jodi arias TAKES THE STAND #64 *may contain graphic and adult content*

[Zuri]

Having those photos be available after Jodi thought she had deleted them does seem miraculous, doesn't it?

I will admit it is troublesome for me that Divine Intervention didn't show itself by permanently stopping the animal in its tracks before so much damage was done.

Unfortunately/fortunately we have been given "Free Will". Just think how much sorrow would be avoided if "evil" did not exist. If evil did not exist, my family would be intact and not destroyed. My mother would be my mother. She would not have slept with my brother's bloody clothes under her bed for years. We would still be "whole".

 

[indicat]

It breaks my heart that any Mormon would believe Travis is in hell because that is their "doctrine". Mormon attorney can you comment? This is in no way against anyone's belief......but I trust that God judges us by our heart and not by a specific church doctrine. Remember the thief on the cross? He had no time to have a do over in life but he was saved. Mods, I know we aren't to get into religios debates here, but Travis' family has so much to deal with and if they come here, they should not have to read that the Mormon belief has condemned him to hell!

If this was her intent she has twisted doctrine to suit her. She doesnt believe in any of it any way Id bet on it.

 

[Stolat]

Ok, so I'm trying to make sense of the knife scenario

If I am to go on the assumption that Travis did not know he was being photographed and that the last photo of him looking at the camera was the last photo of him alive - then how did she get him to open the shower door so she could stab him?

If he saw her there with a knife, all he had to do was keep the door closed and maintain the barrier.

Help anyone?

 

[wenwe4]

My opinions about her have declined with every day she is on the stand. I thought when I first signed up here it was a crime of passion, that TA was probably your typical man who only wanted a booty call, but that she was guilty of murder.

NOW, I can't believe how tolerant and kind TA was. I don't think he or anyone who she targeted had a prayer of escape. I don't think there was anything he could do to save himself.

I also now think she is Ted Bundy material and am certain she was going to hurt someone else. I would really like to hear from people who knew her in the past. I don't think that will happen until she is on death row - she seems to be able to reach beyond the prison walls thru her groupies.

BBM - I was thinking about JA's circles of friends since she was in high school . . . people knew her @ school as a very nice girl living in a strict family . .. she moved in with Vampire man . . . . then left him for Wicca/Native American man . . . . then onto Darryl Brewer and Ventana days . . . .. then into the PPL and Mormon groups.

The groups she attempted to "assimilate" into were such opposite ends of the spectrum. . . I don't believe that any one of the groups were associated with the other groups with the exception of JA. I am not sure she ever "assimilated" into any group -

To me, she feels like a pinball . . . bouncing off of one post to another post, scoring (insignificant) points all along but no place to belong on the board.

TA was the only stable man that at one time had a possibility of marrying. He rejected her - she just wasn't the 'Marrying kind of girl'. She left DB because he never wanted to marry again. She had decided DB was no future for her and left him for TA. She became irresponsible with money, spending all money on trips with or to see TA. . . . he became JA's new "drug". . . . . she just can't get enough.

MOO

 

[krkrjx]

"Smile and say cheese."

Did she say that to Travis that day? I bet she did, more than once.

Oh God this jury has to get it right. Not only for Travis but for all her potential future victims.

 

[CUCKOOHEAD]

My opinions about her have declined with every day she is on the stand. I thought when I first signed up here it was a crime of passion, that TA was probably your typical man who only wanted a booty call, but that she was guilty of murder.

NOW, I can't believe how tolerant and kind TA was. I don't think he or anyone who she targeted had a prayer of escape. I don't think there was anything he could do to save himself.

I also now think she is Ted Bundy material and am certain she was going to hurt someone else. I would really like to hear from people who knew her in the past. I don't think that will happen until she is on death row - she seems to be able to reach beyond the prison walls thru her groupies.

I posted many stream ago the same thought about the similarities between JA and Ted Bundy. Both have a deep hatred for mankind, both feel superior, glib, good looking, manipulative and remorseless. Society caught Jodi before she added any more death notches to her belt. IMO she would have continued to kill.

