jodi arias TAKES THE STAND #66 *may contain graphic and adult content*

[Truth Detector]

Yea! I was a caller on Tricia's Tru Crime tonight. KatieCoolady was great! Beth Karras was great. It's so great there's a radio show for for this trial. What a great show tonight!

Heard your call, good one LE!

 

[paperwing]

Just got off the radio with Tricia...I nearly missed it as I messed up the time zone! Thanks for the comments/call ins people! :rocker:

You were wonderful, true, and it was great, painful, uplifting, sobering and joyful to hear you speak on so many things that led (me anyway) down all those emotional paths.

Tears welled up - along with a smile (confused me there for a sec!) as you explained your online 'name'.
Thank you so much...
I hope you do that again soon!

And hey! You're in Arizona - there is no timezone! We just mooch off whoever is hanging out on either side of us and use theirs.

 

[Furiously_Following]

Hi everyone, I'm a looong-time lurker but first time poster. :seeya:

I know a lot of people keep questioning what made Jodi snap and kill Travis. I have a little different explanation of her motivation based on being raised by a mother with "cluster B" personality disorders (mostly borderline but could be classified under almost all of them).

Jodi and my mother are very, very similar. So similar it's scary; however, my mother never killed anyone. But, my mother was hyper sexual (with men and women), displayed stalker tendencies (spying on people, listening in on conversations, steaming open her boyfriend's mail), would become "obsessed" with certain people to the point of having no other friends, did crazy things to people she perceived wronged her (tire slashing, nails under tires, sugar in gas tanks, faked suicide attempts) and lived only in her own "truth". Yet, people who only saw my mother in social situations (like at work) thought she was very nice.

So how does this tie in with Jodi? In my opinion, Jodi killed Travis because he questioned and threatened her "truth". The texts from him to Jodi show he had started to figure out who she really was. The fact that he shared this knowledge with her was probably enough to start planning how to get rid of him. In my experience, things like jealousy or betrayal don't have the same effect on cluster B disordered people. Things that trigger them make no sense to those of us who aren't disordered.

If Jodi is anything like my mother, her "truth" is the world that she creates in her mind and that she chooses to live in. Any questioning of her "truth" was completely unacceptable. Any time I questioned my mother's truth, she became physically violent with me while telling me how it was all my fault she had to hit me.

My mother used to tell us constantly that she was only being honest when she saw situations completely different than everyone else. I'm sure Jodi did the same to Travis. Being around these people for any length of time does make you begin to think that you are crazy.

My heart breaks for Travis' family and for Travis and the hell that Jodi put him through. I hope this post makes sense...it's not something I speak of often.

My experience with these kind of ppl is---you are with them or against them-no in between!
Hell hath no fury if you are not in agreement with everything they say and believe.

 

[norest4thewicked]

Why pose for photos you hope no one will ever see? Remember she did NOT want those pictures to survive.

You are posing that question from a mind that most likely could never be like Jodi's mind. It's very clear looking at the entire case that Jodi was not thinking clearly and it's a fact that the vast majority of us will never be able to think like a psychopath. Who knows why she did it? I think that the fact that Travis wouldn't have sex with her for the last time is one of the things that infuriated her and made her realize that she was not going to ever get him back. This makes sense to me.

 

[thefragile7393]

I always say this about doctors. I don't care aout their bedside manner as long as they are competent. HOWEVER, there is some truth to the saying that "a jury is 12 people who decide which side has the best lawyer". For some reason, or lack of reason, jurors do allow themselves to be persuaded by the "attractiveness" of a lawyer. Heck, look at how we want to see the ME and other attractive folks on the stand!! I know that JM has a lot of experience. Jodi is a different breed. In many of the high profile cases JM has won, the defendant never took the stand. And I doubt he has ever seen the likes of a monster like Jodi. I just don't want to underestimate the ability of Jodi to get under JM's skin to the point that he turns even one juror. I think he had a strong finish on cross and I think it's just his style to be passionate and on the aggressive. I can take it, but I know a lot of people who are still incapable of believing that HA did this alone, or didn't have a good reason. Ugh, I hope they aren't on the jury.

