jodi arias TAKES THE STAND FOR 14TH DAY #68*may contain graphic and adult content*

[NotMyselfNEMore]

I went back about 20 minutes on my dvr - did JM just say that there was someone else's writing in Jodi's journal?
Who has someone else make notes in their own journal? If they're saying it was Travis, he sure can't dispute - it could be anyone, and have been written at anytime.

How does the judge let this in? If she's permitted to testify about hearsay, because it calls to her 'state of mind, not the truth of the matter' - she can literally testify anything.
Now that she knows what the prosecution will introduce, the evidence can 'comport' dispute it - just as her story changed with the forensics, as she heard them from the detective.
I don't think it's a mistake that she said the shot came first, as that was what Flores believed.

 

[grammieto5]

No, she is just overcompensating because she doesn't want to be reversed on appeal.

Sounds like the same reasons given for JP letting JB be in charge of the FCA trrial. Hope this jury has more common sense than that jury.

 

[popsicle]

It would be one thing if JA was normal...then perhaps you would have a leg to stand on that Travis was using her... HOWEVER, JA is not normal and she used sex to control Travis and obtain the things she wanted. IMO There is no way he could have used her within this relationship!

 

[BeachGirlFromPA]

Circumstantial evidence is everything that isn't a confession or an eye witness to the murder. That includes blood, hair, fiber, fingerprints, footprints, DNA, etc.

And here we have direct evidence to the murder (confession finally and photographic evidence) in addition to a mountain of circumstantial evidence.

Premeditation has already been proven. In the mere seconds that JA claims to have "gone back into the closet instead of running out the other door, to get the gun she remembered"...in that time alone, she made a decision and the decision was to get and use that gun. her story is fictitious as anyone can see, but even in Her fictional tale she still "premeditated" the murder.

Juan will pound this home to the jury during his closing.

She's toast.

Fantastic response, thank you. My fear is that one juror who doesn't think she intended to kill him with the gun, only scare him or stop him from hurting or killing her. It was not matched force: hands/gun, and I did love JM's point that if she wasn't looking back at TA how did she know he wasn't going to hug her and apologize.
I really try to keep my emotions out of it and just focus on the facts. But there are things the jury doesn't know also, and that is a worry too.

 

[Nali87]

She scares me. Once I saw the photos and especially the one of him, deceased, in the shower, when he was found, I became afraid. And I don't scare easily. If she ever gets out, I want her microchipped and tracked on a website "Where In The World Is JA?". No joke. If she's within 500 miles of me, I want to know.

!!!

And the fact that she lies so easily - so cold blooded,
Evil, just pure evil.

 

[kscornfed]

I went back about 20 minutes on my dvr - did JM just say that there was someone else's writing in Jodi's journal?
Who has someone else make notes in their own journal? If they're saying it was Travis, he sure can't dispute - it could be anyone, and have been written at anytime.

How does the judge let this in? If she's permitted to testify about hearsay, because it calls to her 'state of mind, not the truth of the matter' - she can literally testify anything.
Now that she knows what the prosecution will introduce, the evidence can 'comport' dispute it - just as her story changed with the forensics, as she heard them from the detective.
I don't think it's a mistake that she said the shot came first, as that was what Flores believed.

it sounded to me like nurmi wrote and highlighted on it.

 

[Gypsy Road]

A person who has been abused must let go of anger towards themselves and others or they cannot heal properly.

She did lie. She admits it. She killed him. She admits it.

It IS emotions that are ruling the majority of posters here. Look at the terrible attacks that are being spoken? Logic would never allow that to happen.

Let me tell you. I was terribly abused. I was angry. I was angry for A LONG TIME. I stumbled into some abusive relationships throughout my young life. And still, never once, did I want to harm another human being.

She admits she killed him not because she wants to finally come clean and be honest. She admits to killing him because she knows the forensics show she was there and she can't dispute that anymore. She left a bloody hand print on the wall, and a bloody hair at the scene. And there were pictures. She can't continue to lie about it because it's all there. This is the ONLY reason she is admitting that she killed him. So what does she have left? She can't say it was Ninja's now or that someone else killed Travis so all she's got is a A self defense defense!!!

Do you 100% believe her at this point? If so? Why? What has she done that makes you sure she killed him self defense?

