jodi arias TAKES THE STAND FOR 14TH DAY #69*may contain graphic and adult content*

[paperwing]

I don't see/read everything, obviously, but I have YET to hear or read anything from a DV survivor (including those who are now advocates/experts) who believes JA in any way, shape or form.

Every single one (including some of our own WSers!) are absolutely furious about what she's doing to true victims.

Has anyone heard a DV survivor say anything different? I'd be very surprised.

I think this unanimous protest is telling...

 

[gemvt]

Throughout this trial I have felt moments of empathy for Jodi because unfortunately, she reminds me of me when I was in my 20s. I had no self-esteem and wasted lots of time on guys who didn't love me, doing things I may not have wanted to do because I was desperate for them to want to be with me. I had a Dear Diary mentality and really, emotionally, was like a teenager in many respects. I recognize her behaviors with Travis - if I just do this, he'll realize he needs me, loves me. Fortunately I eventually learned to accept myself and to stop caring what other people think of me (much...I'm still human!)

However, at some point Jodi went over the abyss of reality with her obsession. Was Travis culpable to some extent? Absolutely. Once he started suspecting her of stealing his journals, crawling through the doggy door, slashing his tires, etc., that should have been it. He should have gotten a restraining order instead of continuing a sexual relationship with her.

Having said that, he surely didn't deserve to be murdered for his poor judgement. And I do think this is premeditated murder. If Jodi couldn't have him, no one could. I don't wish her dead, because I don't agree with the death penalty, but I look forward to a life sentence without possibility of parole.

 

[perfectvirgo]

Originally Posted by fred
I have been searching everywhere trying to find officer friedman's testimony on youtubem to see what he testified about regarding the burglary of Jodi's grandparent's house. I can't find it anywhere and finally decided to register on ws just so I could ask all of you. Can anyone direct me to a link? Thanks!

Can't find any video on YouTube of the first witness on day 6 but here's wenwe4's record of his testimony. HTH

Originally posted by wenwe4
Kevin Friedman - Yreka PD - re: breakin @ JA Gma & Gpa's house . . . photos of where handgun had been - what had been in the room 5/28/08.

#323-#326 admitted . . .

(JA and her Atty wearing basic beige)

A dresser that had been changed into some sort of gun cabinet . . . 3 guns in 3 cases in the bottom portion - standing upright.

#325 area (upper shelf) above gun cases. . . . case did not appear to have a lock - had a piece of string - may have been tied shut . . . could shut it and it would stay fairly closed.

#324 - top of cabinet the guns were in - with sticker "Sonny Allen" name . . .large amount of quarters sitting on top of dresser/gun cabinet.

One item reported stolen from living room and one from gun cabinet.

About 3:40 pm when officer arrived @ this residence. He got call approx 10 min prior to his arrival. Another officer showed up and a resident of the home showed up @ 4:00 - that person was JA -

KF talked to JA about missing items . . . she checked her room/living area in the residence and discovered money missing. A $20 and $10 bills were missing from a dresser or bedstand in the room. . . . open drawers but nothing else missing . . her laptop wasnot stolen - it was in underclothes in clothing basket. She normally kept her laptop in there to "keep it safe so it would not be stolen".

Pictures #337 - 340 admitted

JA stated she left @1pm and officer arrived @ 3:40 pm . . .

#337 - dresser the money was allegedly on top of ($30 total) grey(green) round laundry basket is where she put her laptop under clothing. . . he didn't see computer come out of basket.

#338 - dresser (built in?) in her room with 1 drawer (4th down) was open a few inches . . .

#340 - another dresser in the bedroom - nightstand - 3 drawers open

File cabinet w/top drawer open.

The main bedroom on far east side of residence (different from JA's bedroom) . ..
#331 - long dresser in master bedroom - reported a stereo used to be next to the TV - pic admitted

4 rooms - 4 items taken . . . KF has responded to 50-60 burgleries in his career . . . strange the "change" (quarters) were not taken and only 1 gun from the gun cabinet - while others were left there.

Cross . . .

Rash of Burgleries in Yreka area at that time . . . small town - a "rash" could be 2 or 3 in a row . . . home/residential burgleries.

Call on 5/28 - Allen home - mud carried inside . . . doesn't recall much - on back patio - wet mud outside the door and directly inside (first couple of feet) . . . scuff marks - appear to be footprints.

