jodi arias TAKES THE STAND FOR 11TH DAY #57 *may contain graphic and adult content*

[Mrs G Norris]

They have NOT proved premeditatin which they need to do. I was just looking at the shoe in that link just posted on this page. Was that the type shoe Jodi was wearing? Has she ever worn them in any picture we have seen. to me they look like disposablt type shoes.

What happened to Jodi's camera as I am sure she brought hers into the house. She was snooping around and found travis brought a nice shiny new one. I bet she wanted it. I also bet he didn't want any photos of her or him like that on his spanky new toy. I think he was not happy with her using it and I bet those filthy pics of her was something she did when he wasn't there and put it on automatic timer. When he saw the pics she took of them on the bed, that is when he said they look like a 6 yr took them. This really got her very mad. He probably told her to delete them and she didn't till after the crime.

New cameras come with a little memory (in case u don't have a card) I imagine the pics that were on there were inbedded on the software inside the computer, very limited. At least that is how it worked with my new camera.

She took adavantage of him being in the shower. She got the gun and knife out of her bag and decided to taunt him for what he said about her camera skills. He probably thought she had left and was on the road. So he was quite surprised. When he saw her crouched outside the glass shower door, can u imagine what was going through his head.

He tried to get to the bdrm to reach his cell, I'm sure. I wonder if this is when she was stabbing his back. When he could go no further, she pulled back his head and slit his throat. I keep thinking she was using a stilleto but don't know.

Juan needs to prove premeditatin and he hasn't yet. There is no doubt she went there to confront hiim and he didn't like it. She tried to get him to calm down by pulling the ole sex routing; that didn't work either. This infuriated her and her rage was out of control.

Did the SA provide any info to the jury about JA's grandmother's gun being stolen? That would be all that is needed. I didn't see the first part of the trial. Was the burglary admitted into evidence?

Thank you .. I like reading your insights. I agree that she posed herself for the nude shot and that Travis said something about her photographic skills. I think she slips things out when she speaks that are hints at what happened .. I'm not sure if its intentional or not. Thanks for explaining borderline a so well and what jodi is up to. Interesting that you said she's crazy and trying very hard to hide it.

I'm thinking she's had the food / migraine plan on the back burner for awhile .. Wonder what other tricks she'll pull out of her hat?

 

[carnnell]

They have NOT proved premeditatin which they need to do. I was just looking at the shoe in that link just posted on this page. Was that the type shoe Jodi was wearing? Has she ever worn them in any picture we have seen. to me they look like disposablt type shoes.

What happened to Jodi's camera as I am sure she brought hers into the house. She was snooping around and found travis brought a nice shiny new one. I bet she wanted it. I also bet he didn't want any photos of her or him like that on his spanky new toy. I think he was not happy with her using it and I bet those filthy pics of her was something she did when he wasn't there and put it on automatic timer. When he saw the pics she took of them on the bed, that is when he said they look like a 6 yr took them. This really got her very mad. He probably told her to delete them and she didn't till after the crime.

New cameras come with a little memory (in case u don't have a card) I imagine the pics that were on there were inbedded on the software inside the computer, very limited. At least that is how it worked with my new camera.

She took adavantage of him being in the shower. She got the gun and knife out of her bag and decided to taunt him for what he said about her camera skills. He probably thought she had left and was on the road. So he was quite surprised. When he saw her crouched outside the glass shower door, can u imagine what was going through his head.

He tried to get to the bdrm to reach his cell, I'm sure. I wonder if this is when she was stabbing his back. When he could go no further, she pulled back his head and slit his throat. I keep thinking she was using a stilleto but don't know.

Juan needs to prove premeditatin and he hasn't yet. There is no doubt she went there to confront hiim and he didn't like it. She tried to get him to calm down by pulling the ole sex routing; that didn't work either. This infuriated her and her rage was out of control.

Did the SA provide any info to the jury about JA's grandmother's gun being stolen? That would be all that is needed. I didn't see the first part of the trial. Was the burglary admitted into evidence?

