jodi arias TAKES THE STAND #66 *may contain graphic and adult content*

[iSleuth]

Of course she had no plans to leave on June 4th IMO
UNTIL he told her to leave and never return IMO.

Interesting, I noticed in one of her ninja scenarios she told Flores that she said something to him like..." no way- if I am leaving I am taking you with me"

::::shudder::::

I would love to know which parts of her psychopathic lying stories offer true bits and pieces of what went down there that day.

 

[Sigh Sister]

I pondered this the other day and I believe her explanation is very simple in a cya mode. It didn't land that way because there was no blood. She will never concede that point. jmo



I do not believe JA knows the first thing about how casings eject from a firearm. imo Everything is about spin for her.

By not conceding that point, any credibility she may have had left with the jurors is most certainly out the window. The picture is very clear. The casing was on top of blood.

 

[suzyq211]

Good morning all!

Her testimony from Thursday regarding the shell casing is a bit curious.

M: Right so how is it ma'am that if you are shooting him and that's the first thing that happened, then how is it that the shell-casing, exhibit 111 then landed in blood?
N: Objection, calls for speculation
J: Overruled*
A: It didn't land in blood*
M: You see exhibit 111, right?
A: Yes*
M: That's the casing that was involved in this case isn't it?

M: This was the first, if you will, blow, correct?
A: Yes*
M: And this is how the casing landed, do you see it?
A: That's not how it landed from the blow*

My question to her would be: Well, where did it land then? Are you suggesting that the shell casing was moved? Despite being in a "fog", you seem to be suggesting that you specifically remember the exact location of the shell casing after you shot Travis.

I'm thinking that maybe she definitively states that it is not where the casing landed because she didn't actually shoot him in that area of the bathroom, and the casing somehow ended up there during her clean up efforts. I know there was some discussion about her probably loving all the speculation about how every thing went down, and she is the only one who truly knows. I think that during this part of her testimony, she couldn't help herself and refuted the photographic evidence. It would have been better for her if she just continued with the " I don't know". Instead she definitively states "that's not how it landed".


Phew! This took me a long time to write. I hope this makes sense!

I saw/heard that and it blew my mind! WTH?

 

[popsicle]

I believe I read that because of how clean the top of the shell casing was, the blood would have to have been there first. I don't know if that was confirmed, or just someone's strong belief. Does anyone know?

imo If that casing was kicked around and moved, with all the blood that was in that bathroom, there would be blood not only on the casing but also inside it. The State is saying that the casing landed on top of the blood because there is no blood anywhere except under it.

 

[popsicle]

By not conceding that point, any credibility she may have had left with the jurors is most certainly out the window. The picture is very clear. The casing was on top of blood.

It was also very clear that her finger was not bent in the picture, taken with her sister, just prior to the murder of Travis. :what: :floorlaugh:

 

[Novice Seeker]

This case has taken up so much of my time it's a little embarrassing. It's gotten to the point where I'm ordering out now almost every night. I've sat through my sons tournament reading here and posting, put off getting medical care, ducked friends and families phone calls....

I think I need an intervention, but I think I'm in the wrong place! .lol!

Me too!! On my birthday last week I told my family that I wasn't going anywhere and if they wanted to eat out they could pick up some take out for all of us and join me at my computer. But, unless there was a sidebar, no talking.
Lucky for the family Jodi came down with a migraine.:what:

 

[makayla]

Thanks to wildabouttrial for the pictures from the trial - wow!

This is a great example of why I said last night that I think Jodi has manly hands - in fact, her whole appearance in this photo looks quite manly . . .

 

[Venom]

Somebody earlier referred to JA's hoo hoo not quite looking right.

OMG. Thank you for bringing that up. I looked at it the pictures the other night (and I wish I hadn't - I need brain and eye bleach in a bad way), but anyway....ever since I saw those pictures I've wanted to talk about them! They seriously grossed me out like nothing I've ever seen. I'm not trying to be mean or poke fun of her at all, but what is wrong with her hoo hoo? It doesn't look right! Also, the other place..erm...the bum hole. Yikes. I just dun know. Those pictures freaked me out. I'm not kidding. She looks deformed.

My thoughts exactly. When I looked at them, I thought something was off.

 

[Wake_me]

Does anyone know Jodi's ethnic background? Pictures of her before the murder I thought she almost looked like she was part Asian, but she looks radically different now.

TIA

 

[Sigh Sister]

It was also very clear that her finger was not bent in the picture, taken with her sister, just prior to the murder of Travis. :what: :floorlaugh:

JM even got her to admit that the injury to her finger happened on June 4. If I was on the jury, I'd be quite sick of her insults to my intelligence. She's done. :jail:

 

[R.U.Kidding!]