Garbage bag full of aluminum cans - worth money . . . don't know the going rate for aluminum per Pound in Yreka @that time.

no lock on gun cabinet - i don't recall if latch to put a padlock on . . .didn't recall any cut locks or forced entry into the cabinet. Anyone living in that home could open it and gain access to the contents without disturbing or breaking cabinet.

Prosecutor -
A "rash" of burgleries . . . 2 or 3

Any connected or like the one on Pine Street?
No . . . they were not . . . .forced entry into the residence but everything of value that a person could get @ the time was taken . . . 4 or 5 guns - all the guns were taken in that one.

the guns in the cabinet were just standing they were not bolted down (@ JA's GP'rent house).

1 question from jury - counsel approach.

State call next witness

 

[shefner]

The Psychology behind defending a murderer is so multi layered. The inability for a person to accept that someone is capable of doing an evil frightening thing, sticking a blade into a person 29 times, standing over them, grabbing them by the back of the hair when they are seconds from death anyway, and reaching down and with great force, putting the blade in one side of the throat and dragging it along while holding his head to just about decapitate him, then taking your semi-automatic and raising it and cocking the trigger, and firing a shot into his head when in all likelihood he was laying there dead, is puzzling to most.

There will always be the few that believe everything they hear, especially from a woman saying a man was mean to her. This points more to their own personal issues which have brought them to a point of having poor judgement. There are also those that gravitate to the dangerous. They visit killers proclaiming their innocence after they carried out mass murders on video, they are driven to support the accused especially in heinous crimes because they get a feeling of power getting close to dangerous people.

Then thankfully there are the majority, that can listen carefully and logic and instinct bring them all to the same conclusion. Going through life, if you find you have people that want to get into your own inner circle and they are the "go toward danger" type, I always say, move them away, keep them at a distance because they will put you in danger also.

So you are saying that because I do not believe like the majority, then I am not logical?

This is the first time, in a very long time, that I have felt there was some truth to what the defendant is saying....especially considering her previous lies.

 

[Love Never Fails]

Shefner,
I read your reply to me on the last thread. I think Minor 4th has some great insights in his post to you. Whether you were used by a man or a woman is not the issue here. The issue is that you seem to feel we have no compassion for Jodi and I again ask you where was and where IS her compassion for Travis? Self defense is not slaughtering someone. And where is your compassion for a human being that has been slaughtered?

 

[beeshie]

To this day, Jodi admits Travis was a great person...and that she loves him.

This sounds like an abuse victim.

But I need some expert information....

Or it could be that there was no abuse, he really was a great person, and that's why she loved him.

 

[BritsKate]

To this day, Jodi admits Travis was a great person...and that she loves him.

This sounds like an abuse victim.

But I need some expert information....

See, to me that sounds like an abuse victim during the breakdown of the abusive relationship - while still going through the stages of emotional recovery and gradual process of realization.

Not that of an abuse survivor years later when their abuser is no longer playing an active role in their life.

Of course it could also be the psychopathic refrain of a defendant who is seeking to appear as a victim to garner sympathy with a jury too.

JMO

 

[Nali87]

To this day, Jodi admits Travis was a great person...and that she loves him.

This sounds like an abuse victim.

But I need some expert information....

Or a really really good liar.

I think 4 years gives a person a lot of time to research certain things. Exchange information with other inmates and stuff like that. To me, there hasn't been any proof that Jodi was abused by Travis.

 

[Allyne Smithe]

She paid CASH for the gas can at Walmart and kept the receipt! :what:

 

[Schuby]

She intended to pull out a $20 word with which to impress jurors.

She had best pray they don't look it up as it is loosely synonymous -- especially within the context that she used it -- with rape.

rav·ish

Verb

Seize and carry off (someone) by force.

(of a man) Force (a woman or girl) to have sexual intercourse against her will.

Synonyms
violate - enrapture - abduct - enchant - bewitch

More info - Dictionary.com - Answers.com - Merriam-Webster - The Free Dictionary



So, she wanted to be "ravished", huh?

Sounds like, once again, she was taking the sexual lead, egging him on in matters violently sexual.

That is my point, I was impressed with the precision with which she parsed those two words/ideas.

