jodi arias TAKES THE STAND #66 *may contain graphic and adult content*

[makayla]

I don't buy Jodi's story about Travis telling her to come and see him while she was on the road. I wouldn't be at all surprised to learn that he didn't even know she was coming, that she arrived at night/early morning under the cover of darkness and she was the one who was on his computer early in the morning. It's possible Jodi could have taken the pictures of herself with a timer, rather than Travis taking them. Travis doesn't look excited to have his pictures taken (pun intended). The only part that doesn't make sense is why would he consent to have sex with her that afternoon? Is it possible there really was no sex, just naked pictures? Would love to hear other theories as to how that time at Travis' house unfolded. How many people think Travis invited her? How many think he didn't? Did she surprise him like she had many times in the past? Did he consent or want a sexual encounter with her? It seems to me that after he had sent emails calling her a sociopath and more, that he really would not be comfortable around her anymore. The sad part is we will never know the whole story.

 

[paperwing]

If Jodi was taking shower photos she and Travis had discussed, after their sexual encounter, Jodi would not have been dressed the way she was in the final photos. She was there in the bathroom snapping away without any invitation from Travis.

You're probably right. She was likely dressed in something more appropriate for AZ in June... even in an air-conditioned house. I think she may have put the bulkier (blood-absorbing? weapon-carrying) heavier clothes just before she started taking the shower pics.

Then again - there is no way to determine how light/heavy the pant's she had on were... some jogging pants can be very light and/or have an open weave that breathes. I can't tell from that photo - maybe someone else can... I couldn't classify them as having to be the heavy, cottony 'sweatpants' material - or not.

Man, you'd think one of them would have set that new camera for the highest resolution possible. Even with the poor lighting you'd think... never mind. Don't get me started on the glossy (glossy!) crime scene photos (wouldn't digital have been easier to present on all those screens?). I can only hope that the actual photos are lighter and more detailed than the way they appear to those of us on the 'outside'.

 

[Pink Panther]

Has there ever been any discussions about TA's outgoing texts or calls on June 4th? Did he make any at all?

 

[Sustained]

After the trial, can someone please send me Arias' new address in ASDC Perryville ? I'd like to send her a thank you card for her stellar acting in this long running Broadway play ...

 

[Gypseagirl]

I don't buy Jodi's story about Travis telling her to come and see him while she was on the road. I wouldn't be at all surprised to learn that he didn't even know she was coming, that she arrived at night/early morning under the cover of darkness and she was the one who was on his computer early in the morning. It's possible Jodi could have taken the pictures of herself with a timer, rather than Travis taking them. Travis doesn't look excited to have his pictures taken (pun intended). The only part that doesn't make sense is why would he consent to have sex with her that afternoon? Is it possible there really was no sex, just naked pictures? Would love to hear other theories as to how that time at Travis' house unfolded. How many people think Travis invited her? How many think he didn't? Did she surprise him like she had many times in the past? Did he consent or want a sexual encounter with her? It seems to me that after he had sent emails calling her a sociopath and more, that he really would not be comfortable around her anymore. The sad part is we will never know the whole story.

I for one, don't think he invited her. I think she should up out of the blue. I think after she drove all that way, he was kind and let her in. I believe he was truly a good hearted person. I think she may have surprised him quite a bit especially if she entered thru the doggie door......i'm sorry that one still cracks me up.:floorlaugh:
I agree with you...I don't think we will ever know the all story. I for sure don't believe a word that comes out of JA's mouth.

 

[Linda From New York]

Here's what I think is gonna go on this week with re-direct:

I think Nurmi may "play up" that the prosecutor was "mean" to Jodi and he "scrambled her brain" and that Martinez wouldn't let her expand and ramble on in his questioning of her. And Nurmi will let her "clarify/make excuses", in looooooong ramblings, all the discrepancies in direct vs cross, things/lies Martinez caught her in.

 

[Jackson44]

Okay, I am just going to throw this out there. Assuming that the last picture of Travis is him sitting on the floor of the shower looking out the door. What if Jodi had the knife and gun hidden under a towel beside her on the floor or somewhere very close to her or even on her. She is kneeling down taking the pictures. Travis is sitting in the shower. He goes to get up which requires both of his hands to push himself up off the shower floor. It is at that moment Jodi grabs the knife and plunges it into his chest. (I missed or have forgotten if he is still able to do anything once he has been stabbed in the chest, but will continue.) He is surprised and leans over to try to still get up and she proceeds to stab him in the back and head. He tries to grab the knife and gets his hands cut. He manages to get up and get to the sink where he coughs and sprays the blood. She can get some more stab wounds in at this time. He falls to the floor and starts crawling toward the bedroom. At the door way or near it she finally slashes his throat and shoots him. Could he be on his hands and knees when she shoots him? I don't know just trying to figure it out.