After watching the CNN special I have a totally new view of what may have transpired.

#1--All his friends said it was Jodi that killed him
#2--He had just written that hate filled text to JA, about her being a sociopath.

..........and after his friends knowing she was stalking TA and had slashed his tires, obviously TA knew this too, maybe the bases of the text. So prior to June 4th, Travis was FINISHED with Jodi. Why would he even allow her near him let alone into his home at 4AM? Then they went to sleep? He actually closed his eyes with this women in his bed?...............................and
They did not have SEX until 2pm--Sex would be the ONLY reason Jodi was there and that would have happened at 4am when she SAYS she got there.....and who arrives at 4am when it is planned? She had a key and let herself in.

WHAT IF?: Travis never knew she was in the house. She may have arrived later in the day or got into the house when it was still dark out, and hid. The photos were taken with a ZOOM lens which she admits.

That picture we see of Travis in the shower looking at her is the first he realizes she is there. That is why we cannot explain that (deer in the headlights) look on his face. I cannot imagine he would have ever allowed her into his home after those texts and knowing, as his friends did, that she was a crazy stalker. The creep factor in this hypothesis is off the scale, I know, but we cannot believe ANYTHING she says and if she is telling us one story...you can best believe it did not happen that way.

I know this sounds crazy, but we are dealing with crazy---and Crazy is as Crazy does!

 

[thefragile7393]

Does anyone know Jodi's ethnic background? Pictures of her before the murder I thought she almost looked like she was part Asian, but she looks radically different now.

TIA

Latin and caucasian

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[momof7]

This has probably been discussed in length, but the gate on the stairs that was up has me a little confused. If anyone can direct me to the posts discussing it would be great.

My ASSUMPTION is the gate was placed on the stairs while TA was not home so the dog stayed downstairs? Then the dog had free roam of the house? That would signal to the roommates that TA was not home and why they didn't look for him regardless of smell or anything else?

Or was the dog confined downstairs all the time, with no free roam? I seem to recall that JA mentioned Napoleon being in the bedroom at some point, but again JA said it.

I just was wondering if the gate was also a sign of premeditation. She placed the gate there to keep the dog downstairs when she came back in or went back upstairs, knowing the roommates would assume TA was not home. It sounds like, even with texts shown in court, TA would get rides with 'peeps', so his car being there didn't mean a lot to them, especially with the looming Cancun trip.

IDK, sometimes, I think too much! The whole premeditation thing has me worried..did JM do enough, illicit enough from JA to prove it? To me its the million dollar question. At this point, a confession and all the lies exposed, overkill (force with like force did not occur here) etc LWOP seems an easy result. Premeditation? We have the trip, the gas cans, the cell phone turned off in AZ...the AZ part almost being blanked out, the robbery at her grandparents. Seem logical for premeditation. But where is the 'smoking gun' as it were? The one thing that leaves no question/reasonable doubt?

Kelly

 

[TartLemon]

If Jodi was taking shower photos she and Travis had discussed, after their sexual encounter, Jodi would not have been dressed the way she was in the final photos. She was there in the bathroom snapping away without any invitation from Travis.

 

[paperwing]

Good morning all!

Her testimony from Thursday regarding the shell casing is a bit curious.

M: Right so how is it ma'am that if you are shooting him and that's the first thing that happened, then how is it that the shell-casing, exhibit 111 then landed in blood?
N: Objection, calls for speculation
J: Overruled*
A: It didn't land in blood*
M: You see exhibit 111, right?
A: Yes*
M: That's the casing that was involved in this case isn't it?

M: This was the first, if you will, blow, correct?
A: Yes*
M: And this is how the casing landed, do you see it?
A: That's not how it landed from the blow*

My question to her would be: Well, where did it land then? Are you suggesting that the shell casing was moved? Despite being in a "fog", you seem to be suggesting that you specifically remember the exact location of the shell casing after you shot Travis.

I'm thinking that maybe she definitively states that it is not where the casing landed because she didn't actually shoot him in that area of the bathroom, and the casing somehow ended up there during her clean up efforts. I know there was some discussion about her probably loving all the speculation about how every thing went down, and she is the only one who truly knows. I think that during this part of her testimony, she couldn't help herself and refuted the photographic evidence. It would have been better for her if she just continued with the " I don't know". Instead she definitively states "that's not how it landed".


Phew! This took me a long time to write. I hope this makes sense!