 

[shefner]

Throughout this trial I have felt moments of empathy for Jodi because unfortunately, she reminds me of me when I was in my 20s. I had no self-esteem and wasted lots of time on guys who didn't love me, doing things I may not have wanted to do because I was desperate for them to want to be with me. I had a Dear Diary mentality and really, emotionally, was like a teenager in many respects. I recognize her behaviors with Travis - if I just do this, he'll realize he needs me, loves me. Fortunately I eventually learned to accept myself and to stop caring what other people think of me (much...I'm still human!)

However, at some point Jodi went over the abyss of reality with her obsession. Was Travis culpable to some extent? Absolutely. Once he started suspecting her of stealing his journals, crawling through the doggy door, slashing his tires, etc., that should have been it. He should have gotten a restraining order instead of continuing a sexual relationship with her.

Having said that, he surely didn't deserve to be murdered for his poor judgement. And I do think this is premeditated murder. If Jodi couldn't have him, no one could. I don't wish her dead, because I don't agree with the death penalty, but I look forward to a life sentence without possibility of parole.

Your way of thinking and relating your thoughts resonates with me. Thanks for sharing.

 

[hindsight2020]

She intended to pull out a $20 word with which to impress jurors.

She had best pray they don't look it up as it is loosely synonymous -- especially within the context that she used it -- with rape.

rav·ish

Verb

Seize and carry off (someone) by force.

(of a man) Force (a woman or girl) to have sexual intercourse against her will.

Synonyms
violate - enrapture - abduct - enchant - bewitch

More info - Dictionary.com - Answers.com - Merriam-Webster - The Free Dictionary



So, she wanted to be "ravished", huh?

Sounds like, once again, she was taking the sexual lead, egging him on in matters violently sexual.

JA hasn't been studying the thesaurus carefully, she chose the wrong word (Ravish), there is a inference of rape in her own words.

 

[norest4thewicked]

The Psychology behind defending a murderer is so multi layered. The inability for a person to accept that someone is capable of doing an evil frightening thing, sticking a blade into a person 29 times, standing over them, grabbing them by the back of the hair when they are seconds from death anyway, and reaching down and with great force, putting the blade in one side of the throat and dragging it along while holding his head to just about decapitate him, then taking your semi-automatic and raising it and cocking the trigger, and firing a shot into his head when in all likelihood he was laying there dead, is puzzling to most.

There will always be the few that believe everything they hear, especially from a woman saying a man was mean to her. This points more to their own personal issues which have brought them to a point of having poor judgement. There are also those that gravitate to the dangerous. They visit killers proclaiming their innocence after they carried out mass murders on video, they are driven to support the accused especially in heinous crimes because they get a feeling of power getting close to dangerous people.

Then thankfully there are the majority, that can listen carefully and logic and instinct bring them all to the same conclusion. Going through life, if you find you have people that want to get into your own inner circle and they are the "go toward danger" type, I always say, move them away, keep them at a distance because they will put you in danger also.

Very well said! And you hit right on the money! I've myself worked with crazies as well as the abused, and I'm thankful that I am able to discern and accept the fact that there is evil in this world. Pure evil.

 

[Turnadot]

I have watched it and it does make me pause, Pink Potion. Her demeanor is very disturbing throughout.

My mother and I have both been interested crime for many years. She is in her 60's and I am in my 40's. We both feel the same. Very uncanny.

I find Arias more likable than I thought I would. If I look at this case without anything but what I have seen in the court, I have no doubt that I could not agree to the death penalty.

She offered to plead to 2nd degree for life in prison. Prosecution declined. Not sure that was wise. But heck, what do I know?

Thanks for your kind interest in what I have to say though...even if we disagree about things. I find your respect refreshing...as I am sure other quiet posters who agree with me appreciate also.

I'm not surprised. IMO Jodi is a sociopath and they are quite good at coming across as likable. Heck, even Ted Bundy was likable. Apparently even AFTER people knew what Bundy did, they'd interview him on death row and describe him as likeable.

 

[Steely Dan]

Been following this trial but only recently hopped back on here. I have a question regarding the injured left ring finger. She claims Travis kicked her and broke it. HOWEVER, during her interrogation with the investigator, she clearly showed him a scar from a CUT! Has this been addressed. If there is a scar, then she was cut with something. A "kick" causing a broken finger would not leave a cut! Can a doctor not examine that finger and determine if there was a cut and scar left behind???? Would love some thoughts on this.