 

[momof7]

I don't buy Jodi's story about Travis telling her to come and see him while she was on the road. I wouldn't be at all surprised to learn that he didn't even know she was coming, that she arrived at night/early morning under the cover of darkness and she was the one who was on his computer early in the morning. It's possible Jodi could have taken the pictures of herself with a timer, rather than Travis taking them. Travis doesn't look excited to have his pictures taken (pun intended). The only part that doesn't make sense is why would he consent to have sex with her that afternoon? Is it possible there really was no sex, just naked pictures? Would love to hear other theories as to how that time at Travis' house unfolded. How many people think Travis invited her? How many think he didn't? Did she surprise him like she had many times in the past? Did he consent or want a sexual encounter with her? It seems to me that after he had sent emails calling her a sociopath and more, that he really would not be comfortable around her anymore. The sad part is we will never know the whole story.

There is a part of me that feels like JA was telling the truth about sex calming TA when he was angry. However, I don't think it went down like that. I think it was more like if she could get him to agree to sex then he would submit to temptation and she wins. It had nothing to do with TA's anger and using sex to calm down. She gave/offered sex so that it would feed her need to be his 'girl'. Sex proved to her that he cared about her. Or wanted her. I think she was in a frenzy after those sociopath text messages. I am assuming this is the time she went in and hacked his email/myspace/facebook or something. Then again, it says she scammed him. So, whatever she did she knew it was not going to be easily forgiven.

I don't think he knew she was coming, I don't think she was asked to come. I think she showed up in the middle of the night. Honestly, I am not even sure I think he even knew she was in the house until the next morning. We have her version of things...buuuut it doesn't prove TA knew she was there until the pictures started at 1:30. She had all night to paw through his stuff and check up on him before he woke up.

Kelly

 

[Hopeful One]

Good morning my peeps! Reading while I should be watching my son's basketball game. Shhhhh....don't tell!

 

[rose222]

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Here's what I think is gonna go on this week with re-direct:

I think Nurmi may "play up" that the prosecutor was "mean" to Jodi and he "scrambled her brain" and that Martinez wouldn't let her expand and ramble on in his questioning of her. And Nurmi will let her "clarify/make excuses", in looooooong ramblings, all the discrepancies in direct vs cross, things/lies Martinez caught her in.

I wouldn't be surprised if Nurmi starts with the interview about Travis shaving. It could appear that JA is talking about another day. He'll then say that JM was dishonest and used her answers out of context. My saving grace tomorrow will be all the 'objections' from JM!

 

[Gypseagirl]

I think in closing arguments that Juan is going to be amazing and blow the defense out of the water!!!!

GO JUAN!!!!

 

[Hopeful One]

My husband just criticized us all. I was reading a few posts about other posters who go to great lengths to not miss a second of trial (carrying our iPads into the bathroom, etc.)

I said, "See? I'm not the only freak!"

He said, "I don't think it's a good thing that there are more of you out there."

Rude!

 

[Sigh Sister]

YOU make sense, Sigh Sister... the one that doesn't make sense (consistently) - is JA.

I think she may have spent so much time with the shot-came-first theory in order to get the DP off the table (but failing), she is staying with that version because it's the one she's gone over and knows best. Just a guess.

That said, I (personally) don't think the fact that the shell casing is lying in/on a pool of blood is as determinative as it seems to be at first glance.

It's entirely possible that the casing landed elsewhere - I'm drawing a blank as to it's position as found - a clean spot on the sink counter, for example - and was then knocked onto viscous or coagulating blood... so thick that the casing wouldn't roll - sort of like elbow macaroni in thick honey.

The other possibility that has been tossed about is that the blood pooled around the casing...

I don't think any of these theories matter, because it looks like there will never be a definite answer about how it landed where it did.

What DOES matter, imv, is the expert testimony of the ME. Yes, his determination had a little leeway in it, but not much - he seemed pretty confident in his finding that Travis was shot last. I don't see how he would benefit from providing a biased determination.

So in my view - since there cannot be a single answer, really, about the placement of the casing - the point is moot, and the only informed data/evidence we have about the bullet is that it was almost certainly fired into Travis when he was dead or after suffering severe, fatal blood loss (the formal cause of death, iIrc).

We can't rely on anything JA says -- and her versions of things have changed, sometimes within days, sometimes within minutes. She has proven that she is not credible or reliable and will lie to anyone. I think she alone has done more damage to her case than any other factor against her. And it's not just because she took the stand, it started years ago.

Now, I hope I made as much sense as you did! But I'm pretty sure I didn't...

You made perfect sense! And I agree the point is moot. I was just perplexed as to why she didn't use the "I was in a fog" answer and instead was adamant that the casing didn't land where the picture showed. I guess it is just another example of Jodi being Jodi. She is going to stick to her story, evidence be damned.