YOU make sense, Sigh Sister... the one that doesn't make sense (consistently) - is JA.

I think she may have spent so much time with the shot-came-first theory in order to get the DP off the table (but failing), she is staying with that version because it's the one she's gone over and knows best. Just a guess.

That said, I (personally) don't think the fact that the shell casing is lying in/on a pool of blood is as determinative as it seems to be at first glance.

It's entirely possible that the casing landed elsewhere - I'm drawing a blank as to it's position as found - a clean spot on the sink counter, for example - and was then knocked onto viscous or coagulating blood... so thick that the casing wouldn't roll - sort of like elbow macaroni in thick honey.

The other possibility that has been tossed about is that the blood pooled around the casing...

I don't think any of these theories matter, because it looks like there will never be a definite answer about how it landed where it did.

What DOES matter, imv, is the expert testimony of the ME. Yes, his determination had a little leeway in it, but not much - he seemed pretty confident in his finding that Travis was shot last. I don't see how he would benefit from providing a biased determination.

So in my view - since there cannot be a single answer, really, about the placement of the casing - the point is moot, and the only informed data/evidence we have about the bullet is that it was almost certainly fired into Travis when he was dead or after suffering severe, fatal blood loss (the formal cause of death, iIrc).

We can't rely on anything JA says -- and her versions of things have changed, sometimes within days, sometimes within minutes. She has proven that she is not credible or reliable and will lie to anyone. I think she alone has done more damage to her case than any other factor against her. And it's not just because she took the stand, it started years ago.

Now, I hope I made as much sense as you did! But I'm pretty sure I didn't...

 

[makayla]

If Jodi was taking shower photos she and Travis had discussed, after their sexual encounter, Jodi would not have been dressed the way she was in the final photos. She was there in the bathroom snapping away without any invitation from Travis.

I agree . . . it would seem if they had finished a sexual encounter and she is taking pictures of him in the shower that he has agreed to, that she would either still be naked or scantily dressed - it doesn't make any sense that she would be dressed in long athletic style pants and socks, especially in June in AZ! I don't think Travis knew Jodi was there until we see the surprised look on his face.

 

[LadyEdith]

So prior to June 4th, Travis was FINISHED with Jodi. Why would he even allow her near him let alone into his home at 4AM? Then they went to sleep? He actually closed his eyes with this women in his bed?...............................and

Since he referred to her scamming him in some of the texts, I wonder if she didn't say something like " hey, I'm on my way to Utah for the PPL meeting, I have your money and I'm going to swing down and drop it off in person. You're right about me apologizing, I'd like to do it face to face so there are no hard feelings."


What I want to know is, how much did she spend on her way to Utah and Yreka after murdering Travis and when she got home. We know she sent Iris's and took another road trip back to Mesa. I think Travis might have kept an emergency stash at home, and she stole that along with his journals.

 

[Sustained]

I do not believe JA knows the first thing about how casings eject from a firearm. imo Everything is about spin for her.

Arias may not know exactly, but I'd be willing to bet she shot the .25 cal sometime after the "burglary" and before getting to Mesa on 6/4/08 to see if the gun actually worked.

 

[momof7]

Since he referred to her scamming him in some of the texts, I wonder if she didn't say something like " hey, I'm on my way to Utah for the PPL meeting, I have your money and I'm going to swing down and drop it off in person. You're right about me apologizing, I'd like to do it face to face so there are no hard feelings."


What I want to know is, how much did she spend on her way to Utah and Yreka after murdering Travis and when she got home. We know she sent Iris's and took another road trip back to Mesa. I think Travis might have kept an emergency stash at home, and she stole that along with his journals.

Well, she did leave a check for 200.00 for the car payments. Wasn't it for the April and May payments? She hadn't even kept up with those 100 payments. Maybe the check wasn't even good.

For all we know, she cleaned all the cash out of his wallet before she left. Lets face it she was there for quite some time. And being single, no one probably knew how much cash he kept on his person at any given time. I don't even know how much cash my dh has on his person at any time. He is not a debit card person. Heck, he still sends checks for bills. He dislikes the internet and prefers to do his banking with a check register instead.

Kelly

 

[rose222]

I think JA called Travis and used the excuse above (LadyEdith's post) She meets him at whatever time. She lures him into having sex 'one last time' He must have felt dejected after for obvious reasons. She then asks him whether she can take shower photos. He says NO. She says ok, ok, I'll get to ready to leave, let me pack etc. He then goes to take a shower thinking she'll go off soon but he suddenly discovers her with camera in hand and a few moments later, gun and knife. Poor Travis.