore her hair in the braids to help lessen the chance of leaving hairs at the scene.

All I can think of for now, I'm too tired and ready for bed.

 

[camcneishg]

I watched Juan again this weekend.....and every time he uses the word "JEALOUS" it makes her skin crawl.....I love it!! Can't wait for tomorrow....I hope he uses it at least a dozen times...

 

[panthera]

I just want someone to remind her that this isn't about her. When she is locked up I want her to know the Jodi show is over. No one is watching, nobody cares.

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For that reason alone, LWOP may be better than the DP. When the date of execution finally does arrive she would be "in the news" again. LWOP she will go to prison and be forgotten.

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