 

[TexMex]

Jodi arias likes lots of backups. She had to get a third gas can in case, she buys 2 lotions, 2 hamburgers, she stops for multiple deposits. I find her bringing multiple weapons in keeping with her over prepared behavior. Also I think she wanted to enjoy this murder in multiple ways. It wasn't rational, it was emotional.

I thought it was great that Juan proved she had 12 gallons of gas in the 3 cans. Exactly as much as she put into the car tank each time she filled up on the debit card. 10 gallons wasn't enough for her, she wanted to have enough for a full tank.

 

[camcneishg]

Ok, so I'm trying to make sense of the knife scenario

If I am to go on the assumption that Travis did not know he was being photographed and that the last photo of him looking at the camera was the last photo of him alive - then how did she get him to open the shower door so she could stab him?

If he saw her there with a knife, all he had to do was keep the door closed and maintain the barrier.

Help anyone?

Maybe he saw her there with the camera, opened the door to knock it out of her hand.....I don't think he knew that she was even there....

 

[Donnareit]

It breaks my heart that any Mormon would believe Travis is in hell because that is their "doctrine". Mormon attorney can you comment? This is in no way against anyone's belief......but I trust that God judges us by our heart and not by a specific church doctrine. Remember the thief on the cross? He had no time to have a do over in life but he was saved. Mods, I know we aren't to get into religios debates here, but Travis' family has so much to deal with and if they come here, they should not have to read that the Mormon belief has condemned him to hell!

Even if Jodi's goal was to kill him before he could repent, I think the spilling of his blood allowed him atonement. Travis will make it to his heaven after all.

 

[anagrammy]

I was hoping JM would delve more into her putting her luggage into the car sometime around 2PM but then I realized he might not have any solid evidence that could dispute whatever she said about it. What I believe he was trying to do was suggest to the jury that if luggage was packed up and her car ready to go by 2PM or shortly thereafter, maybe Travis thought she was long gone before he got into the shower.

IMO, Jodi left and came back...or pretended to leave and lurked around waiting for him to get in the shower where he would be easier prey. She may have thought he would get in the shower earlier than he did; as things went down she did not have a lot of time to act before she had to get out of there because one of the roommates might show up. If Travis had gone into the shower earlier, he would have died earlier and the scene would have been cleaned up much better but she didn't have the time to hang around and take care of that as well as she would have liked, IMO.

If Jodi wanted him in the shower for pics and talked him into that, I think she would have done it earlier--why wait until half an hour before a roommate could come home when she had Travis in the home all day? Even if she didn't care if she had time for a better clean-up, it's risky.

Would Jodi have killed a roommate if he had come home before she got out of the house? Maybe that's why she had a gun. She brought a knife for Travis--stabbing is a lot more personal than a gunshot, and I believe she wanted him to see his killer and to feel immense pain before he died. But there would be nothing personal about shooting a roommate/witness. IDK...just some of my thoughts, as it is impossible to get inside the head of one who is wired like Jodi.

The dragging photo has bothered me since the first time I saw it. Who would intentionally photograph something like that, given the act of setting up a camera to do that would be time-consuming? And time was not on her side by then. And if that photo was unintentional, how did it happen? The camera was on the floor upside down at the time that photo was taken, and her foot is really close. Maybe she kicked the camera, it flipped and the shutter released? It's not probable, but it is possible.

I am and have always been in the knife first, gunshot last camp. Head wounds bleed profusely--even small ones. This head wound bled very little, according to the ME. But my main reason for believing in knife first is that I believe Jodi wanted Travis to suffer. I do not think she would risk a gunshot to the head as her first attack--too much chance it could kill or at least render him unconscious. And this vicious animal wanted her prey conscious; she wanted him to feel the pain!

IMO.

