jodi arias TAKES THE STAND #66 *may contain graphic and adult content*

[Sigh Sister]

She claims she called Travis while she was on the road to Mesa. There would be a record of that. If she hadn't called him, the prosecution would have pointed that out.

IIRC, there were several calls back and forth.

 

[leebee52]

Could JA have taken naked pictures with a phone and got them onto the camera? Maybe I'm losing my mind. Something about those naked pics bugs me. They just seem too lame to have been taken with a "good" camera.

 

[Dmacky]

She claims she called Travis while she was on the road to Mesa. There would be a record of that. If she hadn't called him, the prosecution would have pointed that out.

But MOO just because they talked on the phone doesn't mean he knew she was coming. In fact, the more I think about it I am sure she didn't tell him. She could NOT TAKE A CHANCE that he would be able to mention to somebody that she was coming...via text or phone call or even a room mate

 

[justsharing]

Can someone please explain how to upload an image. When I push the insert image icon it says to type in the url. I want to upload from my photos.....help pleaselease::banghead::banghead::banghead:

 

[leebee52]

Could she have used a cheapo disposable phone?

 

[G&AMom]

Oh, it wasn't subconscious at all... have you read his texts from April and May of 2008? Less than a month before he was murdered by her, he had her pegged and I think it was a fatal mistake to let her know how accurate he was.

For example:
These are all FROM Travis TO JA
April 2008 (I think - if not, its close)
(illegible) you have that
information. its 15 minutes it
would take to gt the info.
But you won't take 15
minutes. Why because it is
an Fing lie. So either text
me you that you are ready
to tell the truth or give me
your imaginary friend with
the worst BS story you have
ever told or leave me alone.
Its a lie like no other. It is
freaking foolish. There is no
way out of it, you have
screwed up your story so
bad you can't mend it. You
are caught. When will you
realize that. I do not know.
You have til tomorrow. to
have me this persons
information before I tell all
of the hughes' leslie udy,
the freemans, your parents
and anyone else that
matters about all the crazy
things you have done. So
either fess up or feel the
wrath. No matter how bad
the truth is I promise you
the punishment will be
better than the lie. This is
worse than your magical
email that a mysterious man
you've never seen before
wrote for you. You insult me
by thinking ill believe such
crap. nothing else from you
til the truth. I already know
your lying so why continue.
After tomorrow, its gonna
get real bad for you. Time to
spit it out.
-----------------------------
These 3 are all part of one long text,
no replies from JA in between:
05/26/08 at 07:59:15am
I sent you a response to
your dire conversation, that
I hope youread because
you need to read it. Maybe
it will spark human emotion
in you, something that only
seems to exist when it
comes to your own
problems. But everyone
else is just a part of your
sick agenda. By the way,
your pic comment to Danny
Jones makes you look like a
pure , even more to
the people who know you.
You should be embarrassed
by it. If he knew what I knew
about you he'd spit in ur
face. Sow ould everyone
else. I have never never in
my life been hurt so bad by
someone. But why do I
even say it because you
don't care. It doesn't serve
your evilness.
05/26/08 at 08:35:02am
You couldn't get off your
lazy butt to to read it could
you. That's the sociopath (I)
know so well. it freakin
figures
05/26/08 at 09:11:11am
I don't want your apology I
want you to understand
what I think of you. I want
you to understand how evil I
think you are. You are the
worst thing that ever
happened to me.

These texts are . . . I can't find the word for them. It seems like the first one, April 2008, he must not have told people whatever it was, since the May 10 sex tape is AFTER this. So JA must have "explained" it all away? And then he found out later it was true?

I know that we have never seen this email that he sent her, but I'm wondering if LE ever found it? You would think it would be on the Sent Mail in his computer. Of course, we know Jodi had access . . . .

 

[leebee52]

These texts are . . . I can't find the word for them. It seems like the first one, April 2008, he must not have told people whatever it was, since the May 10 sex tape is AFTER this. So JA must have "explained" it all away? And then he found out later it was true?

I know that we have never seen this email that he sent her, but I'm wondering if LE ever found it? You would think it would be on the Sent Mail in his computer. Of course, we know Jodi had access . . . .

