jodi arias TAKES THE STAND #65 *may contain graphic and adult content*

[sweetmop]

I don't pray... But I'm standing in the cheering section!


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That'll work! And, I'm more spiritual than religious, for sure!
But I think we all know evil when we see it! :what:

 

[popsicle]

OJ's jury and Casey's jury had a lot in common. They were composed of people who got through life based on emotion. Just my opinion...but when you have a group with that mindset, there will be times when the testimony goes over their heads and they have no idea what "Reasonable Doubt" is. I contend that many don't, even though they say they do. They confuse it with "Beyond a Shadow of a Doubt" and think if the have a doubt, therefore it is reasonable nd they acquit.

That jury of OJ's was located in downtown LA. The SA did not want to have the trial there as they knew what the outcome would be. The trial should have been held in Santa Monica where the crime was.

I was referring to San Mateo County when I spoke of the jury composition in CA. I should have been more clear. Santa Clara County and San Mateo County are tough on crime despite being very liberal. IMO, this is due to the composition of the jurors. Certainly, not all counties in the State share the same attitude towards crime and punishment...and LA is one of them.

Sorry for misleading you into thinking I was referring to all of California.

iirc it is the SA that moved the trial into LA.

 

[kscornfed]

Sorry this is the pic

That close up of TA's face is a real Rorschach test. Everyone sees something different in it. It's haunting no matter what you believe it means because you know in about 2 minutes, he'll be dead.

So it troubles us. It didn't bother jodi to look at it at all. When det. Flores showed it to her, she went on and on about what a great picture it was. Twisted beeotch.

 

[Schuby]

No I mean on the bed. I don't recall seeing any pics that show sheets on the bed. Just the comforter.

In other words, how do we know his bed was even made that day?

I'm only obsessing over this because people think the washed sheets are proof they had sex.

And, the more I think about it--I don't think he had sex with her that day.

Why didn't they shower together?

Have you ever tried to shower with someone? It's not as sexy as in the movies..lol!

 

[Archaea]

I can't believe some people would go so far as to mock Travis death. What happened to respect for the dead? Travis is the victim, and deserves justice.

 

[KarmicLaw]

It's official. I'm a glutton for punishment. You'd think watching her testify would be enough to make me psycho. But nooooo, I waste my day reading the transcriptions. Maybe I just needed confirmation in writing of what I was listening to the first time? Ugh...madness. I was getting a bit nauseated when I read about the jury questions in the beginning, such as whether or not the roommates had alibi's, but as it progressed, I started feeling better about the jury questions. I think it is now safe to eat for the day.

 

[bexlex]

IIRC, and I might be mistaken, but I thought she talked about using the stool when she was dusting his closet, the day she found the gun. Did anyone else hear it that way?

that's what i heard via the youtube recordings

 

[Pruddennce]

IIRC, on June 2nd, she called him two or three times, but it went to voicemail. He called her back twice for a total of about 30-40 minutes. This would have been while she was spending the night with Matt, by the way.

On June 3rd, he did not call her at all, but she made a short call to him around 9:00 PM, 2 or 3 minutes I believe.

Don't hold me to this - it may not be exactly right, but the point is there was not much communication between them immediately prior to the murder.

IMO, JA surprised him.

she also contradicted herself by saying that Travis helped her bring her bags in....then skip just a wee bit ahead and suddenly she is 'suprising him at the doorway of his office and jeez the dog was even surprised and didnt know she was standing there'......this was on direct....

also, her camera was packed so they used his new one.....then wa la....they are using her camera to make a sex video which was as her story goes, erased.

so which is it. this was on direct, the "used his came instead'......then it changed on cross to 'we used my camera for a sex video'...Juan didnt get much into HER camera because obviously it wasnt used for anything...but she lied nonetheless...

for me the highlight of this case that really ties the events together is Lisa Perry and the blood spatter....and the 'walking through blood' and the swipes, and the movement of his blood (as in smeared) when it relates to the spilling of blood directly from a blood source.....which there were several blood patterns consistent with that.....

