jodi arias TAKES THE STAND #64 *may contain graphic and adult content*

[megmono]

OT question... i read on fb that juan has never lost a trial... is that true

 

[atthelake]

Did you catch her testimony (on direct I believe), "I don't know why I didn't go out the bedroom door. The closet door was just open, so I went in there" (paraphrased)
My thought was - that's it. She's done for now.
Nurmi, of course, went on to another topic. lol

Durn, I'm perhaps gonna have to queue up and watch again as IIRC she also said something about she didn't run another way as "it would have been suicide" or "that's where he grabbed me before" statements also. Which didn't make sense to me of course.

 

[Hopeful One]

Was JA's camera ever found? Or did she dump that in the desert too?

 

[Thracian]

PEAK MOMENT: When she mouthed "I am sorry" to Nurmi for refusing to follow his directions to STFU.

Whoa. I missed this. Can you point me to a day and/or Youtube video so I can see it?

 

[thefragile7393]

The man on your TV: Meet the Arias court reporter

• Court reporter Mike Babicky says he has reached speeds up to 300 words/minute during the Jodi Arias trial
• Babicky has worked in Judge Stephen's courtroom since 2009

He’s in almost every shot of the Jodi Arias murder trial. He’s on a first-name basis with prosecutor Juan Martinez. And he arguably has the best seat in the courtroom. But you probably haven’t paid much attention to him.

Read more here: http://www.hlntv.com/article/2013/03/01/jodi-arias-court-reporter

We have paid lots of attention to him! I'd love to meet him.

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[Mrs G Norris]

And I think this is what Juan was trying to get out of her when he asked when and how many times she showered.

I'm wondering if she didn't take a t-shirt and track pants right from Travis' own closet to wear as she walked out of the house.

 

[outofstatelawyer]

:great:Very cool! Thank you.
Dang...225 wpm--thats crazy!!!!!!
:great:

Those aren't keyboard wpm, they are court reporter machine wpm's. It is a complicated form of phonetic "typing" with special keys. I've never truly understood how they do it, but it is truly an art. The first deposition I ever took, the court reporter took it with a steno pad and pen! Ditto for my first jury trial. And I am not even THAT old!!!

 

[Laceybug]

Remember a couple of days ago that the defense insisted that a man in the court, I think his name is Chris Hughes? be made to wait outside the court? Like he was going to be called as a witness? And since the defense was so insistent on this I assumed he would be a witness for the state? But the state has rested? Or just done with Jodi Arias?

That was TA's close friend Dave Hall. He was made to leave and ordered not to watch the trial because the defense wants to question him about the video he shared with JVM showing Travis shooting an assault rifle. He will be a great witness for the prosecution.

 

[JusticeJunkie]

Remember a couple of days ago that the defense insisted that a man in the court, I think his name is Chris Hughes? be made to wait outside the court? Like he was going to be called as a witness? And since the defense was so insistent on this I assumed he would be a witness for the state? But the state has rested? Or just done with Jodi Arias?

The DT brought up that they would like a copy of the tape that Hughes brought to JMV (re- shooting guns with Travis).
Once the DT mentioned they wanted a copy, Juan says he may want Hughs for rebuttal, so being a potential witness, he had to leave the courtroom, and not discuss or watch the case.

 

[ingra1327]