“Premeditation” means that the defendant intended to kill another human being or knew [he] [she] would kill another human being, and that after forming that intent or knowledge, reflected on the decision before killing. It is this reflection, regardless of the length of time in which it occurs, that distinguishes first - degree murder from second degree murder. An act is not done with premeditation if it is the instant effect of a sudden quarrel or heat of passion. [The time needed for reflection is not necessarily prolonged, and the space of time between the intent or knowledge to kill and the act of killing may be very short.]' Pg Pdf 71

REVISED ARIZONA JURY INSTRUCTIONS (CRIMINAL) Third Edition 2011 Cumulative Supplement

From the time Jodi left Yreka, California to the time she began killing Travis she could "reflect on her decision" before killing him. Jodi did not change her plans or mind once she started especially when she changed weapons she could have stopped. She did not. IMHO, this has proved 'beyond a reasonable doubt" the jury instruction of Arizona premeditation.

Again just MHO

http://www.azbar.org/media/292098/2011_cumulative_supplement.pdf

 

[Melly53]

Teeny. Tiny print all of a sudden. Even when I pinch open the screen doesn't help.


I can't read anymore. I must have done something. I was typing song lyrics when it happened. ( in the quote box)

Thanks!!

I had the same thing appear on one of the other threads and nothing I did would change it.

 

[katydid23]

I, too, noticed the growing number of legal experts who're critical of JM, including one I really admire: Mark Geragos. IIRC, he called JM a "clown."

I cannot imagine JA getting off lightly, no matter what. But I do think JM can inadvertently factor in getting the DP defeated.

I imagine JM thought it a smart ploy to get so personal with JA yesterday, but he went too long, too far. I'm, of course, talking about their infamous "Who's On First" mind-bending exchange.

I'm sure he's was trying to make "the other Jodi" come out, so the jury could see her head spin around like "The Exorcist." But it didn't work, and in fact, may have backfired.

In some peoples' eyes, the only person acting possessed in court yesterday was JM. He kind of stole the show, made it all about HIM (not Jodi, not Travis). At some point, this could work in Jodi's favor.

I usually really like Eiglarsh, but I think he is WRONG in this case. I heard him complaining about JM, and explaining exactly what he thinks he should be doing. And I think he is mistaken.

He says JM should just line up clips of her lying to Flores, and then ask her the question, then play each lie, in order, and show how much she lied about the murder so far. Short and sweet/ In and Out. WRONG, imo.

The jury will hear her excuses for all of those lies. She is saying that "obviously I made up all of that stuff, but NOW I am telling the truth; he was a pedophile and abusive and I shot him in self defense. "

That ^^^ is what he has to disprove===her NEW lies. Not those old tired lies from years ago. Nobody cares about those anymore. JMO

And that is what he is busy dismantling right now. He is attacking her false accusations of his abuse and his pedophilia. And that is hard to do because you can't prove a negative with a negative.

But he is going down in the trenches with her, and showing who she really is. The jury needs to see that she made up all of that chit.

 

[krkrjx]

Lunch wasn't the problem. She didn't like the questions. I am sure that somebody would have brought her food, is she requested. They are sent a sack lunch when away from the jail. She either forgot it or didn't want it when she left. That won't happen again...you can sure of that.

I think they should have recessed a given her something from the cafeteria...any attorney would have put up the money. She is a scam.

I was reading some of Travis's blogs and he really was a special person. How dare her take his life away from the earth.

Whisp...from what is showing on the Maricopa Co. Sheriff's website, there is no bag lunch sent with inmates who go out for court. They get fed at 4 AM and then have to be back by 6 PM to get their evening meal. I suppose if they miss the evening meal they can consume snacks previously purchased from commissary, but I do not really know about that. ALso on the website it says only sheriff's personnel can give an inmate food--and a local attorney is claiming it is illegal for the attorney to provide their client with food. That seems a bit out there to me, so I am not totally buying that. But if it is true, then the sheriff needs to see to it that the inmate has access to food at lunch time, given they must eat their brunch at 4 AM.