Can't help but wonder if those texts had something to do with her pedophile accusations.

 

[Dmacky]

Could she have used a cheapo disposable phone?

There are for sure phone calls between the two. I have seen them. But it still doesn't mean she told him she was coming.

 

[leebee52]

There are for sure phone calls between the two. I have seen them. But it still doesn't mean she told him she was coming.

I meant, a cheapo disposable to call others, not Travis. When I think of these things I go back to liar Anthony's dialogue about her Sim cards and all of that.

 

[makayla]

yes (a P.I.) I am sorting through the photos, It occurred to me the nude photos of her in provocative poses were taken by her with the camera timer. She even took a photo of him at 1:44:50 where he is asleep. Her nude shots are before that so he was not taking them of her.

My original thought was she got there and he willingly engaged in sexual activity and there was consensual "whatever" that afternoon, but now I am not so sure what exactly went on.

Pretty much everything she says is a lie, especially what she really can't help to beat into the ground and make sure she has said over and over like she does not know how to operate his camera, she was not proficient at it. Why keep saying that? Then I realized the very provocative shots of her nude and from the back she took of herself and he was sleeping. So when Mr. Martinez says things like (and her attorney) then you took photos of each other) and she says "Yes" She is lying, he did not take photos of her? SHE took photos of herself and of him.

This is telling me she was either not getting what she wanted from him in bed this trip so she wants to document it for use later. Of course as an amateur photographer she will take any date stamps off easily so she can say these were taken any old time (certainly not the day of the murder) She took a picture of him while he is asleep and she placed the KY Lubricant bottle next to him. I fully believe that is staged. I'm not saying they did not use it for "something", but I now realized she staged these photos. If she staged them, then "why?" They are deleted from the camera so I am pretty sure it was "him" that made her delete the nudes. In doing that, she then knew how to delete. Later on, she deleted the two incriminating shots of him down and bleeding and the ceiling shot because she now knew how to delete photos.

I start by asking myself what is there physical evidence they had sex? No. Did they take their clothes off? Yes. Are there any photos of them in the shot together? No. Any with semen in the shot (on her, on the sheets)? No. Prior to this surprise visit to Travis in AZ did he visit his Bishop to begin cleansing himself of sins to get back on track with Church? Yes.

Would being nude in the room with her be sinning? Yes, but not a major sin, I don't think they had sex and I think that angered her even more that day. She always got that from him. Previously to this day, she was always able to get him to want to be with her, have sex with her. That day? I am convinced they did not. I think he was suspicious of her, I think he was not happy that he woke up and she took nude pictures of him, which he had her delete. I feel confident he did not go further with her sexually given the nature of the long email he sent her only 1.5 weeks prior. He may have rightfully figured she can't be trusted, she will get pregnant this time, my life will be over.

This is now 2:00pm upstairs in his room. Photos in the shower begin at approximately 5:20pm so 3.5 hours from the nude photos she took that got deleted.

The shower photos in my opinion are somewhat forced. Their day is over, she is actually dressed between 2pm and 5pm. He could be just trying to get her to leave, indicating roommates are coming back or he has to go somewhere. I can see her anger build as she was trying to find the right moment when she had him vulnerable. She may have contemplated killing him on the bed while he slept after she took nudes, but he woke up. She waited a few more hours. She was dressed and talked him into photographing him in the shower but they look forced to me. I am still not convinced he did not get in the shower and he thought she left but she didn't. She shows up in the bathroom door with her gun and knife, dressed.

There is no way with a gun and knife he would charge her, he'd be a dead man. All of the photos could have been taken at gunpoint. When she made him sit down and cross his legs he may have thought he would just be shot but she plunged the knife into him.

Stephanie, great input! I agree, no sex, and the KY was staged. I hadn't thought about Travis asking her to delete the nude pics so that she had already learned how to delete before the fast deleting she did after the killing - thanks for thinking of that - you are filling in some of my gaps.

 

[leebee52]

Specifically, I wonder if a disposable came into play when she claimed her phone wasn't charged, couldn't find the charger or whatever...JA that is.