her testimony was key as to Travis' struggle with this psychopath.

it is not a plausible story..as the blood pattern along with pictures tells the story...I wouldnt be surprised if the reason the sheets were taken off of the bed was because she needed to drag him to the shower.....

there was no need to strip the bed....her dna was already spilled mixed with his blood....and surely she knew that. she missed the palm print, for sure.....but she did wipe down the bannister.

but of course she thought she covered everything...the gas....the receipts....the rental....the license plate....the phone msgs to a dead man...the camera in the washer....

if I were the jurors, I would shut down now esp when the 'experts' are brought in to talk about 'abuse'...what abuse? she drove thousands of miles to kill him...she bought another gun as a prop...actually asking the investigator if a gun as involved (during the phone interview I believe)......she was all ready to say, I HAVE A GUN, knowing it wouldnt match the .25 he was killed with....and then eventually said she bought a gun.....for which the state could give two hoots about....its not relevant because it wasnt used in this crime...

but he sure bought out the coincidental burglary....

all pre-med IMO...I think the jurors 'get it' by now.....

 

[LinasK]

I wonder if the detectives followed up on her story that she was going on a camping trip with a few male friends and that is why she bought the other gun for protection, or was she going after someone else that pizzed her off.

More likely to go after Mimi, because they also found that she had knives packed in books. Double method seems to be her MO.

 

[Schuby]

That close up of TA's face is a real Rorschach test. Everyone sees something different in it. It's haunting no matter what you believe it means because you know in about 2 minutes, he'll be dead.

So it troubles us. It didn't bother jodi to look at it at all. When det. Flores showed it to her, she went on and on about what a great picture it was. Twisted beeotch.

Rorschach test is a great analogy...I don't see fear or panic at all.

 

[popsicle]

Have you ever tried to shower with someone? It's not as sexy as in the movies..lol!

:floorlaugh:
Exactly...and that shower was small.

 

[JusticeJunkie]

For a couple of decades I was a paralegal and wrote many legal pleading first drafts for attorneys. As you all probably know, they don't do a lot of their work themselves. I can tell you right now that this is a sloppy, thrown together document which was not even proofread by a professional. He actually calls her "Jodi" in a couple of paragraphs-- a glaring error in terms of legalese. She was Ms. Arias on other pages.

This means it was very rushed and why would that be?

There's only one reason and that is that the DT or the accused is panicking. We all speculate how we think things are going. This plea offer is a -like demonstration of what a vicious non-repentant murderer does when cornered. Lash out savagely.

I'm delighted they don't things are going well and I hope the jury has a chance to see the plea offer (although I doubt they will see it).

OH, how I wish they could see it.

http://grahamwinch.files.wordpress.com/2013/01/jodiariasngfile.pdf

 

[Nova]

Unless because of her testimony regarding the gun...they find it. In that case discovery does not apply and the gun would come in during the States rebuttal case.

Are you sure? It seems to me such a scenario would absolve the State from its obligation of prior disclosure, but it wouldn't free the State (or Defense if the situation were reversed) from having to disclose the discovery at the time it was made.

Again, still not a lawyer.

 

[panthera]

Any water sitting in the trunk of 100 plus degree car, is going to be extremely hot!!! You wouldn't want to drink it, or wash with it, besides where did she have room for it in the trunk in addition to the gas cans and her luggage???
It wasn't a large size car, IIRC.

Interestingly enough one morning on the way to work this past week, there was a Ford Focus slightly ahead of me in the next lane. I was fixated on the trunk, thinking of what JA has testified to. I cannot fathom gas cans and bottled water sharing the same, close space. I also agree regarding the water, and it is also dangerous to drink from those plastic bottles if they have been overheated. No way would someone store a case of bottled water in the trunk during hot weather.