That's the last place I don't know if it got kicked around, I don't know
fingerprint evidence, you were there, right?
A:
M: same thing with the DNA Evidence, you were there, right?
A: Yes
Ma'am after this shot rang, you said you went into a fog, right?
A: Yes, things went foggy after that point
M: So with regard to the camera, can you tell us what happened to the camera?
A: I don't remember what I did with the camera
M: You acknowledge that immediately prior to the killing, the camera was here right next to the tub, correct?
A: um that's the last place I saw it rolling, I don't know if it got kicked around or what
M: But you acknowledge though that, I'm looking at exhibit 162. First let's look at the date and time. You acknowledge that this says or was taken on June 4, 2008 at 5:32:16, correct?
A: Yes
M: What time was your understanding that the roommates got home?
A: I didn't know
M: so, did you even know if they were there?
A: Um, I don't remember if they were there or not at that time.
M: Well do you remember one of the things you told us on direct examination was that when there were roommates the two of you had to be careful in your sexual trysts so that as not to , not awaken, but let the others know what was going on.
A: that's correct
M: So if this was going on on that day it would be fair to say that you believe that they were not home, right?
A: This part of the day
M: This part of the day
A: No, I don't think that would have made a difference
M: What I'm saying is when this happened, you believed their were no roommates there, correct?
A: I don't know what time they got home, I don't know
M: And you are wearing socks, right?
A: Yes
M: And there is, appears to be, a zipper on that foot, correct?
A: Yes
M: If we look at this further to orient ourselves, this is Mr. Alexander's head, correct?
A: Yes
M: Blood right there, right?
A: Yes
M: And that's his foot, right?
A: Yes
M: And given the way that the lights are, in this particular photograph, the bathroom is in this direction, correct?
A: Yes
M: And you would agree with me that if the camera, exhibit 249 was last seen here, you see that,
A: Yes
M: And things happened the way you say they happened. We now have this photograph that you were the one that moved that camera, right?
A: It could have been us both, I don't remember moving it.
M: Well, based on what you tell us there is this gunshot that rings out, right?
A: Yes
M: And then you don't remember anything right?
A: I didn't say that, I said it got foggy after that point. The point where I can't remember anything is after he said, well after he threatened my life
M: What's that
A: After he threatened my life
M: What was it that he said?
A: f*cking kill you b*tch.
M: So after that, after f*cking kill you b*tch, you don't remember anything else, right?
A: No, except the one thing that I described
M: Right, but you do remember that as you ran down this hallway, you were not carrying the camera with you, right?
A: Um, no not the first time I ran down the hallway
M: Of course not, you were concerned for your life you told us, right?
A: Yes
M: And you told us that the camera landed next to the tub, right?
A: yes
M: And so if this photograph was snapped at the time that we agreed that it's snapped, and the camera, the last time you see it is next to the tub and then you describe what happens, that Mr. Alexander is down, next to the tub, then it was you that moved that camera, right?
N: Objection calls for speculation, she says she doesn't remember
J: Sustained
M: With regard to Mr. Alexander, ma'am, the last memory that you have of him is that he was down on the ground, correct?
A: Um, yes
M: And the last memory that you have of him is after you shot him, right?
A: Yes
M: You never saw him walking around, did you?
A: No, I didn't
M: And so if he didn’t, assuming that he didn't get up and walk around, and assuming you did shoot him, and assuming the camera is where you told us it was, then this camera, to take this photograph would have to be moved, right?
A: Yeah, it had to be moved.
M: And you would acknowledge that you did the moving, right?
N: Objection, calls for speculation, she's said over and over again that she doesn't remember
J: Overruled, you may answer
A: Under that theory that would be right
M: Well, you see him right there, ma'am, Mr. Alexander
A: Yes
M: No, take a look at it
A: I've already seen it
M: Alright, are you saying that in the condition that Mr. Alexander is in exhibit number 162, you were there, it's your opinion that he, in that condition could move the camera?
A: I'm not saying that
M: So you did move the camera, right?
N: Again, objection, argumentative, she's already said she doesn't know what happened after wards.
J: Overruled
A: I don't know
M: And that camera as we know ended up in a washing machine, you know that, right?
A: Yes
M: you have this horrible incident that happens upstairs and the camera's being used for, to photograph Mr. Alexander, right?
A: In the shower, yes
M: And then the camera's dropped, and then we see the photographs here. You would acknowledge ma'am, that under those set of facts it was you who put that camera in the washing machine.
A: Yes, I don't remember but that would be logical
M: Because, sure because Mr. Alexander never left the upstairs bathroom, right?
A: I think that's right.
M: And you would acknowledge, ma'am, that if you did that, it would be an indication from you, you say you're in a fog and you don't remember but it would be certainly an indication of your mental state back then, that you picked up that camera and put it in the washing machine, wouldn't it?
A: Yes
M: And that would be an indication, ma'am, that you knew what happened?
A: um, yes, I guess, I don't know why it went in the washing machine
M : And ma'am, we know that these were, this photograph, was deleted from his camera, correct?
A: Correct
M: We know that he's dead after this, right?
A: Um after this yes
M: And we know as you've just told us there was nobody else there, no roommates, right?
A: yes
M: So, if he's dead, no roommates are there, this photograph is snapped and it's deleted, you're the one who deleted it, aren't you?
A: That would make sense , I don't remember deleting it
M: I'm not asking if you remember now, I'm not asking that at all. I'm asking you, given the circumstances that we have here, your the one that deleted it, right?
A: I would have to say yes
M: And in fact, deleting something is not a once, given your expertise in cameras and photography, deleting something is not a one step process, right?
A: that's correct
M: And you were not familiar with this camera, were you?
A: Not prior to June 4th, yes
M: So what this required you to do, and I understand that you're going to say you don't remember, I'm not asking that, but I, wouldn't you acknowledge then that it took some mechanical movement and thinking, and by mechanical movement I mean fingers, and some thought process on your part in order to delete these images, right?
N: Calls for speculation
J: Overruled
A: I would agree with that
M: And you would agree that the deleting these items from the camera was not in any way necessary for you to do prior to leaving Mr. Alexander's home.
A: I don't understand what you means.
M: Well, there is nothing, you acknowledge, there is nothing that was pressing about , or threatening about the camera that required you to delete these images, right?