 

[FrayedKnot]

Um, yeah. I volunteer several times a week this side of the pond helping real abuse victims because I was one. And when I came out of abuse I had to attempt to prove it to the court. Because my abuse was largely emotional, and I very closely fit the pattern of most abuse victims in 'protecting' my abuser, that was a very difficult feat.

For months now I have made specific points about why I discount Jodi's claims of abuse and it certainly is NOT because I'm lacking compassion. My compassion is kinda what laid me vulnerable to a psychopath in the first place.

As such I have a reasonable understanding of how abuse works. And what would cause abuse NOT to work. Like living 1000 miles apart from the person abusing you. Or having no children with your abuser. Or living with other people. Or your abuser encouraging you to date other people. Or hundreds of accounts by acquaintances, co-workers, friends and family of Travis that discount Jodi's tale she only dreamed up in 2010? Because before that she was stating what everyone else who knew Travis was - he was a generous, funny, sweet man who truly cared about other people.

So maybe instead of us failing to display compassion it should be recognized that many, many survivors of abuse have spoken out on this board. It can be painful, traumatic, and humiliating to relive or recount some of what we've been brave enough to share....

But we've done so in hopes that people can see the similarities between our abuse and the very likely abuse of Travis - the victim of an intimate partner homicide.

BK,

I know your story and so appreciate what you do to help other people who have been victimized.

But in all fairness, I don't think ANYONE can stand outside another person's life and judge whether or not that person is "worthy" of being considered a victim.

What if another woman, whose abuse consisted of horrendous physical beatings, poo-poohed your experience because they felt that your grief and pain did not mirror theirs, and as such, does not qualify as "real" abuse?

I am only trying to be fair and sensitive here. And I think Shefner made some valid points TO WHICH SHE IS ENTITLED. I commend ANYONE who works with abuse victims/survivors. One volunteer's work shouldn't be lauded above another's.

JMO. :seeya:

 

[Nezumi]

By the way Shefner, you do realize she is claiming self defense and not crime of passion- right?

Self defense combined with a pre-emptive strike at the "reasonable" force standard by adding abused woman syndrome. That's why Nurmi is hammering so hard on the sexcapades. His only hope is to convince the jury to apply a 'less than reasonable' standard to Jodi Arias' self defense claim.

 

[carnnell]

But unfortunately we will. The Andrea Sniderman case is coming up, and she's another whack=a=doodle.

MOO

Mel

She is a highly educated older version of Jodi/Casey wrapped into one.

 

[mikeysmommom]

The reason I have no compassion for her is because I have known people like her. My step father is married to someone like her and her daughter is like her mother and these people scare me. Everyone who has wronged them is an abuser, even though we know it isn't true. They ALWAYS have some sad sap story to create sympathy but after a while you realize it is all bull. The lies upon lies upon lies are not the work of a battered woman, but a sick, sociopathic woman. They suck the life out of those around them then take no responsibility for it. The more I hear the more I realize Travis was the abused one in all this. His friends say he is the one who changed when he met her and not for the better. She sucked the life out of him and then snuffed it just because she thought she could. I mean, he made her angry, right? There is no evidence that he abused her but plenty that she did him, culminating in his death. I am sick of people asking to have compassion for her. Look at the pictures of what she did to him and tell me to feel sorry for her and hate him one more damn time.

My sons ex is one also! I was sucked in by her lies in the beginning.OMG The lies with her always as a victim.They do just suck the life out of you and love doing it!My poor grandson has to take her emotional abuse,and her bf's abuse.My son has been attacked with a baby in his arms and it was on video tape! Police refused to even view it!Family court would not view it!They really do not do anything for men who are abused.Sadly Travis was abused and he still is being abused by this witch!

 

[G&AMom]

So, let me see....because I disagree with some of your thoughts about the case, I am now being welcomed to leave and go elsewhere?

Awhile back, I posted my thought that Jodi did not go to Travis' house with the sole intent to kill him, that she was giving him one last chance, and that killing him was Plan B. A lot of people here disagreed with me and at least one person has somewhat convinced me that I am wrong. We both laid out our thoughts and I took absolutely no offense to anything anybody said.

All I am getting from you is that because you have known victims of domestic abuse, have perhaps been one yourself, that you are cutting JA some slack. You can certainly do that, but I think you are looking through a particular filter that, in my opinion and the opinion of many here, is unwarranted. Not everybody who claims abuse has suffered from it.