He has seen Wendi Andriano. Not sure if she is a sociopath...hard to tell with what little I know. I would say he has seen pretty darn close with her.

 

[whoanellie]

Typically there is a one attorney (on a side) per witness rule. If Wilmott wanted to do the redirect my guess is that Martinez would object and the court would not allow it.

 

[Truth Detector]

I'm confused! Subtitles pleased!

He gently reminded you on this thread that you were going to be late.

It was immediately before you were on with Tricia.

 

[thefragile7393]

:what:you just blew my mind.

but...how....:waitasec:

And court reporter Mike can do 300 words per minute with this stuff (not standard typing 300 words per minute. Is it called kpsh or something?)

 

[kscornfed]

I joined the trial late with JM's cross of JA, blessedly avoiding the repellent Nurmi. This has probably been covered a hundred times, but why in the world didn't Travis change his locks, pin numbers, passwords, etc. long before his death? According to Flores, JA was still accessing his test messages/voice mail the day she slaughtered him. It's incredible to me that those were still available to her. And he never locked his house? Sheesh.

Well, when did he find out what she was doing? Wasn't it just days before she killed him? As for the doors, she was 1000 miles away and I think it's obvious he didn't realize she was dangerous on top of crazy.

 

[katiecoolady]

He gently reminded you on this thread that you were going to be late.

It was immediately before you were on with Tricia.

:blushing: Oh dear...I was resting waiting for my alarm to get ready to go on. D'oh!

(and I never knew minor4th was a male)

Thanks for being my reminder minor4th! Can I give you my number to keep me on track in other situations? :blushing:

 

[Curious Me]

Well said, all of it. I can tell you've been thinking about this case a lot. Me, too. I am relieved to hear you are still doubting the sex that day. He was blocking her from his life. Travis was mad in that text and I doubt he just let her in again. He had lost all trust in her.

I'm having a difficult time believing she got there in the middle of the night and he let her get into bed with him to sleep. IMO, her premeditated plan has a hidden part to it. Mainly, did Travis even know she was there, and if so, did he let her stay willingly.

Is it possible that Travis was on the computer early in the morning and she was peeping in the window which is how she know this? Maybe she didn't come in at that time because of the roomates? Waited until after they left to sneak in the house? Did they see her car?

And if he was up that late, which it appears from the calls on the previous evenings he was known to do, is it possible that he went to bed at some point and was still sleeping around 1:40 in the afternoon. It was really hot that day. Could he have just laid on top of the bed naked because of the heat? Air conditioning doesn't work that well on the top floor of two story houses.

Is there a time stamp for the braid picture? That is the only one that looks like it might have been taken by someone else.

So it's possible that she woke him up around that time and there was no sex?

The only thing that is strange is that it appears the shower door is open in all the shower pictures. He would not have done that if he thought he was alone. So I'm really unsure about those pics and how they came about.

Regarding the pics, didn't JA say that either she or Travis had deleted some before the shower pics? Wouldn't the shower pics have overwritten those on the memory card before they were deleted? I'm not familiar with this but it would seem difficult to retrieve two sets of pics deleted from the same memory card at different times? I noticed JM was really questioning her about who deleted the pics and when. Do you think he knows this and that it's impossible for him to have deleted pics before the shower pics were taken?

MOO

See, you're voicing some of my thoughts that maybe we are believing it Jodi's way, and that's not the real story. Jodi enjoyed premeditating intricate ways to go undetected. She was probably so full of herself feeling clever. I could see her having, like I said before, a hidden part to the premeditation.

I don't know about the tricky camera stuff she may have done, or why she would choose to leave it - if it was some hidden part of her premeditation. I just know that when I look at the nude pics they do not look like intimate sex. They aren't together in those pics - why is that?

Shower doors are hard to explain because if he was being held at gun point, then why would she be controlling the door like that.

Sometimes I wonder if JM and Flores know they didn't have sex, but decided to try it the way she set it up to look.