MOO

 

[Whisperer]

Where did she get the money to buy a glock? She must have owed Budget rental a small fortune.

 

[paperwing]

where are you finding all these? can you give me a link tia

From our media thread and Huffington Post.

Um... I don't know how to post a link to a single post...
The letter: transcribed by hindsight2020 (thank you!) post #508 here:
http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=195462&page=21

The chat/IM exchange between JA and Burns is in one of the slideshows on the Arias page in HuffPost Crime - scroll down for the slideshow of 161 photos starting with JA's DL - the screenshots start at about slide 40. (WARNING: most preceding photos are from the autopsy/crime scene/nudes - don't know how you can avoid them so just a head's up).

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/01/04/jodi-arias-crime-scene-photos_n_2412031.html#slide=1963036

 

[paperwing]

Where did she get the money to buy a glock? She must have owed Budget rental a small fortune.

grift

 

[Jinkasaurus]

Not that it really matters, but where did Jodi get a bunch of water bottles from CostCo?

As far as I know, you need a membership, or you can go with someone who has a membership. That is not something I've heard mention of in her travels on her trip to kill Travis.

Maybe one of her boyfriends gave it to her?

 

[molly333]

IMO, JA surprised him.

she also contradicted herself by saying that Travis helped her bring her bags in....then skip just a wee bit ahead and suddenly she is 'suprising him at the doorway of his office and jeez the dog was even surprised and didnt know she was standing there'......this was on direct....

also, her camera was packed so they used his new one.....then wa la....they are using her camera to make a sex video which was as her story goes, erased.

so which is it. this was on direct, the "used his came instead'......then it changed on cross to 'we used my camera for a sex video'...Juan didnt get much into HER camera because obviously it wasnt used for anything...but she lied nonetheless...

for me the highlight of this case that really ties the events together is Lisa Perry and the blood spatter....and the 'walking through blood' and the swipes, and the movement of his blood (as in smeared) when it relates to the spilling of blood directly from a blood source.....which there were several blood patterns consistent with that.....

her testimony was key as to Travis' struggle with this psychopath.

it is not a plausible story..as the blood pattern along with pictures tells the story...I wouldnt be surprised if the reason the sheets were taken off of the bed was because she needed to drag him to the shower.....

there was no need to strip the bed....her dna was already spilled mixed with his blood....and surely she knew that. she missed the palm print, for sure.....but she did wipe down the bannister.

but of course she thought she covered everything...the gas....the receipts....the rental....the license plate....the phone msgs to a dead man...the camera in the washer....

if I were the jurors, I would shut down now esp when the 'experts' are brought in to talk about 'abuse'...what abuse? she drove thousands of miles to kill him...she bought another gun as a prop...actually asking the investigator if a gun as involved (during the phone interview I believe)......she was all ready to say, I HAVE A GUN, knowing it wouldnt match the .25 he was killed with....and then eventually said she bought a gun.....for which the state could give two hoots about....its not relevant because it wasnt used in this crime...

but he sure bought out the coincidental burglary....

all pre-med IMO...I think the jurors 'get it' by now.....

Great post.

All the vagueness over the luggage on the stand. There was no luggage. Only the kill kit backpack, imo.

 

[popsicle]

Are you sure? It seems to me such a scenario would absolve the State from its obligation of prior disclosure, but it wouldn't free the State (or Defense if the situation were reversed) from having to disclose the discover at the time it was made.

Again, still not a lawyer.

Rebuttal is one of the few vehicles whereby a party may introduce surprise evidence or witnesses. The basic process is as follows: Both sides of a controversy are obliged to declare in advance of trial what witnesses they plan to call, and what each witness is expected to testify to. When either a plaintiff (or prosecutor) or defendant brings direct evidence or testimony which was not anticipated, the other side may be granted a specific opportunity to rebut it. In rebuttal, the rebutting party may generally bring witnesses and evidence which were never declared before, so long as they serve to rebut the prior evidence.