I'd think the prosecution would have thought of that and decided to leave it out for brevity. They probably feel the picture of before and after were enough.

I missed the PM part of the trial, but I just saw on JVM that in the transcript of the phone call Travis says, something to the effect of, "Sometimes when I leave I feel like I've raped you." To me that's a man who doesn't want his girlfriend to feel like she's been raped, and is asking if she really wants to do the things they're doing or does she feel forced. It sounds, to me, like he doesn't want her doing anything she doesn't want to do. JMO

 

[NIN]

Quote from NewsJunkie: "I thought the Judge said the captioning would not go to the jury. The sound clip, however, I believe will. It was given an exhibit number."

Not 100% sure about AZ, but I assume it is the same as in AL. All documents and items referred to in a trial get an exhibit number so that the record, or transcript, is clear on what was being referred to during the trial. This is so the defense can reference items on appeal that, for instance, they wanted admitted into evidence but were not. Not all exhibits are admitted as evidence. And only evidence goes back into the jury room at close of case.

 

[Linda7NJ]

Throughout this trial I have felt moments of empathy for Jodi because unfortunately, she reminds me of me when I was in my 20s. I had no self-esteem and wasted lots of time on guys who didn't love me, doing things I may not have wanted to do because I was desperate for them to want to be with me. I had a Dear Diary mentality and really, emotionally, was like a teenager in many respects. I recognize her behaviors with Travis - if I just do this, he'll realize he needs me, loves me. Fortunately I eventually learned to accept myself and to stop caring what other people think of me (much...I'm still human!)

However, at some point Jodi went over the abyss of reality with her obsession. Was Travis culpable to some extent? Absolutely. Once he started suspecting her of stealing his journals, crawling through the doggy door, slashing his tires, etc., that should have been it. He should have gotten a restraining order instead of continuing a sexual relationship with her.

Having said that, he surely didn't deserve to be murdered for his poor judgement. And I do think this is premeditated murder. If Jodi couldn't have him, no one could. I don't wish her dead, because I don't agree with the death penalty, but I look forward to a life sentence without possibility of parole.

Fear not! You were nothing like Jodi! She has no shortage of self esteem, she has an over abundance....narcissism to the tenth! It was a narcissistic injury to her psychopathic self that poor Travis had to be, not just murdered, ....slaughtered.

 

[DeAnnaMisrahi]

To this day, Jodi admits Travis was a great person...and that she loves him.

This sounds like an abuse victim.

But I need some expert information....

You don't think that she realizes she has to present as an abuse victim on the stand? If she is saying that he was abusive, but she stayed because she loved him, she has to come across that way. So, of course, after she killed him she was singing his praises because she had to pretend she had nothing to do with it. After "self defense," she had to pretend as if she loved him but she had no choice but to kill him. She doesn't have to be very smart to realize that she still has to act as if she loved him if she wants people to believe her.

 

[norest4thewicked]

To this day, Jodi admits Travis was a great person...and that she loves him.

This sounds like an abuse victim.

But I need some expert information....

To me, it sounds like a sociopath saying what she has to say to keep her out of the death chamber. Again, it's the words. The words sound like an abuse victim, but that is because she has learned and practiced what she has to say to sound like an abuse victim. I'm not buying it.

 

[newsjunkie]

I don't see/read everything, obviously, but I have YET to hear or read anything from a DV survivor (including those who are now advocates/experts) who believes JA in any way, shape or form.

Every single one (including some of our own WSers!) are absolutely furious about what she's doing to true victims.

Has anyone heard a DV survivor say anything different? I'd be very surprised.

I think this unanimous protest is telling...

We all know someone who is/was a DV survivor. . .OR we have seen, read, or heard about one. We all know what things to say or not say to sound like a DV survivor.

Jodi Arias is a liar. Nothing she says can be taken as truth. Even if 1 in every 25 things she says is true. How do you know which of those things is the true thing.

Unless she can produce someone else that will testify that they saw or knew she was abused, a police report, or hospital records. . .I refuse to believe she was abused. Cause you know she LIES.

It is self serving to say he was abusive. It just isn't believable.