 

[Madeleine74]

So I goggled court reporter typewriter and found what the keyboard looks like and the print out that is typed. crazy

I took a semester of stenography when I was thinking of a possible career change. The keyboard is completely different than anything else. You type out a word at a time rather than a letter at a time and it's done phonetically. And the phonetics are completely different. There are different steno theories used (i.e. variances in the steno language) but the basics between all of theories are very similar. I forget much of it now, but my brain was getting rewired at the time I took the class. You press multiple keys all at one time to create the phonetic sound of the word.

 

[Truth Detector]

Why are ja's arm aiming backward in her linebacker poise...a linebacker would be lunging with his arms outstretch in front of him to catch his opponent.

She misspoke. She meant "lie-backer stance."

She "couldn't keep [her] lies straight."

She needed to concoct a "lie-backer", even if it was the victim himself.

 

[ricky_ticky]

The text. What the heck did she do?
What did he find out?
He only hints, he never spells it out.

It was something BIG!!!!

BUT WHAT?

Why after that did she feel like she had the right to defy him further?

My belief is that it wasn't one big thing but a series of escalating things. I was reviewing one of the 48 Hours-related videos wherein friends of Travis' stated that initially they had really liked Jodi. She was quiet, shy, and very nice. They asked Travis, "Is she really that nice?" and he said "Yes," like, "isn't it amazing?"

She went from a serious girlfriend whom his friends thought he would marry to a tire-slashing stalker letting herself into his home uninvited to a savage killer. I cannot fathom why he let her into his home when she showed up that day, (at 4am!)

 

[cubbeegirl]

I always say this about doctors. I don't care aout their bedside manner as long as they are competent. HOWEVER, there is some truth to the saying that "a jury is 12 people who decide which side has the best lawyer". For some reason, or lack of reason, jurors do allow themselves to be persuaded by the "attractiveness" of a lawyer. Heck, look at how we want to see the ME and other attractive folks on the stand!! I know that JM has a lot of experience. Jodi is a different breed. In many of the high profile cases JM has won, the defendant never took the stand. And I doubt he has ever seen the likes of a monster like Jodi. I just don't want to underestimate the ability of Jodi to get under JM's skin to the point that he turns even one juror. I think he had a strong finish on cross and I think it's just his style to be passionate and on the aggressive. I can take it, but I know a lot of people who are still incapable of believing that HA did this alone, or didn't have a good reason. Ugh, I hope they aren't on the jury.

Jeez....what could possibly be a "good reason" to do what she did to him to anybody?

 

[Schuby]

I really don't understand why there is any resistance to the idea that they had sex that day. It doesn't make him any less a victim. That he had a sexual weakness for her is well documented and confirmed by his own words on the phone sex tape.

 

[norest4thewicked]

:blushing: Oh dear...I was resting waiting for my alarm to get ready to go on. D'oh!

(and I never knew minor4th was a male)

Thanks for being my reminder minor4th! Can I give you my number to keep me on track in other situations? :blushing:

Minor4th is female...

 

[Karmady]

Typically there is a one attorney (on a side) per witness rule. If Wilmott wanted to do the redirect my guess is that Martinez would object and the court would not allow it.

A rule, or a practice? If you've seen a rule can you link it? Thanks

 

[Truth Detector]

I took a semester of stenography when I was thinking of a possible career change. The keyboard is completely different than anything else. You type out a word at a time rather than a letter at a time and it's done phonetically. And the phonetics are completely different. There are different steno theories used (i.e. variances in the steno language) but the basics between all of theories are very similar. I forget much of it now, but my brain was getting rewired at the time I took the class. You press multiple keys all at one time to create the phonetic sound of the word.

This is also how closed captioning is created on the fly; e.g., live programming.

 

[KarmicLaw]

He has seen Wendi Andriano. Not sure if she is a sociopath...hard to tell with what little I know. I would say he has seen pretty darn close with her.

I didn't follow that case. I read a bit about it, but can't recall if she took the stand. Did she?