I just had an aha moment with one of the photographs.

http://s1321.beta.photobucket.com/u...a/Camera Photos/travis18_zps79bb516b.jpg.html

As I have been looking at this one, I assumed the streaks on his leg was wet body hair. Suddenly I realized that he hated body hair, so it couldn't be--his legs are hairless in his nude photos on the bed shortly before.

OMG - it is blood streaks. You can see his upper body is washed clean and there are no visible stab wounds on the chest even though the right side of his chest has stab wounds in the autopsy photos. I think the shower spray has washed blood off his upper body but not the lower body. You can see blood and water under his body near the drain.

Which means he bled standing up (at the sink?) before this picture was deliberately taken by the murderer standing over him. She would need a cup to rinse the blood off the rest of his body because she was bleeding too and couldn't take the chance that some of her DNA would be on his body.

Yesterday I felt lightheaded after looking at the wounds in poor Travis' back. One expert said that he would have had to be immobile for her to have been able to have stabbed him so many times in such a small area. I just can't wrap my head around that.

Also, I am plagued by the question of why in the photo of JA's leg/foot/Travis' head & shoulder -- why does she appear to be dragging him AWAY from the shower???

All of the above only JMO and I welcome any/all other takes on this. I may be changing from the knife first to the gun first camp (not that it matters- still a heinous butchering of a terrific guy by a psycho ***** from hell).

 

[Rosebutter]

Listening to yesterday's trial videos, I'm soothed as I listen to Juan lay this out..how he repeatedly discounts her "story" .. Proves everything she says (or had said) is a lie. It surely sounds like any reasonable, intelligent jury will find her guilty and give DP or at least LWOP... But then I remember FCA and how strongly I thought there was no way they wouldn't find her guilty but now she walks the streets.... I pray justice is served for Travis.
I'm afraid my faith in the system was pretty shattered on that one so I just can't feel like this is a "slam-dunk" it appears one never knows how another will interpret information given. And it's my understanding that we (the public) have so much more info that the jury won't see or hear ( just like in that other case)

But I suspect that had Crazy Casey A. used a knife on Caylee and knife wounds showed up on her bones, that may have changed the outcome of that trial. As it was they kind of had to assume how Caylee had died, since there wasn't much left of her by the time they found her, mostly just bones and some hair. Had she been found a few days after her murder and her throat had been slit, the crazy mom most likely would have found herself on death row.

Since Travis was brutally murdered three different ways with so many wounds all over his body, including his back, the jury, I hope, will look at this much differently.:seeya:

 

[StephanieHartPI]

I think of it like this. There are a couple religions that would be considered the oldest Religions known to man kind. If God made us all, then surely he is not in any one Church practicing

I am confident all Travis had to do was believe and he is just fine. He was clearly a good person and it is man alone that talks about the bedroom and what people should do, not God.

I even go a step further and if someone does not believe and they die, they are still fine, they may have an "uh oh" moment. But God is not cruel and humans that make it that way are simply wrong.

Jodi? ok, there are other plans for her I'm afraid.
(and I have friends of many Religious backgrounds and Atheist friends) I guarantee you we are all going to be just fine.

It breaks my heart that any Mormon would believe Travis is in hell because that is their "doctrine". Mormon attorney can you comment? This is in no way against anyone's belief......but I trust that God judges us by our heart and not by a specific church doctrine. Remember the thief on the cross? He had no time to have a do over in life but he was saved. Mods, I know we aren't to get into religios debates here, but Travis' family has so much to deal with and if they come here, they should not have to read that the Mormon belief has condemned him to hell!

 

[Boodles]

Aaahh... I get it now. Makes sense. I'm still shocked at how JM ended it but I guess that's why he's the attorney and I'm not.

He just ended his cross-examination of her. How much more is there to get from a liar who claims to not remember? It's just beating a dead horse.

He will cross-examine additional defense witnesses, and then present a rebuttal case, and then present his closing argument, where he can tie all the pieces together into a comprehensive story.

 

[CUCKOOHEAD]

She proved to us yesterday that the gun did not come first. The gun would have been pointed from behind him towards the temple with the gun angled downward. Jodi claims he was coming at her when the gun went off. Plus where she claims she was, if she shot him it wouldn't it have been his left temple. jmo

Jodi's story of Travis rushing in to tackle her doesn't jive. If she shoots him as she says the bullet's path would show the bullet perhaps entering the right side of his forehead and continuing straight through the back of his head. Travis would have to be looking to the left at a 45% angle for the bullet to travel from right to left through his skull. That's insane. Besides where's the gunshot residue?

 

[nursebeeme]

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[StephanieHartPI]

She proved to us yesterday that the gun did not come first. The gun would have been pointed from behind him towards the temple with the gun angled downward. Jodi claims he was coming at her when the gun went off. Plus where she claims she was, if she shot him it wouldn't it have been his left temple. jmo

Yes i am now thinking he was on his stomach with his left cheek on the floor and she shot from above into the right eyebrow, explaining the steep angle down.

That would not happen with the Linebacker Flying Nun move she described

I think it was just a rage, anger, here you go buddy, shot to the head..

 

[kscornfed]

BBM

I think a re-enactment upon closing would be worth sticking around for. As it is, I don't think I can stand seeing that woman justify herself another day. She makes me exhausted - think of what she did to the other people in her life!

i'm going to read here, but i really don't feel like i'm up for re-direct. i just can't with nurmi anymore.
and the DV witnesses are only going to make me angry. i know they're going to have to twist their opinions into knots to make it FIT her, and it will just be BS from hired guns. i just can't.

i want to see rebuttal. that's going to bring this case home. can't wait for that! i'm hoping for some surprises that seal the deal.

(already sealed for me.)

 

[Boodles]

Ok, so I'm trying to make sense of the knife scenario

If I am to go on the assumption that Travis did not know he was being photographed and that the last photo of him looking at the camera was the last photo of him alive - then how did she get him to open the shower door so she could stab him?

If he saw her there with a knife, all he had to do was keep the door closed and maintain the barrier.

Help anyone?

My personal belief is TA did not see any weapon until just before the ceiling lights picture. But didn't she say the shower door was open for the face shots? I can't tell in any of the pix whether the door is open or not.

 

[rpgman]

Maybe he saw her there with the camera, opened the door to knock it out of her hand.....I don't think he knew that she was even there....

I think some of those poses are forced, especially the last one of him alive. Jmo

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[StephanieHartPI]

I just had an aha moment with one of the photographs.

http://s1321.beta.photobucket.com/u...a/Camera Photos/travis18_zps79bb516b.jpg.html

As I have been looking at this one, I assumed the streaks on his leg was wet body hair. Suddenly I realized that he hated body hair, so it couldn't be--his legs are hairless in his nude photos on the bed shortly before.

OMG - it is blood streaks. You can see his upper body is washed clean and there are no visible stab wounds on the chest even though the right side of his chest has stab wounds in the autopsy photos. I think the shower spray has washed blood off his upper body but not the lower body. You can see blood and water under his body near the drain.

Which means he bled standing up (at the sink?) before this picture was deliberately taken by the murderer standing over him. She would need a cup to rinse the blood off the rest of his body because she was bleeding too and couldn't take the chance that some of her DNA would be on his body.

Yesterday I felt lightheaded after looking at the wounds in poor Travis' back. One expert said that he would have had to be immobile for her to have been able to have stabbed him so many times in such a small area. I just can't wrap my head around that.

Also, I am plagued by the question of why in the photo of JA's leg/foot/Travis' head & shoulder -- why does she appear to be dragging him AWAY from the shower???

All of the above only JMO and I welcome any/all other takes on this. I may be changing from the knife first to the gun first camp (not that it matters- still a heinous butchering of a terrific guy by a psycho ***** from hell).

The autopsy photos show him washed off, and clearly he has hairy legs! Top thighs and calves! Normal hairy mens legs