 

[paperwing]

Has there ever been any discussions about TA's outgoing texts or calls on June 4th? Did he make any at all?

I haven't heard of any - but sure would be interested. I believe I heard that he may have made a phone call and checked his email at some point in the afternoon before getting in the shower... but I can't back that up other than saying I think I read it here.

Travis had a conference call meeting at 6:00pm that evening, I seem to recall someone (Dave Hall?) talk about reminding him - or something.

I wish they'd just release all the texts between JA and Travis. No Sunshine Laws in AZ - at least none as lenient as in FL.

I'm curious as to why all the texts entered as evidence are solely from Travis' phone. Wonder what is or was on JA's phone (which is probably 'lost' or 'destroyed')... That would be interesting. Nothing (that I know of has come from her devices (except the 2 tumescent photos). Her computer has to be more interesting than that. Even if her drive was broken, she had gmail, etc. that can be retrieved from any machine. A warrant would get deleted stuff... wonder what if any traces she may have left on Travis' computer - if that could be determined. No, they didn't exchange passwords. She found his on the sly. (imv).

 

[LambChop]

This has probably been discussed in length, but the gate on the stairs that was up has me a little confused. If anyone can direct me to the posts discussing it would be great.

My ASSUMPTION is the gate was placed on the stairs while TA was not home so the dog stayed downstairs? Then the dog had free roam of the house? That would signal to the roommates that TA was not home and why they didn't look for him regardless of smell or anything else?

Or was the dog confined downstairs all the time, with no free roam? I seem to recall that JA mentioned Napoleon being in the bedroom at some point, but again JA said it.

I just was wondering if the gate was also a sign of premeditation. She placed the gate there to keep the dog downstairs when she came back in or went back upstairs, knowing the roommates would assume TA was not home. It sounds like, even with texts shown in court, TA would get rides with 'peeps', so his car being there didn't mean a lot to them, especially with the looming Cancun trip.

IDK, sometimes, I think too much! The whole premeditation thing has me worried..did JM do enough, illicit enough from JA to prove it? To me its the million dollar question. At this point, a confession and all the lies exposed, overkill (force with like force did not occur here) etc LWOP seems an easy result. Premeditation? We have the trip, the gas cans, the cell phone turned off in AZ...the AZ part almost being blanked out, the robbery at her grandparents. Seem logical for premeditation. But where is the 'smoking gun' as it were? The one thing that leaves no question/reasonable doubt?

Kelly

This trial is far from over unless Jodi pleads guilty to first degree murder. JM still has his rebuttal. There are the roommates who have not testified, I believe. One roommate claims to have talked to Travis that morning and Travis said he had trouble sleeping the night before. Both roommates claim there was no car in the driveway. One roommate left for work, no car. The other roommate was home between 3-4 and no car.

The gate across the stairway was unusual according to the roommates. If Jodi left and returned she put the gate across the stairway to keep the dog downstairs and out of her way.

I also don't think Travis brought in her bags. Why would he??? Jodi was just dropping by for a visit before heading out to Utah. Why did she stay so long? Pictures on the bed were taken before 2pm. Jodi said she took her things to the car around 2pm. The roommate was home 3 to 4 and no sign of them or was this the time the roommate had the talk with Travis while he was in the office.

There are a lot of open ended questions here. It appears JM knows all the correct answers. So it should get a lot more interesting in a week or so. jmo

 

[rose222]

We have redirect. Jury questions for JA. Does that come tomorrow or after Nurmi finishes?Then a couple of other defense witnesses. Then rebuttal which I think JM will keep short and sweet. Then closing statements. I hope this doesn't drag on for another month.

 

[TigerBalm]

My husband just criticized us all. I was reading a few posts about other posters who go to great lengths to not miss a second of trial (carrying our iPads into the bathroom, etc.)

I said, "See? I'm not the only freak!"

He said, "I don't think it's a good thing that there are more of you out there."

Rude!

:laughcry: Your husband is such a comedian, lol

 

[Sustained]

We have redirect. Jury questions for JA. Does that come tomorrow or after Nurmi finishes?Then a couple of other defense witnesses. Then rebuttal which I think JM will keep short and sweet. Then closing statements. I hope this doesn't drag on for another month.

Jury questions after Nurmi redirect ...

 

[Zuri]

I did not catch the part on her cross where she mouthed "I'm sorry" to Nurmi. What was she testifying about when she did that? TIA

 

[TigerBalm]

We have redirect. Jury questions for JA. Does that come tomorrow or after Nurmi finishes?Then a couple of other defense witnesses. Then rebuttal which I think JM will keep short and sweet. Then closing statements. I hope this doesn't drag on for another month.

Jurors questions come after both attorneys are done questioning the witness.