A: Um, I don't know what you mean
M: Well, in order for you to delete them ma'am you have to view them
A: Yes
M: And if you view them, then the decision is made. And I know you're going to say you don't remember, but you acknowledge then that a decision is made by you to delete this photograph, right/
A: There must have been, yes
M: And you would agree, then, that if the police don't find this photograph that would be beneficial to you, wouldn't it, in terms of your culpability involving Mr. Alexander's death?
A: I would not agree with that
M: K, exhibit number 163, so you think this helps your case?
A: I don't agree with that, either
M: 163 there are the, that's the floor board would you agree?
A: Yes
M: And this is the hallway that you claim that you ran down, correct?
A: Yes, uh-huh
M: And that would mean that this up here would be Mr. Alexander, correct?
A: Yes
M: And that reddish substance would be blood, right?
A: yes
M: And again if we apply the same analysis that we did before, you would acknowledge that the person who deleted this photograph was you?
A: Um, yeah, I guess.
M: There were other things that were done to the scene. Take a look at exhibit. Let's take a look at exhibit number 67 followed by exhibit 68. Do you see 67?
A: yes
M: There is blood there, isn't there, ma'am?
A: Yes
M: That's not your blood, right?
A: I don't think my blood is there.
M: That would be Mr. Alexander's blood, right?
A: Yes
M: And you would agree that to the right of that it appears there is more, if you will, a different pattern . In other words, the pattern on the right is not as dark as the one on the left, right
A: Yes
M: :And you would agree that if you, if you had socks on, which we know that you did, and you were walking through the blood that this would be the kind of pattern that your socks would leave, right?
A: I don't know
N: Objection ...wearing socks at that time
J: overruled
A: I'm not sure.
M: Take a look at exhibit 130, you see that?
A: Yes
M: Would you agree then that we've seen the photograph and it's exhibit number 162 and if we look at, this is exhibit 162, do you see it?
A: Yes
M: and you told us that to this end over here is the bathroom, over here do you see that?
A: Yes
M: And if we look at this exhibit which is 130, you would agree that the bathroom is in this direction, correct?
A: Yes
M: So that if his foot that we were looking at would be right about where my pen is, or right in front of that door, right?
A: yes
M: And the door that's behind it is the door that you claim he was banging his head on back on August 7 of 2007, I'm sorry, August of 2007, right?.
A: yes
M: And you would agree, ma'am, that if this is the pattern that we have here and his head is in this direction as we see it in the picture, then because of the way the blood is flowing down, this is where his head was resting, right here?
A: I think, I don't know, I guess
M: He would not be the person that would be leaving these marks here to the right, because he wasn't standing, was he.
N: Objection, she's already said she has no memory it would call for speculation
J: Sustained
M: 162, is he standing there ma'am?
A: no
M: Would you acknowledge that after every thing you know he is not going to stand after that?
N: Objection, calls for speculation
J: Overruled
A: I would be very inclined to agree with that
M: you told us, ma'am that there was just this shooting when he was coming at you from the bathroom, right?
A: Yes
M: I'm sorry, from the closet, my mistake
A: yes
M: And that he came at you, then you showed us the pose and then according to you, the shooting happened, right?
A: Yes
M: You would agree, ma'am that the shooting, where it occurred, is not near to what is pictured in exhibit 98, correct?
A: Yes
M: you weren't bleeding, even though you said you had an injury to your left ring-finger,
you weren't bleeding that profusely to put all this blood here, right
A: Um, well my left ring-finger wasn't bleeding at all, so
M: The answer's no
A: That's correct
M: That is not your blood, right?
A: No, I don't think it is
M: And again, based on what we, what you know about this case and based on the fact that you acknowledge that you've done the shooting and acknowledging that that was his foot in this photograph, you would have to agree that the person would have to be standing, or Mr. Alexander would have to be standing for that blood to be placed there, right?
N: Objection, cause for speculation
J: Overruled
A: I would think, yes I would think that
M: Ma'am one of the things that happened or that was found on the body was a glass. Are you aware of that?
A: Yes
M: Before the murder, there was no glass in the bathroom, right?
A: There was, it's under the sink
M: It's under the sink then, right?
A: Yes
M: So you would agree that if it's under the sink before the murder and it was found on top of him after the murder, you would agree that you were the person, you would acknowledge that you were the person that went underneath the sink, got the glass, correct?
A: I would acknowledge that
M: And you would acknowledge that you used that glass to clean up or throw it on the floor of that bathroom.
A: I don't know what I did with it
M: If there were lots of water in the bathroom after the killing, for example if we take a look at exhibit number 118, you see that, the water marks here?
A: Yes
M: You would acknowledge that these water marks in red-colored blood, or what appears to be blood, you would acknowledge that you're the person that created those marks, correct/
A: Yes
M: And you would also acknowledge ma'am, that these reddish spots here are Mr. Alexander's blood, correct?
A: Yes
M: Which would indicate that he was in that area bleeding, correct?
A: yes
M: and exhibit 125 shows us the relationship between the closet to the right, correct?
A: Yes
M: The closet to the left, correct/
A: Yes
M: And the end of the hallway into the bedroom, right?
A: Yes
M: And ma'am you would agree that we've now seen that there was staining, 128, here, do you see that and it's concentrated there, do you see that?
A: Yes
M: And we've heard that it's nowhere else in the top floor of that bedroom and we also know that you were the only one walking around in 162 wearing socks, you see that?
A: Yes
M: You would acknowledge, ma'am that prior to walking out from here and leaving you would acknowledge that you took those socks off, correct?
A: I don't know
M: Well, you would acknowledge that there was not blood other than this area here, you see that/
A: Yes
M: So you would acknowledge that if you did have blood on your socks, and there was water on the floor and you were walking in It, you would acknowledge that there may be, based on whatever experience you have there may be other blood throughout wherever it was you stepped?
N: Objection, argumentative and calls for speculation
J: Overruled, you may answer
A: Um, can you please repeat that?
M: You would acknowledge that you took your socks off before you went in the bedroom,
A: I don't know
M: Because you knew, I'm not saying you remember it, because you knew that they had blood on them and you didn't want to get the rest of the bedroom dirty
N: Objection calls for speculation, she says she doesn't even remember removing her socks.
J: Sustained
M: ma'am, you did leave the house, though didn't you?
A: Yes
M: you would acknowledge that you left, right?
A: Yes