 

[Sigh Sister]

I had the same thing appear on one of the other threads and nothing I did would change it.

That happens when someone posts an image that it too big. It blows the margins.

 

[Whisperer]

BBM

It's not a shoe, IMO. Turn the picture upside down. I can see what appears to be Travis' thigh/ knee area with blood running down it. The upper part of what I think is one of his thighs is covered in blood and there is blood running down the leg toward the knee area. If it's not his thigh, it definitely some other part of his body.

We must have two dif. pics..Lol

Here's mine:
http://s1291.beta.photobucket.com/u...g.html?&_suid=1361966808772020159384729817192

there's a slide show under the pic. They have a very good pic of jodis pants and foot. There is a shoe beneath the pic showing the type they think is in the pic. You can also see the jogging pant leg that she described on the stand. This is the best, clearest pic Ive seen of that image.

 

[Sigh Sister]

We must have two dif. pics..Lol

Here's mine:
http://s1291.beta.photobucket.com/u...g.html?&_suid=1361966808772020159384729817192

there's a slide show under the pic. They have a very good pic of jodis pants and foot. There is a shoe beneath the pic showing the type they think is in the pic. You can also see the jogging pant leg that she described on the stand.

Sorry! I was talking about a different picture.

This is the one I was referring to:

http://s1309.beta.photobucket.com/u...ng.html?&_suid=136196753153104039870083797723

(that's what I get for butting into someone else's conversation . Ha!

 

[krkrjx]

I usually really like Eiglarsh, but I think he is WRONG in this case. I heard him complaining about JM, and explaining exactly what he thinks he should be doing. And I think he is mistaken.

He says JM should just line up clips of her lying to Flores, and then ask her the question, then play each lie, in order, and show how much she lied about the murder so far. Short and sweet/ In and Out. WRONG, imo.

The jury will hear her excuses for all of those lies. She is saying that "obviously I made up all of that stuff, but NOW I am telling the truth; he was a pedophile and abusive and I shot him in self defense. "

That ^^^ is what he has to disprove===her NEW lies. Not those old tired lies from years ago. Nobody cares about those anymore. JMO

And that is what he is busy dismantling right now. He is attacking her false accusations of his abuse and his pedophilia. And that is hard to do because you can't prove a negative with a negative.

But he is going down in the trenches with her, and showing who she really is. The jury needs to see that she made up all of that chit.

I agree, because JM is trying to do more than merely disprove her lies. He is showing the jury that she does not back down when cornered, and that she is confrontational and aggressive.

 

[Whisperer]

Whisp...from what is showing on the Maricopa Co. Sheriff's website, there is no bag lunch sent with inmates who go out for court. They get fed at 4 AM and then have to be back by 6 PM to get their evening meal. I suppose if they miss the evening meal they can consume snacks previously purchased from commissary, but I do not really know about that. ALso on the website it says only sheriff's personnel can give an inmate food--and a local attorney is claiming it is illegal for the attorney to provide their client with food. That seems a bit out there to me, so I am not totally buying that. But if it is true, then the sheriff needs to see to it that the inmate has access to food at lunch time, given they must eat their brunch at 4 AM.

That's crazy. When I worked the system, inmates were given their lunch at breakfast. It is a brown bag and it is the only meal that is not appealling. Usually a mystery meat sandwich, fruit and punch. It seems odd that they wouldn't let her take it with her to court. yeah, you are right about custody providing the meal...forgot about that.

They have to prepare the inmate who goes to court early. Staff likes to get them there real early just in case they run into problems like vehicle break down etc. They cover all areas. Unless AZ wants problems, I see no reason why she didn't get her lunch when she ate her breakfast. That's how it's done in CA. To tell you the truth though, I never knew an inmate who ate that lunch. They save the fruit for pruno and will drink the punch but will throw the sandwich away. AZ must have a different way of doing things, but somehow I find that difficult to believe.