 

[kscornfed]

I believe the friends said they noticed the smell as soon as they got in the bedroom, but that it was not a strong odor in the rest of the house. MOO

O/T my husband had broken his nose on a camping trip as a teenager and didn't see a doctor about it at the time. Many years later he had his deviated septum fixed. Afterwards, he went to play racquetball with a friend and when he came home, he said, "You know what? Men's locker rooms smell really bad!" Up to that time he never noticed. :floorlaugh:

det. flores said it was obvious as soon as he entered the house. but then he knows that smell. they didn't. they thought it was the dog. even if they'd been concerned about a bad smell, TA wasn't home---they assumed he was out of town----so there was nothing they could really do about it.

 

[molly333]

But MOO just because they talked on the phone doesn't mean he knew she was coming. In fact, the more I think about it I am sure she didn't tell him. She could NOT TAKE A CHANCE that he would be able to mention to somebody that she was coming...via text or phone call or even a room mate

I agree. But, she had to find out his plans, who was going to be there, dates or room mates.

Hence the phone calls.

IMO

 

[G&AMom]

I have been DVRing the trial and watching it here and there, pretty intense. One problem I am having is that I didnt keep up with this case back when it all started to come together before the trial. Can you folks answer some basic questions for me so I can have some frame of reference while I watch the rest of her testimony on my dvr this week, I justhad knee surgery and so I get to play hooky from work for a month and lay around on my butt and do nothing so in addition to re reading all my cool Charles Bukowski books I am going to watch Jody on the stand, since I am a defense attorney myself and in Arizona, the case obviously is right up my figurative alley, as they say.


First of all what is the general consensus as to WHY SHE KILLED HIM, not what SHE SAYS but what does the state and the evidence say, was she jealous of another lady in his life, did he break it off with her that day and she flipped, did he break it off with her on another day and she then plotted and planned the murder? Did he invite her over that day or did she just 'pop in'?

So basically what does the evidence tell us as to why she killed Mr Alexander?


I know what her story is, wrt to she caught him in the act of fondling himself to pics of little boys, things quickly went sour between them because of it, they broke it off but continued on as friends with benefits and on the day of the murder he invited her over for more sex or rather some more of the old "Provo Push" ROFL variety of acceptable pre martial Mormon dry humping sex. Did they actually have vaginal sex ever, according to her it seems they did not and it was all dry humps and anal? Is this correct?

If there are ANY OF YOU out there than thinks this was FOR REAL self defense and thinks she should get 2nd degree instead of 1st degree, I particularly would like to HEAR FROM YOU and your theory of what the evidence suggests in that regard.

How do we think this went down, he was in the shower perhaps after their little romp and she rushed him Norman Bates style while he was showering and started stabbing in a fit of rage (or was that part planned too?) and THEN SHOT HIM in the head AFTER to finish him off. As I understand it when the gunshotoccured is of utmost importance in that if she shot him FIRST as he rushed and lunged on her that could POSSIBLY suggest self defense, if she shot him AFTER she stabbed him to finish him off, that suggests fit of rage with intent to kill but certainly not self defense.


Lastly for now, where can I read their TEXT MESSAGES from phones and computer emails etc, has any of that been released to public yet or leaked to the intertubes?


Also can you please link me to anything that you think is a MUST READ for the Jodi Arais trial beginner?


Thanks in advance sleuthers, you have never let me down in all these years yet SO DONT START NOW, help a bedridden brother recovering from knee surgery out with something to keep busy reading and catching up on all things Jodi Arias murder case.


Gonzo

OMG a Zappa fan! Brown shoes don't make it.

 

[leebee52]

det. flores said it was obvious as soon as he entered the house. but then he knows that smell. they didn't. they thought it was the dog. even if they'd been concerned about a bad smell, TA wasn't home---they assumed he was out of town----so there was nothing they could really do about it.

That makes me want to laugh. No way in Hades does any dog smell like a dead person unless the dog is dead. I've smelled dead a few times.