 

[atthelake]

Can somebody clarify something for me. Did JA testify under direct that she was in the bathroom, TA, started to chase her and she ran down the bathroom hall toward master bedroom and instead of turning left to leave the room and escape, she turned right and went into the master closet to get the gun?

I have understood it that she went from the bathroom directly to the closet and grabbed the gun. I guess I just didn't pay close attention and assumed that's how it happened b/c it seemed more logical than what she says. I am just now realizing how I understood it is different b/c JVM posted a diagram of how JA says it happened and it is different than what I thought (her going immediately into the closet from the bathroom/shower area).

Could it be that she screwed up her story on the stand? That she was supposed to keep on script and say that, but Juan led her down the proverbial hallway (where as I said before, I thought she stated she didn't go that way as that would be suicidal/where he got her before)

If anyone is reviewing tapes and finds today, please post!!! TIA

 

[JusticeJunkie]

Durn, I'm perhaps gonna have to queue up and watch again as IIRC she also said something about she didn't run another way as "it would have been suicide" or "that's where he grabbed me before" statements also. Which didn't make sense to me of course.

I'm talking direct, and I believe the statement you quote is from cross.
I think.

 

[seguek9]

Jodi testified that she put on socks and shoes and left, driving away wearing the bloody clothes. It's obvious why she had to toss the car mats, but what I do not understand is how there was not blood elsewhere in the car, maybe on the seat or back rest, or even down on the front of the seat area from her pants legs. Certainly she had a lot of blood on her clothes so how was the car returned as clean as it apparently was? The rental agent testified it had two small stains that looked like Kool-Aid. I find it really hard to believe that's all there was for staining considering the crime scene.

I don't believe that. I think she changed at the house put those clothes in a bag and then burned them in the desert. No way she walks out in those murder clothes and does not have blood on her.

I think she said she drove in them, to say, LOOK, IT was not that bad! I did not have that much blood on me so I could not have been that vicious. Whatever the reason, in her sick demented mine it helps her.

Changed clothes in the garage where her rental car was parked with the luggage in the trunk (supposedly)

I agree, she doesn't want to admit that she walked out of the house in clean clothes because it shows clarity of thought - if she was genuinely in a fog she would have walked out in bloody clothes, if she was not she would have had enough intelligence about her not to walk out of his house looking like she had just murdered someone .. especially since I believe she parked the car around the corner so it was not just a quick walk across the driveway.

Garbage bags come in handy for toting bloody items

I'm wondering if any of this has to do with why Juan kept asking where she parked the car....he brought it up more than a few times.....:waitasec: rebuttal and closing should answer a few questions-i hope.



no?