So what has she been eating all these weeks?

 

[katydid23]

I agree, because JM is trying to do more than merely disprove her lies. He is showing the jury that she does not back down when cornered, and that she is confrontational and aggressive.

Exactly. If he just proves that she lies, then the 'battered' victim expert will come in and pull a 'caseyanthony' on us. They will say she lies because she was victimized and is damaged.

He needs to focus on Jodi being the bully and the abusive partner, and not Travis.

And he can't just prove that she is a liar---he also has to show what it is she is lying about NOW. He has to prove she is lying about those abuse accusations and the pedophilia and the physical assaults.

 

[vallie]

Isn't Hinkley the one that shot Reagan? Wasn't Iris the name of the hooker in played by Jodi Foster? is she using MOVIES ( taxi driver ) to embellish her details in her "memories"

 

[audreyparker]

“Premeditation” means that the defendant intended to kill another human being or knew [he] [she] would kill another human being, and that after forming that intent or knowledge, reflected on the decision before killing. It is this reflection, regardless of the length of time in which it occurs, that distinguishes first - degree murder from second degree murder. An act is not done with premeditation if it is the instant effect of a sudden quarrel or heat of passion. [The time needed for reflection is not necessarily prolonged, and the space of time between the intent or knowledge to kill and the act of killing may be very short.]' Pg Pdf 71

REVISED ARIZONA JURY INSTRUCTIONS (CRIMINAL) Third Edition 2011 Cumulative Supplement

From the time Jodi left Yreka, California to the time she began killing Travis she could "reflect on her decision" before killing him. Jodi did not change her plans or mind once she started especially when she changed weapons she could have stopped. She did not. IMHO, this has proved 'beyond a reasonable doubt" the jury instruction of Arizona premeditation.

Again just MHO

http://www.azbar.org/media/292098/2011_cumulative_supplement.pdf

I agree. He showed "where" she got the gun (from that coincidental "break in" at her grandparents-yeah right), that she borrowed gas cans so she wouldn't have to stop for gas (and maybe be videoed or remembered at the gas station) and that her appearance changed (changing her hair color so people may not realize it was her). Plus, she had to drive several hours to get to his house and could have decided to turn around or go somewhere else at any time!

Also, the fact that she used two weapons-she didn't have to use the second one - she had time to stop. She had 27 chances to stop after each time she stabbed him, yet she chose to stab him again, and again and again, and then-she slit his throat. The sheer number and types of wounds work against her.

And last, according to her own story, she could have run out of the house when Travis supposedly "attacked her". She was supposedly quick enough to get away and to the closet - why didn't she just leave? He was naked and defenseless. Instead she ran for the gun, moved a stool, climbed up on the stool and got the gun down from a high shelf and then - she went back in the bathroom! Why would she go back to confront him if she was terrified for her life? If he was that pi$$ed, he would have been right behind her and she would have shot him in his closet, where the gun was. Her own story shows she was the aggressor and the person with a gun.

:twocents:

 

[Melly53]

RE premeditation: IMO, if JA had not killed Travis that day, she would have done it another day. I believe she wanted to go with him to Cancun and went there on June 4 to see if she could persuade him to take her. Not sure if she knew when she went there if Mimi had been invited, but if she did she thought she could make TA change his mind about taking Mimi. If she didn't know about Mimi going, I believe he told her that day. And with that she realized he was really moving on and nothing she could do would change that. So she did what she was fully prepared to do if things didn't go her way: She killed.

All JMO.

I think it was her intent to kill him from the moment she left Yreka. The text messages that he sent her on 5/28 I think it was, showed that he had finally figured her out and was going to cut all contact with her. She obviously did something or said something to someone that she should not have said about him. IMO she totally crossed a line that TA was not going to forgive her for.

If you listened to the first part of the sex tape, she talks about him coming to see her in Calif. At first he says she is at the top of his list but then later on says that he is planning to go to Seattle and then on to British Columbia, because it is just too much to try and do everything in one trip. When she mentions the Cancun trip he does not even give her a response at all about it. Seemed to me the more she pushed for his itinery the more evasive he became about it with her.

 

[rose222]

“Premeditation” means that the defendant intended to kill another human being or knew [he] [she] would kill another human being, and that after forming that intent or knowledge, reflected on the decision before killing. It is this reflection, regardless of the length of time in which it occurs, that distinguishes first - degree murder from second degree murder. An act is not done with premeditation if it is the instant effect of a sudden quarrel or heat of passion. [The time needed for reflection is not necessarily prolonged, and the space of time between the intent or knowledge to kill and the act of killing may be very short.]' Pg Pdf 71

REVISED ARIZONA JURY INSTRUCTIONS (CRIMINAL) Third Edition 2011 Cumulative Supplement

From the time Jodi left Yreka, California to the time she began killing Travis she could "reflect on her decision" before killing him. Jodi did not change her plans or mind once she started especially when she changed weapons she could have stopped. She did not. IMHO, this has proved 'beyond a reasonable doubt" the jury instruction of Arizona premeditation.

Again just MHO

http://www.azbar.org/media/292098/2011_cumulative_supplement.pdf

Hope JM makes this clear to the jury.

 

[BD1]

Isn't it part and parcel of borderline behavior to insist people are abusing you will nilly, even when they are not? Instead of taking responsibility, EVEN ON THE STAND TESTIFYING FOR HER LIFE, Juan is able to show that JA *really* thinks it is everyone else's fault that she can't remember, that she lies, that her brain scrambles, and ultimately that she will kill.

I think he is brilliant.

 

[vallie]

quoting my own post it gets even better

Isn't Hinkley the one that shot Reagan? Wasn't Iris the name of the hooker in played by Jodi Foster? is she using MOVIES ( taxi driver ) to embellish her details in her "memories"

in taxi driver, wasn't the name of Deniro's character TRAVIS?

 

[Dmacky]

Thank goodness they're starting 15 minutes early.

That's really going to move things along.... :banghead:

Now what I want to know is 10:15 a DROP DEAD starting time today?

 

[kaki]

I think it was her intent to kill him from the moment she left Yreka. The text messages that he sent her on 5/28 I think it was, showed that he had finally figured her out and was going to cut all contact with her. She obviously did something or said something to someone that she should not have said about him. IMO she totally crossed a line that TA was not going to forgive her for.

If you listened to the first part of the sex tape, she talks about him coming to see her in Calif. At first he says she is at the top of his list but then later on says that he is planning to go to Seattle and then on to British Columbia, because it is just too much to try and do everything in one trip. When she mentions the Cancun trip he does not even give her a response at all about it. Seemed to me the more she pushed for his itinery the more evasive he became about it with her.

I was wondering if Travis was really ever planning to go see her as he said on the sex tape... Was he just saying that to keep her content? She was spouting off all the things they would do in CA ..and he kind of didnt respond.

 

[carnnell]

I think it was her intent to kill him from the moment she left Yreka. The text messages that he sent her on 5/28 I think it was, showed that he had finally figured her out and was going to cut all contact with her. She obviously did something or said something to someone that she should not have said about him. IMO she totally crossed a line that TA was not going to forgive her for.

If you listened to the first part of the sex tape, she talks about him coming to see her in Calif. At first he says she is at the top of his list but then later on says that he is planning to go to Seattle and then on to British Columbia, because it is just too much to try and do everything in one trip. When she mentions the Cancun trip he does not even give her a response at all about it. Seemed to me the more she pushed for his itinery the more evasive he became about it with her.

I noticed that too. She brought up Cancun a couple of times in the audio "sex tape" and Travis did not respond to her. It became obvious to me (at least) that she wanted to know what was going on with Cancun AND to see if he would ask her to go. He just ignored that subject completely!! I thought to myself "Uh oh she isn't going to take this response well." The end result was very bad.

I am not buying (especially after hearing the tapes) that she wasn't bothered by not being asked to go to Cancun. MHO