 

[Quester]

I am starting to really question when the "naughty" pictures were taken. I don't know enough about photography but is it possible that those six photographs were copied from JA's computer onto the new camera's disk at 1:30pm. Maybe they weren't taken that day at all? If you copy a picture from somewhere else onto a disk, wouldn't the timestamp read as the time you copied the picture?

His legs appear hairless in those photographs. (They do not in the shower pics.) Also - why is the bed made? She says they woke up and had sex but didn't they ever sleep IN the bed; why is the duvet on?

I'm really starting to think that she may well have arrived at 4am. but that he didn't know she was there. She could have been the one on his computer. The camera box was in the office so she very well could have uploaded photos onto his new camera. He might not have even known she was in the house until very shortly before he was killed!

Super creepy!

BBM - I had thought the bed was made in the nude photos of TA but now believe he is on the fitted bed sheet. Those dark colored sheets and comforter cover make it difficult to determine made bed or not. JMO

I found and looked at a couple of the JA nude photos of her laying down [not the woo hoo shots :notgood:]. It was unclear to me if she was on the bed or on the comforter spread out on the floor.

As others here have expressed, I too think JA took those nude photos of herself, then she sneaked up on the sleeping/awakening TA and took those two nude photos.

Can anyone tell for sure if JA's nude photos were on the bed or on the comforter on the floor? TIA

 

[StephanieHartPI]

For all we know she arrived that morning and the entire 12 hours was more a hostage situation at knife and gun point. What's he going to do with a crazed stalker with a loaded gun and a knife.

Not much...just try to stay alive.

We need to try to go with our gut, reach deep down and we all have that sixth sense. When I think of the current version that is playing out in court where he let her in, they had sex, the KY, the showering my gut is telling me Travis is trying to say that did NOT happen. He's not ok with this.

When I think I have hit on a more accurate scenario, you can almost feel someone saying "YES! YES! I've been trying to tell you that.. I NEVER had sex with her that day"

 

[G&AMom]

Good morning all!

Her testimony from Thursday regarding the shell casing is a bit curious.

M: Right so how is it ma'am that if you are shooting him and that's the first thing that happened, then how is it that the shell-casing, exhibit 111 then landed in blood?
N: Objection, calls for speculation
J: Overruled*
A: It didn't land in blood*
M: You see exhibit 111, right?
A: Yes*
M: That's the casing that was involved in this case isn't it?

M: This was the first, if you will, blow, correct?
A: Yes*
M: And this is how the casing landed, do you see it?
A: That's not how it landed from the blow*

My question to her would be: Well, where did it land then? Are you suggesting that the shell casing was moved? Despite being in a "fog", you seem to be suggesting that you specifically remember the exact location of the shell casing after you shot Travis.

I'm thinking that maybe she definitively states that it is not where the casing landed because she didn't actually shoot him in that area of the bathroom, and the casing somehow ended up there during her clean up efforts. I know there was some discussion about her probably loving all the speculation about how every thing went down, and she is the only one who truly knows. I think that during this part of her testimony, she couldn't help herself and refuted the photographic evidence. It would have been better for her if she just continued with the " I don't know". Instead she definitively states "that's not how it landed".


Phew! This took me a long time to write. I hope this makes sense!

Maybe others have answered (I'm still trying to catch up on this thread), but I think the issue here is that the ME says he was shot LAST, while Jodi's story is that she shot him FIRST, before stabbing him. If the shell casing landed on blood already on the floor, that proves the she is (one again) lying.

 

[beeshie]

Grrr, I hope not. The Steubenville Rape case begins March 13th. I'd hate to have to choose which to watch.



I think he lost control and then resorted to being blatant and that's what motivated her.



Morbid keepsake of the crime.



Jeez, do you have a link for that? I'd like to find out more. TIA

No morbid keepsake because she deleted the pictures, put the camera in the washer, and didn't take the sd card. So what is the purpose of the pictures if he's not aware of them or if she's holding a knife or gun on him?

 

[KBisMe]

I like reading articles like this. :great:

http://www.abc15.com/dpp/news/regio...aring-murder-suspects-testimony#ixzz2MLEx9mLw