ETA: costume change before leaving house[/QUOTE]

 

[ingra1327]

M: And you would acknowledge that there was no record anywhere in Arizona, of you ever being in Arizona, other than this killing, right?
A: No, I disagree with that
M: Are there receipts for example from the places you filled up with gas?
A: No, at one time there would have been surveillance video, but no.
M: you think there was surveillance video, okay. Isn't it true ma'am that as you drove out of Arizona, one of the things that you did was that you used the gasoline in those three cans to fill up, to put in your car.
N: Objection
J: Overruled
A: Will you repeat that, sorry?
M: You will acknowledge, ma'am, that in Arizona, you filled up the car from the gas the three gas cans that were in your possession filled with gas.
A: I didn't have three gas cans in my possession
M: Ma'am do you remember in Pasadena, there were three separate transactions, do you remember that?
A: yes
M: There was one at the pump, do you remember that?
A: Yes
M: There was also one inside the store, if you will, do you remember that one?
A: Yes
M: Of approximately 10 gallons, do you remember that?
A: Yes
M: And then there was another transaction inside the store, you acknowledge that, right?
A: Yeah that was the 2 gallons or something
M: Right, 2.7 gallons, right?
A: yes
M: There were three transactions in Pasadena, correct?
A: Yes
M: you acknowledge that there are two gas cans that Mr. Brewer gave you, correct?
A: Yes
M: and you acknowledge that you bought one gas can from Walmart, right?
A: I understand that you say you returned it, but you did have, at least at some point, you acknowledge, have three gas cans, right?
A: Yes, in Salinas, I did.
M: Pardon?
A: In Salinas, I did
M: And so the gas that you had in those gas cans you placed in your car in Arizona, right?
A: No, I didn't need to do that.
M: Well, ma'am do you remember that you told us on direct examination that the next time you could remember anything was when you were way out in the middle of the desert?
A: That's correct
M: And do you remember the testimony of Det. Larry Gladdish, who indicated that the phone call to Mr. Alexander's telephone was 57 miles north of Kingman Do you remember that?
A: Um, no, but okay, I will assume he said that.
M: Ok, but you do remember that you testified that you were out in the middle of the desert, do you remember that?
A: Um, yes
M: And do you remember that you said that you stopped, right?
A: Yes
M: And do you remember that you said I got rid of the gun, right?
A: Yes
M: So you would acknowledge ma'am, that even though immediately after this killing happened, you say you went into a fog, do you remember saying that?
A: uh, it was in a fog, yes
M: You were in a fog, right?
A: Yes
M: And one of the things that we know from your own admission was that there was a gun that was involved, right?
A: Yes
M: that's what you used to shoot him, right?
A: Yes
M: And so this gun that you tell us, you took it out to the desert, didn't you?
A: Yes
M: You were the one that removed it from the house, right?
A: Yes
M: If you didn't know what was going on, if you were in a fog ma'am, which means that you don't know the status of your current events, or the status of what's going on, would you agree that there would be no need to take the gun, if you were unaware of your status?
A: I would not agree with that
M: Even though you're in a fog, there's a decision, a knowing decision a voluntary movement that is made, to take the gun on your part, right?
A: I think you're getting fog confused, my memory was in a fog, I don't remember what happened after those things.
M: I'm not asking if you remember that, please, that's not what I'm asking. I'm asking whether you acknowledge that you removed the gun from the crime scene.
A: Yes
M: And you do acknowledge that if you're in a fog, you're in a fog about everything, not just certain specific things, right?
A: I don't know.
M: Well, it's your fog!
A: Is that a question
M: Yes it is
A: What is the
M: It's your fog, isn't it?
A: Yes
M: With regard to this particular fog that you are in, why would you even think of taking the gun unless you really knew what was going on.
A: I could only speculated because I don't remember.
M: If you were in a fog and you didn't know what you were doing, why take the gun, ma’am?
N: Objection, asked and answered, argumentative
J: Overruled
A: I don't remember taking the gun, I remember throwing the gun.
M: If you remembered throwing the gun, you recognized where the gun came from, didn't you?
A: I recognized it as Travis's gun, yes.
M: I know you say that it's Travis's gun, but shortly before embarking on this trip to Mesa, Arizona on May 28, 2008, your grandfather had a 25 caliber gun taken during a burglary, right?
A: Yes
M: And you knew about that, right?
A: I found out about it when I got back into town.
M: The answer is yes, you did know, didn't you?
A: Yes, afterward
M: You did know on May 28, 2008 that there was a burglary at your grandfather's house, correct?