I would like to know, though, how much of the trial you have actually watched. My sense is not much. That would make a big difference in how I view your arguments.

 

[Truth Detector]

How do you know its a lie?

I agree this was a crime of passion...and I suppose it could have been self-defense. It is very difficult to prove and if Jodi had said that from day one, we wouldn't be here.

I am surprised that many of the women who have been hurt by men do not have more compassion for Arias. Not compassion for the murder but for more understanding about abuse and how it works.

I do not see the fear that I expected. That could be for any number of reasons. First, that she has not fear because she is lying...and that makes sense because she has lied a lot. Or...it could be because she is on medication. Or it could be because the threat is gone. I don't know...and I don't presume to have the answers.

I will step away now....carry on.

BBM

You don't agree with me that it was a crime of passion, because I believe nothing of the sort.

This was a meticulously planned, pre-meditated torture-murder, not some quick, she suddenly snapped or he came after her, she shot him once and called 911 for help.

This diabolical scheme was planned and executed by Jodi Ann Arias.

"How do I know it's a lie?"

I consider the lying source, and the fact that she fabricated it to engender sympathy.

To believe otherwise is to discount her layers upon layers of hundreds if not thousands of pre-meditated and on-the-fly prevarications.

The benefit of my doubt goes to the torture-murdered deceased, for I have no doubts about the lying liar who is Jodi Arias.

If you believe that even a few of the stabs and slashes were justified, where do you draw your line?

Do you agree with Jodi that TA deserved wounds number one through thirty, or does your line stop short of the slashed throat?

 

[MistyM]

Who keeps pages torn out of a journal more than 5 years ago? What a crock!

i know!!! and then for it to conveniently turn up over the weekend just in time for her rehabilitation....

if anyone believes what's going on they are gullible. no offense to anyone here who believes it.

 

[hindsight2020]

I find her bright....

What does it mean, she's bright, intelligent, blah, blah, blah? It serves of no purpose as she lacks common sense and some.

 

[shefner]

If the jury convicts her and sentences the b!@+ch to death, is that bashing?

No its not. Its rendering a sentence, which is the jury's legal duty. But they will not call her the name that you just said.

 

[newsjunkie]

A person who has been abused must let go of anger towards themselves and others or they cannot heal properly.

She did lie. She admits it. She killed him. She admits it.

It IS emotions that are ruling the majority of posters here. Look at the terrible attacks that are being spoken? Logic would never allow that to happen.

I have never been in an abusive relationship. My heart does go out to all here who have. Emotions don't rule my thoughts in this case. The facts do.

You say you hate yourself for allowing someone to use you. I'm sorry you have to bear those feelings. Did you murder your user? Did you publicly accuse him of every horrid thing you could possibly think of? Things that would OBVIOUSLY not be true?

I can see why perhaps you relate to Jodi, if you actually believe the things she accuses him of. From where I sit, they had a mutual, consensual thing going on. He kept trying to detach himself, and that ultimately led to his death.

 

[Sustained]

She is actually very bright....

So was Ted Bundy ...

 

[ohreally]

she had obsession. rather than killing herself she killked poor travis.

I think this journal entry will backfire on the defense big time. Just wait for JM.
Correct me if I am wrong, but wasn't this at the time she moved to Mesa and moved real close to Travis? She probably was very upset that she moved to Mesa and thought Travis would just say "Sure, let's become 'official' again." The dark place Jodi was in, was of her own making.
JM wil make sure the jury understands whose fault is was that she was feeling this way, and it sure wasn't Travis'.

 

[Nali87]

Fantastic response, thank you. My fear is that one juror who doesn't think she intended to kill him with the gun, only scare him or stop him from hurting or killing her. It was not matched force: hands/gun, and I did love JM's point that if she wasn't looking back at TA how did she know he wasn't going to hug her and apologize.
I really try to keep my emotions out of it and just focus on the facts. But there are things the jury doesn't know also, and that is a worry too.

I think when you take into account:
The fake burglary to get the gun
The renting of a white car
The coloring of the hair
It all points to premeditation though.




I have a question: can a couple of jurors go for for premeditated murder and a couple with felony murder? Can 6 go for PM and 6 for FM with end result being = guilty of murder in the first degree?