jodi arias TAKES THE STAND #64 *may contain graphic and adult content*

[megmono]

Remember Jodi saying the ninja woman was telling Travis to shut up because he was screaming and said he couldn't feel his legs? I think Ms Maniac stopped assaulting poor Travis when it dawned on her that the only noise she was hearing was her own breathing. Huffing and puffing after stuffing Travis in the shower. She knew she had killed him and went to get the glass from under the sink to watch off any evidence on his body.

we all know how thirsty she gets... maybe she needed a water break first....

 

[Schuby]

OK, so you think she was actually taking photos and Travis was aware that she was taking them?

My point is that he DIDN'T know and trying to prove that he didn't know she was even there due to the shower door being closed, no flash being used, etc.

My last question for now.

Let's go with the fact that he didn't know she was there. He is just a guy taking a shower, letting the water run down his back (arms over head on back wall), etc. He notices her, and that's the photo we see him looking straight into camera.

Then she throws open the door, and due to his surprise and being wet in a small space, she actually kicked his legs out from under him...and that's how he ended up sitting on the floor of the shower?

Maybe that's not possible but in my head it makes perfect sense. LOL!!

Then she has him down and starts stabbing (the slices to his head)...but they are just scalp wounds and not enough to cause life ending injuries. He is able to get up and chase her and then it's on from there, maybe even actually unknown to her exactly how it all happened. It is perfectly clear it all happened very fast, it must have been a blur.

No matter how psychotic you are, killing someone cannot be easy especially with all that blood. It would be traumatic, no matter how much you planned and wanted it to happen.

OK, I think I am done playing with my puzzle for the day. Will just read now...LOL!!

Have you seen all the camera photos? There is a series of three or four in which he is clearly posing for the camera. It is inconceivable that those could have been taken without his knowledge.

 

[CUCKOOHEAD]

Perhaps they need to re-enact that in court. Have the wind knocked out of her and see how long it takes her to recover. I'd watch. opcorn:

:giggle:

Me too!! I'll bring salted nuts and beer.

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

By "carrying around" do you mean she has the strap on her arm (presumably down by her wrist) and the camera is dangling down by her feet?


That's something I hadnt thought of before but makes perfect sense. Perhaps it was spinning (as my stupid purse has a tendency to do when it slides down to my wrist when carrying in groceries) and perhaps as its spinning, when it hits her foot it keeps hitting the shutter button - keeping in mind that most digital cameras have a slight lag time delay before actual shutter deploys and the time the button is depressed/hit.

Right? I mean it is either that or the idgit is carrying it around and putting it down and picking it up. And that just does not make as much sense to me. It makes sense to me that that first couple pictures are out of focus because she is stabbing him then.

 

[moonbird]

OK, so you think she was actually taking photos and Travis was aware that she was taking them?

My point is that he DIDN'T know and trying to prove that he didn't know she was even there due to the shower door being closed, no flash being used, etc.

My last question for now.

Let's go with the fact that he didn't know she was there. He is just a guy taking a shower, letting the water run down his back (arms over head on back wall), etc. He notices her, and that's the photo we see him looking straight into camera.

Then she throws open the door, and due to his surprise and being wet in a small space, she actually kicked his legs out from under him...and that's how he ended up sitting on the floor of the shower?

Maybe that's not possible but in my head it makes perfect sense. LOL!!

Then she has him down and starts stabbing (the slices to his head)...but they are just scalp wounds and not enough to cause life ending injuries. He is able to get up and chase her and then it's on from there, maybe even actually unknown to her exactly how it all happened. It is perfectly clear it all happened very fast, it must have been a blur.

No matter how psychotic you are, killing someone cannot be easy especially with all that blood. It would be traumatic, no matter how much you planned and wanted it to happen.

OK, I think I am done playing with my puzzle for the day. Will just read now...LOL!!

bbm: that's not a fact, that's a hypothetical

in fact, there is a photo taken before the 2nd to last, of Travis looking under his arm at her.

my mistake, he's not looking under his arm, but he is looking at her

 

[Camdenres]

i just heard jean c say that there is no re-cross in arizona. Maybe that has been posted here, i'm new.
I have two questions at the moment. What's up with beth karas leaving? And no more in session?? ok, three, what is bbm. I looked it up and it said "body by mattel" but i don't think that is what you all are saying.

bolded by me

 

[corundogs]

keep in mind that what you may be seeing as "reflection from the flash" may actually be reflection on the glossy photo papers that were displayed on the overhead in the courtroom.. just like in some of the images, you can see the tip of Juan's pen as he was going over the photograph in the courtroom..

YES! So sorry...I meant to add that to one of my replies. I see what you mean, and you are right. That doesn't prove the door was closed and she was using a flash. In fact, it proves to me she WASN'T using a flash, hence why they are so dark.

It just doesn't make sense to not use a flash in that type of setting, and she would have to override the autosetting to have it off.

Not that it's difficult, especially for someone who knows cameras. But it shows more foresight. Turning off the flash so as to sneak up on him and take them.

Or it could be what she says. LOL!!

 

[popsicle]

Descriptions please!?!

They are re-enacting JA's description of the attack...body slam, running etc lol

 

[SusieD]

Physical exhaustion. She brutalized him, dragged him back to the shower, then got his body in there and got in with him, showering them both off.
Then may have heard a noise, or in a panic got out before anyone came home.

Then all her cover up, then arrested.

I think the gun jammed. With that amount of over-kill, only one shot????

That and physical exaustion.

 

[borndem]

1) she said she used the bench to stand on when she had previously cleaned the shelves

2) due to her ability for making her lie fit the forensics (the bench was not moved in crime scene photos) she claimed she JUMPED up to the shelf to get the gun (all the while he is running running running).. I mean she makes the bathroom sound like it is as big as the vatican!

3) I think the whole gun is a farce.. so he locked her into her lie on cross. He plans to address the gun big time on rebuttal.

bbm

I agree with all, nurse -- I remember her saying she saw the gun when previously cleaning for him; during the murder discussion at trial, she said she stepped up on a shelf & got the gun (which she had said previously on a TV interview, was not loaded, IIRC) & there was no ammo around -- just in the gun. :waitasec:

WRT the bbm, will Martinez call TA's friend with whom TA would go out & shoot the friend's guns? Can he?-- since the guy has already been interviewed on TV? The one who said TA would never have a .25 since they were "no good," or something to that effect, and he said that TA did not have a gun, but was considering some kind of a large hand gun -- a .45, or whatever.

Further, as meticulous and particular as TA was about his house and his things, would he have had a loaded little gun just sitting on one of his closet shelves?? Loaded, safety not on, and no ammo??? C'mon, JA, think about it... If it had been for protection, it would have been in his office desk, IMO, or beside his bed. And he wouldn't have had that small caliber gun for protection or for target shooting, IMO...Nyah, that doesn't fly at all...

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

I am. Hilarious! They've got an area taped off to be the size of the room, Mike Brooks is playing Travis, and the top half of a mannequin is playing Jodi.

Awesome right?? I want Juan to do that. With a wig on the mannequin.. It even has a shaved vaginal area...

 

[minor4th]

I have a hard time believing that Jodi left the house during this time because it would have taken out of her control any ability to orchestrate events or steer Travis' activities. If she left the house, Travis could have left to run an errand, or invited a guest over or talked on the phone about her being there. I do not believe Jodi would have taken this chance.

However, I do believe that Jodi was not directly in Travis' presence for some portions of the afternoon -- during those times, I believe that she was making her murder preparations

Here's what we know happened between 2:00 and 5:00 that afternoon:

We know Jodi changed into her murder clothes.

We can infer that Travis got dressed in his garments, long gym shorts and a T-shirt because those were the clothes that were put in the wash and presumably the clothes he took off to take a shower at 5:20.

We know Travis was on his computer at 4:00 sending an email. The last computer activity is from Travis' email at around 4:00, and his cell phone was down in the office, so I do believe Travis was on his computer that afternoon right before the shower pics.

We know that Travis shaved at some point before he took a shower - he looked to be very recently shaved in the shower pics, so it's likely he shaved after he was on the computer at 4:00.

We know that the bed linens were stripped and washed.

Here's what Jodi has said happened after 2:00, and some of these descriptions indicate that Jodi was not directly observing what Travis was doing at these times

Jodi said she showered and that Travis was out of the room. I think it's likely this happened because it's a good way for her to remain in his house for a legitimate reason -- thus stalling until the murder. We don't know what Travis was doing during this time or at what time she took a shower.

Jodi said that she took her suitcase, camera, backpack, and laptop to the car after 2:00. In her ninja story, she mentioned grabbing her backpack and purse on her way out - I believe this is what happened, and I believe that she needed her backpack in the house because she had her murder paraphernalia and post-murder clothes in there. Also, she was very evasive about this in her x-exam and could not describe any details or what Travis was doing at the time. On the other hand, it makes some sense that she would want her belongings to be out of the house so they would not get murder residue on them.

Jodi said she and Travis were in his office on the computer looking at photos and having sex - I believe this was said to have happened after their bedroom escapades. This may or may not have happened, but I believe there was at least some time that Travis was in his office, on his computer, at some time without Jodi being immediately present. I believe this because in her interview with Flores she does not know what Travis was doing while he was on his computer.

Jodi said Travis was cleaning his house, but she could not even describe where she was sitting at the time. He may have been cleaning his house, but she was doing something else - some kind of murder prep or possibly showering or placing the gun and knife in the cabinet under the sink. She may have pretended to be napping.

At some point that afternoon Travis shaved, but Jodi said she did not think Travis shaved that day - but I think she was lying about this. I believe this happened right before he took a shower because he looks freshly shaven in the shower pics and I think most guys would combine shaving and showering in one bathroom visit, rather than doing these things separately. Remember that Travis' roommate was home between approximately 3:00 and 4:00 that afternoon, and certainly Jodi would have been acutely aware of when the roommate came and left. When the roommate left at around 4:00, same time as the last activity on Travis' computer, I believe Jodi then convinced Travis to go upstairs to take pictures of him shaving -- this took quite a bit of coaxing, according to her. I believe Jodi took pictures of Travis shaving with her own camera, and this is why there are no pictures found on Travis' camera. Not sure about this one, but Juan's questions lead me to believe that they may have some evidence on Jodi's camera.

Jodi said they gave Napoleon a bath after 2:00 that afternoon - but I honestly think she cleaned Napoleon off after she murdered Travis, maybe because he had blood on him. I believe this because she mentioned giving Napoleon a bath to Flores as a reason her blood and hair would be at the scene (?), and the roommates said the doggie gate was across the stairs, and that was unusual - presumably to keep Napoleon away from Travis' room -- this would have been done by Jodi without Travis' knowledge, so I believe she did this after she murdered Travis.

Jodi said she ate a banana. There is some indication that they were in the kitchen at some point because Travis took off his CTR ring and left it on the kitchen counter.

What does this mean?

IMO all of this means that Jodi did not leave the house because she would not give up that kind of control of Travis' environment right before she planned to kill him.

It also means that there were times that Travis and Jodi were not directly in each other's company for part of the afternoon. At those times, I believe Jodi was setting up for the murder -- I believe that she put the gun and knife in the cabinet under the sink, and that she was crouching there taking pictures immediately before the first "inadvertent" pictures were taken.

I believe that all of the activities that afternoon were steered and directed by Jodi - I think she suggested that they go down to the office to get on the computer and look at pictures so she could hear the roommate's car when he left. The office was right next to the garage and within earshot of the driveway. I think she suggested that they wash the linens, or maybe took that upon herself while Travis was doing something else in the house, because she intended to remove her DNA from his linens.

I think she coaxed him into taking pictures of him shaving right after she was sure that the roommate was gone, and she did this because she had previously taken pictures of him shaving and knew he would be agreeable because he had like the previous pictures she had taken of him shaving (he had used one of those pics for his MySpace profile).

I think Travis may have wanted to take a shower earlier in the day, but Jodi precluded this by saying SHE needed to take a shower. Travis, being a considerate guy, allowed her to take a shower first.

 

[Camdenres]

Me too!! I'll bring salted nuts and beer.

I'll play Travis!:furious:

 

[anagrammy]

Wouldnt it be hard for her to drag a body of 180 lbs of dead weight all by herself?

Yes, especially if it is on wet tile and she has towels/bathmats to use to help things alone.

Check out the pic next in line after the leg/sock foot/dragging pic - the one with a bloody object that on Thursday JM asked JA if that was "the body." She answered yes without even looking, showing her deep familiarity with all these photographs after creating a story to match the forensic evidence and years to do it.

If that object is Travis' body, then it has some kind of a fabric on top of it - you can see the edge lifted. Someone speculated it might be a blood-soaked towel.

I am single and haul heavy stuff around using blankets, rugs and towels all the time. It works beautifully on hardwood floors and to some degree even on carpet if you use sheets. Hope this helps.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Question. I have heard that the state/detectives think the gun shot was the final wound and that it occurred at/by the sink. But wouldn't TA have to be standing for the splatter to be on the vanity? And they say she slit his throat before shooting him but how could he be standing when he was nearly decapitated?

I wonder if she did shoot him first (not in self defense) and then she realized it didn't kill him like she thought it would. He tries to escape down the hall and she is stabbing him in the back as he his trying to get away (crawling perhaps). He makes it to the bedroom and he turns over, she stabs him in the chest/heart and then slits his throat and drags him back into the bathroom.

ETA: Although I now remember the casing is in a pool of blood and not covered with blood. So maybe it is possible it did get kicked there as she drug him back into the bathroom. I dunno.... I don't think we will ever really know.

The ME believes the blood at the sink came from him coughing up blood when she first stabbed him in the heart. The back stabs may have happened when he was trying to hold on to the sink.

If the casing got kicked around it would have blood on it instead of being clean as a whistle except on the side that landed in the blood pool.

 

[BetteDavisEyes]

Especially the part about crossing sites off the list, knowing it was the places to see before you die list.., choked me all up and made me cry!

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The part that really bothered me was how she was "inviting" herself to stay in Travis' home, sleep in his bed, etc. while he was in Cancun. Would this have been alright with Travis and/or his roommates? Jodi seems to have a habit of imposing herself on other people, and I can't help wondering if no one dared to say "no" to her.

Jodi mentioned in testimony that she "was planning to crash at MM's" during her trip. Had Matt invited Jodi to stay with him, or did she assume that he would allow this because she'd done it previously? I can't imagine showing up on someone's doorstep while on a roadtrip and expect to spend the night unless I had made prior arrangements and that it was alright with the individual and anyone else who might live there. I think Jodi did this regularly because she has no respect for the privacy of others and sees nothing wrong with imposing on them or invading their personal space. :moo:

 

[askeptikalhippo]

I just heard Jean C say that there is no re-cross in Arizona. Maybe that has been posted here, I'm new.
I have two questions at the moment. What's up with Beth Karas leaving? And no more In Session?? Ok, three, what is BBM. I looked it up and it said "Body By Mattel" but I don't think that is what you all are saying.

BBM = Bolded by me

 

[SusieD]

By "carrying around" do you mean she has the strap on her arm (presumably down by her wrist) and the camera is dangling down by her feet?


That's something I hadnt thought of before but makes perfect sense. Perhaps it was spinning (as my stupid purse has a tendency to do when it slides down to my wrist when carrying in groceries) and perhaps as its spinning, when it hits her foot it keeps hitting the shutter button - keeping in mind that most digital cameras have a slight lag time delay before actual shutter deploys and the time the button is depressed/hit.

The camera was brand new and the strap was found in the box.

After hearing about the remote I have to wonder if that was in her pocket and that's why the camera was snapping.

 

[Elley Mae]

Photos

http://s1309.beta.photobucket.com/user/wasthinking/media/collage_zps00e64932.jpg.html

http://s922.beta.photobucket.com/us.../shower_travis_murder_pics_xtralarge.jpg.html

 

[megmono]

Vinny wishing he could take a chance at the body slam