A: Yes
M: And you're telling us that June 4th, after the murder you stopped on the side of the road, right?
A: yes
M: And according to you you have one of the implements that was used to kill Mr. Alexander, correct/
A: Yes
M: If you didn't think that you had done anything wrong, and you were in this fog that you weren't thinking, why get rid of it, why get rid of it?
A: I never said I didn't think I did anything wrong.
M: Oh, so you acknowledge then, that you believe you did something wrong with regard to Mr. Alexander then, right?
A: I believed that something
M: Yes or no, yes or no.
A: very bad had happened, um how did you word that again?
M: You believe that you did something wrong with regard to Mr. Alexander
A: Yes
M: and that belief you had was with you on the side of the road to the point you got rid of the gun, right?
A: Well, I just threw it, so year,
M: You did get rid of the gun, right?
A: Yes
M: and this knowing that you had done something wrong was preceded by you removing the gun from the crime scene, right?
A: Yes
M: So you would agree that at the crime scene, you knew that what you had done was wrong, correct/
A: I would say that that would be accurate, but I don't remember
M: and you were trying to alter the crime-scene, weren't you?
A: It appears that way.
M: Well, no, based on what you know, there was an altering of the crime scene, wasn't there?
A: Yes
M: The gun was taken, right?
A: yes
M: And you know that you took it, right?
A: yes
M: we also know that there was no knife that was found up in the bathroom area, right?
A: Yes
M: so we know that you took it right?
A: I don't remember having the knife at all afterwards.
M: But there was no knife up there, right?
A: not, I haven't heard any testimony about that, so
M: You would acknowledge, ma'am, that exhibit 193, that Mr. Alexander was stabbed. You would acknowledge that, right?
A: yes (hand over face)
M: And you would acknowledge that that stabbing was with the knife, right?
A: Yes
M: And according to your version of events, you would acknowledge that that stabbing was after the shooting according to you, right?
A: Yes, I don't remember
M: I'm not asking if you remember, ma'am, I'm asking if you acknowledge that it would be you that did it, correct?
A: Yes
M: And you would acknowledge that a lot of the stab wounds and we can count them together, were to the back of the head, and the back of the torso, correct?
A: Ok, I don't want to count them, I don't know, I'll just take your word for it.
M: Would you like to look at the photograph?
A: No
M: So if he is being stabbed in the back, would you acknowledge that at that point, he's no threat to you, right?
N: Objection, calls for speculation
J: Overruled
A: I don't know
M: Well, if he's already been shot according to you, and he's facing away from you, how could he possibly be any threat to you?
A: I could only guess, I don't know what you’re asking me.
M: Well, with regard, to the, you were here when the medical examiner testified about the would to the throat. Do you remember that?
A: yes
M: With regard to that wound, ma'am, you would acknowledge that that was in term of the stab wounds, you would acknowledge that that was the last wound in the sequence of events?
N: Objection, she says she doesn't remember
J: overruled that was the
N: How can she acknowledge the sequence of the stabs when she doesn't remember it?
J: That wasn't the question, overruled, you may answer the question
A: Are you talking about his testimony?
M: Yes
A: I disagree with the sequence of events.
M: Would you agree that you're the person that actually slip Mr. Alexander's throat from ear to ear?
A: Yes
M: would you also agree that you're the individual that stabbed him in the upper torso?
A: Yes
M: And you're doing all this to this, according to your version of events, you're doing this to this individual after you've already shot him, right?
A: Yes
M: Correct?
A: I believe so
M: Well no, do you remember previously talking about how he was coming after you, and he was this horrible man with this mean face? Do you remember telling me that?
A: Yes, I didn't say he was horrible.
M: Okay, thank you for correcting me, but do you remember telling us that he was a mean man?
A: Not today
M: But previously you did say that he was a mean man, correct?
A: I think I did, yes
M: And on this particular occasion you told us that he was cursing at you, right?
A: Yes
M: that he threw you down, right?
A: Yes
M: That he chased you down, right?
A: yes,
M: And this is the individual that you shot first, right?
A: I didn't know if I shot him, just the gun went off.
M: the gun went off, you can at least acknowledge that, right?
A: Yes
M: That's something that you do remember, correct?
A: Yes
M: Ma'am one of the things that we also know is that there was this rope that was involved earlier in the evening or in the day at 1:00, do you remember telling us about that, around 1:30?
A: Yes
M: that it involved this sexual interlude with you and Mr. Alexander, right?
A: Yes
M: And you told us that it went behind the headboard,
A: Yes
M: Police did not find a rope there, correct?
A: Yes
M: You took that rope, didn't you?
A: yes
M: Why did you take that rope, ma'am, if you were in a fog?
A: I don't know. I don't remember taking it.
M: The rope, according to you it didn't have anything to do with the killing, did it?
A: No, not that I remember.
M: But you acknowledge that there was this rope that was taken, right?
A: Yes
M: Don't you also acknowledge that you were the one that threw it away?
A: Yes
M: And you also acknowledge that you were the one that took it, right?
A: um, yes
M: And even though you were in this fog that you call it, you knew, as you're walking in this fog, to go looking around for this particular rope, as you say, right?
A: I don't know
M: Well, you did say that you did take it, right?
A: Yes
M: And in fact you remember where you threw it away, right?
A: Um, I think it was in a dumpster.
M: Right you threw it away in a dumpster, right?
A: Yeah.
M: Other than that it would show that you had been there, ma'am, why take the rope and then get rid of it?
A: I don't know, maybe for that very reason, I don't know.
M: So you did take the rope, then?
A: nods
M: You also changed clothing, right?
A: I think I did
M: Well, you said you pulled off the side of the road in the desert, right?
A: Yes
M: And then you said that you went to the trunk of the car, right?
A: Yes
M: Isn't it true, ma'am that that's where you claim to have the gas cans?
A: That's where they were
M: Pardon
A: That's where they were.
M: And so the gas cans with the gas were in the back with the water, right?
A: yes, the case of water and my suitcase.
M: And you found that you had some blood on you, correct?
A: Yes
M: And back then there was this stop, or security check-point before Hoover Dam, right?
A: I pulled over before that
M: Right, you weren't in so much of a fog that you didn't know that the checkpoint existed, right?
A: I did not know that the check-point existed
M: Well you just told me that you knew the check-point was there, do you remember telling me that/
A: I came to know of it's existence when I drove up to it, or when there was a sign or something
M: But conveniently , or to your advantage, you stopped the car before you got to the checkpoint, right?
A: A long time before the check-point, when I called Ryan or texted somebody or Leslie or someone.
M: So the answer is yes, right?
A: Yes
M: And one of the things that you did was that you got the water from the trunk, right?
A: Yes
M: You cleaned your hands, right?
A: Yes
M: And you changed your socks or put some shoes on, correct?
A: um, I put socks and shoes on, I think
M: Right, and you took the bloody clothes that you had on and you took those off, right?
A: um, I think I did
M: Well, do you remember testifying that you threw them away along with the gun?
A: I don't recall throwing my clothes out in the desert.
M: But you did changes in anticipation of the check-point, right?
A: no, I didn't know there was a check-point til I reach it
M: Well, you will acknowledge that this changing or washing of hands occurred before you got to the check-point whether you knew, or not the check-point was there.
A: That's correct
M: And you would agree that it was to your advantage to be, to have clean hands and clothing that is not soiled with blood if you're going to go through a check-point, correct?
A: that wasn't my line of thinking but I would agree with what you said.
M: You are making some calls at that time, aren't you?
A: Prior to the checkpoint, yes
M: You have the, I guess the ability to say, I'm going to look through the car to see if I can find my charger, right?
A: Um, I wasn't looking for my charger, but I looked through the car
M: You were looking through the car then, when you pulled over?
A: Yes
M: And when you pulled over, you found a charger according to you underneath the seat, right?
A: Yes
M: And that allowed you to make some telephone calls, right?
A: Not right away because there was no reception.
M: But you made some telephone calls before you reached the Arizona-Nevada border, right?
A: Yes, I turned my phone on and it just took awhile to place a call because the call kept dropping.
M: Right, it was before the checkpoint, right?
A: Yes
M: And while you were driving, and we're you driving at that time when the telephone was in a position to make calls out?
A: I believe, yes
M: So when it first came on so that it had the ability for calls to be made, how far was it to the check-point?
A: It felt like an hour.
M: It felt like an hour? Do you know where Kingman is?
A: No
M: And when this telephone came on, you started to make telephone calls, right?
A: I attempted to, I was only able to send text messages.
M: I realize that you are only talking about text messages, I'm talking about telephone calls. You were able to call Ryan Burns, right?
A: Yes
M: And even though you were in this fog, that you're telling us about, you were able to call him and make up a lie, right?
A: The fog that I'm referring to relates to my memory,
M: Right, in relation to your memory, you could have told Mr. Burns that you were with Mr. Alexander, but you didn't, right?
A: That's right
M: Instead you made up a story, didn't you.
A: Yes
M: So this fog that you're talking about, it wasn't so heavy that it prevented you from thinking and making up a lie
A: Um, yes, that's right
M: You made up a lie that you had lost your charger, right?
A: Yes
M: You made up a lie that you had gone to a gas station to get the charger, right?
A: No, that's not what I told him.
M: And so Mr. Burns is full of crap when he tells us that?
A: No, he just has a poor memory on some things.
M: And you know that based on that one limited time you met him in West Jordan Utah, correct?
A: No, I know that from all his inconsistent statements to police
M: but you only met him one time, right?
A: Um
M: As a romantic interest
A: Yes
M: You also told him that you got lost
A: I did say that
M: That was also not true, correct?
A: um, well technically it was, but not for the reason I was telling it.

M: No, ma'am you actually knew where you were going, you were going to Mr. Alexander's house, you knew that, right?
A: No, I got lost after leaving his house, that's what I mean so technically I did get lost, but that's not why I told Ryan that.
M: Even though there's this technicality, are you telling us that when you told Mr. Burns you got lost you were clear wit h him that the reason you got lost was that you killed Mr. Alexander and you'd been driving and you got lost that way? Or did you tell him you got lost a different way?
A: I don't remember what way, I think I made up something stupid and I certainly didn't tell him I got lost about Travis, I told him I got lost to deceive him
M: Right, so even in this fog, you still have the ability to think, to protect yourself, right?
A: Yes
M: And the other thing that you did is you attempted to call Matthew McCartney, right?
A: Yes
M: And you attempted to call Mr. Brewer, right?
A: Um, I don't remember, I might have
M: One of the other things that you did, and you know we were talking about protecting yourself, is that you , immediately, almost immediately when you say you come out of this fog one of the first things that you do is you try to divert attention away from you so that the police won't think you had anything to do with this killing, right?
A: Yes
M: And this fog that you're telling us about is not so deep that it stops you from fabricating or attempting to fabricate evidence, right?
A: Um, that would be correct
M: And it's not so deep that, according to you, you can stay on the telephone and know the prompts so you can get the telephone message just right, according to you, right?
A: Well just so I wasn't crying in the message, yes
M: Right, but you want the message to be just so, so that it sounds natural, right?
A: yeah, as natural as possible, right
M: And you went to great lengths according to you, didn't you?
A: Yes
M: and the reason that you went to great lengths to do that was so that if there was any suspicion, it would be drawn to you, right?
A: Not immediately, that was the point, yes
M: You wanted the police to look elsewhere, right?
A: I guess
M: Well, no, you made the call knowing the reason why you made the call, right?
A: yes
M: If you really weren't wanting to fabricate evidence you would have just left whatever message instead of worrying about crying or whatever else you were worrying about, right?
A: That's right
M: And so you call Mr. Alexander and you left him a message, right?
A: Yes
M: Let's play it and see what you said.
A: big sigh

 

[ScarlettScarpetta]

I'm wondering if she didn't take a t-shirt and track pants right from Travis' own closet to wear as she walked out of the house.

I don't think so. I think she took everything she needed to kill him and make sure she got out without looking like a murderer.. AT least she thought so.

I don't believe anything was left to chance.

 

[SunnyinMO]

His legs ARE NOT crossed. Period.

Second, and separate issue; if there was a gun in Travis' house/involved it was planted there WHILE she was cleaning it. It may have already put it there in her premeditation, that crappy .25, and Travis had no idea.

Good Afternoon! I took the morning to do the things I didn't do all week....grocery shopping, cleaners, drug store etc. I am now trying to catch up. I am confused about which picture y'all are talking about his legs crossed or not crossed....would someone please post the picture. TIA!!

 

[Zuri]

I hope during rebuttal that JM will put up autopsy photos and then play the 48 hours segment that "No jury will convict me, mark my words. No jury will convict me."

I would like to see her eat her words.

she will say they taste too much like feathers and "burn"

 

[JusticeJunkie]

Was JA's camera ever found? Or did she dump that in the desert too?

It was found in the washer with other clothing - bleach had been added.
Photos deleted.

 

[CUCKOOHEAD]

Laceybug
'She started to answer a few of Juans questions and Nurmi piped up saying "She cant answer because she doesnt remember" I dread having to listen to him again. I betting Jodi wears her baby ponytail again for redirect.'

I was getting angry with Nurmi when he objected and gave Jodi the answer she needed. Like she would say I don't remember after Nurmi feeds that objection to her or when Nurmi objected with a calls for speculation I think that was the cue for Jodi to say she didn't know. argumentative called for Jodi to respond with something like that wasn't entirely true, or she didn't see it that way. It was like he was feeding her her response.

 

[atthelake]

My opinions as to what the jury is going to decide.

I think the jury is going to decide that they can not go by anything JA says, that she is not credible, even under oath.

So they are going to base their decision entirely on the facts. I think they are going to decide that it is not self-defense. But I don't think it's likely (at this point any way) that they feel the state has proven pre-meditation. Unless they think JA's grandparents gun being stolen days before the murder and being the same type of gun is more than just a coincidence. But we're talking death penalty over a coincidence and I don't think it will happen.

BBM But in the past two days, the defense HAS proved the pre-meditation, so I'm good with it! :great: