jodi arias TAKES THE STAND FOR 14TH DAY #69*may contain graphic and adult content*

[Turnadot]

I like how the sex tape is clear that Jodi is the director of the conversation, always bringing it back to sex, even telling him when he can get off. Yet I still read people saying Travis used Jodi for sex. IMO it what the other way about. She liked it kinky and tried to draw him in and he played along at the start because he liked her. Then she showed that she was crazy; Travis made some wrong choices. He did so because IMO he didn't realise just how dangerous Jodi was, and as a result, he became a victim of domestic homicide.

 

[kscornfed]

She said they were taken on May 31/08. And according to her (I didn't see) they were time stamped.

Can anyone tell me if TA's computer HD was analysed by forensics and if so, why wasn't this brought up to show he did not search for child on his computer as Jodi claims he was looking at and masturbating to a picture of a young boy. I'm not saying TA was into that "stuff" but why not prove it by his HD. I think this would help the prosecution immensely if there was no child found. The other thing is, "if" TA was into that carp, don't you think detectives would have found said pictures in his house? Jodi is so full of ***** and her team is only digger her a deeper hole for her to crawl out of IMHO from their questioning today.

Nothing of that nature was found on his computer.

 

[Linda7NJ]

I realize that a restraining order may not have done any good. However, Jodi was clearly in love with Travis. She had convinced herself that he was her destiny, and that they were meant to be together. Travis having phone sex with her and telling her how sexy she is, sending her texts like the one where he was in a club and it made him realize how beautiful she is, leaving comments on her MySpace such as "I wonder how much you raise the hotness level of Yreka all by yourself, factoring in its per capita hot stats before you came, I am sure it has raised exponentially."...Jodi saw all this as evidence that she still had a hold on him and mistakenly extrapolated that to mean that he would eventually realize he loved her too. Meanwhile, Travis was not interested in Jodi romantically whatsoever, in fact I think he harbored some resentment and ill feelings towards her. But she still cast a powerful sexual spell on him.

Of course, it's easy for me to say this now with hindsight. When you are in the middle of situations such as this, it is very difficult to see the big picture. Travis probably thought Jodi was a hindrance to him being a good Mormon and joked about her killing him, but I highly doubt that he believed her capable of the violence of June 4, 2008.

It's not clear to me she loved him.

 

[Callisto]

I'll answer if you promise not to throw things. :truce:

I don't find her particularly likeable, but I do feel sorry for her. She obviously has terrible self esteem. She desperately wanted Travis to want her. To the point that she was willing to let him ONLY have anal sex with her. The girl had ZERO self respect. She had no friends or family that were willing to step in and say that wasn't ok, and that it meant he just wasn't that into her.

(As an aside, anal sex is fine as part of a mature, consensual relationship, but in my opinion it should be part of a larger, more complete sex life -- including vaginal sex. Jodi didn't want to be wanted just for anal sex and oral sex. She wanted to be LOVED. She wanted romantic sex, not just sex-sex. If that makes any sense.)

Now granted, that was 100% her own fault -- she willingly participated. In my 20s, I would have too. Now that I am 40 (yikes!), if a man was only interested in anal sex and having me perform oral sex -- I'd tell him to hit the road. But I had the opportunity to learn how to be strong and have some dignity and voice what I want in a relationship. Jodi was born ****ed up. She never had a chance. And because of that -- I do feel a little empathy for her.

That said, I still totally want her to get the death penalty, because she clearly premeditated the crime and Travis did not in any way deserve what he so brutally got.

Just to note, TA gave her generous amounts of oral sex and also in one scenario, lined the bathroom hall (yknow the one his throat was slit in) with "hurricane candles" and rose petals and had his big bathtub full of water and bubbles for a romantic sexual rendezvous with JA. IMO it was a give and take sexual relationship.
ETA: Oh yeah and there was romantic music playing during that bathtub sexual encounter.
All per JA testimony.. (IIRC)

 

[MeeBee]

Why wasn't the strange email to Lisa allowed in?

 

[JaimeInLA]

She would do anything for 'love'...

Wait just a minute!

Is THAT the thing Meatloaf wouldn't do for love?!

Murder?!

 

[Mrs G Norris]

I can't stand her...she's in the same heap I tossed Dr Drew

I agree she is probably trying to plug her book about toxic men or whatever she calls it .. I nearly shot back an 'at least I can spell' when I let her have it this morning on another post she has since taken down. Have another glass of kool aid and calm down Dr Glass.

 

[G&AMom]

I asked a question earlier today, and cannot find it. You guys move fast. Why did her original attorney withdraw from this case? Couldn't stand JA?, knew was lying or none of the above?

The docs say that the original public defender had a conflict of interest because she had represented someone else involved in this case. It didn't say who that was. Nurmi, then working for the PD office was appointed as her attorney. Then Jodi asked to represent herself. Nurmi was appointed as her adviser. Then she asked for an attorney again. At that point, Nurmi had left the PD's office to start his own practice and asked to be released. The judge denied his request, and appointed Jennifer Wilmott as second counsel to Nurmi.

That's my understanding of what happened anyway.

 

[RadarLuv]

Don't you hate that. Sorry. Maybe you can shred it for tacos or something and it won't be so obviously bad.

I also made a roast in the slow cooker with a can of cream of mushroom and a jar of simmer sauce, a lot of garlic. yummmyyyyy. I just wish I had not forgotten to put potatoes in there.

 

[KaraKitty]

Hey!! She was SINGLE!

After all wasn't Ryan her Hotti Boscotti …:banghead:

 

[KarmicLaw]

(Respectfully snipped)

I appreciate your honesty... it takes a bit of courage sometimes.

What I dispute, in part, concerns Travis' culpability - was it risky/unwise/foolish for Travis to have continued (allegedly) a relationship with JA after all you mention above? Yeah, probably - if he really did maintain the relationship... All we have is the phone sex recording, that I know of, that alludes to their being on friendly terms in the last months of his life. We have numerous scathing texts from Travis to JA that make it abundantly clear he was onto her - and done with her on an romantic-ish level.

Was he still talking to her by phone? Seems so. She was getting into his life by offering to do things for him, buying his car, etc. I assume Travis had no experience with a dangerous psychopath before, otherwise his antennae may have been up and on guard. Sadly, he was a trusting, somewhat naive, imv, young man.

That's where my sense of Travis' culpability ends. With naivete.

I don't believe for a second that anything he might have done would have changed the results. Sadly, men are not likely to seek help or intervention over things like this for fear of being labeled as a wimp or weak, even by themselves. They are also less likely to be taken seriously...

What is so scary is that ROs and such are so often useless and can in fact escalate the problem (and the danger).

So, no, I don't think Travis is culpable for not doing what any one of us thinks he ought to have done. I believe JA was so deeply obsessed she was *beyond* the point of no return.

I don't believe Travis was lily-white, honest and proper in all things... I do think he was normal. It's just unusual when someone's private life is made SO public, with such personal detail - so without thinking sometimes (not saying you!) people make judgments on things that are falsely magnified, and that's tragic, in my view.

I agree that JA acted with stealthy premeditation and is guilty and should face the consequences - which are severe.

I will not comment on my views on the DP - as this is an important issue to me and for today, I'm just gonna keep mum.

Excellant post!! I was having an internal struggle over the death penalty as I have always been against it, in part, because I know that many innocent people have been executed. Many of them werepoor and/or wrongly convicted men of color. I also know how much it costs in endless appeals when the inmate is rarely ever executed anyway, so what is the point? It will never bring the victims back and it makes me feel like i am just as vengeful and as much a killer. But there is something especially sadistic and evil with Jodi Arias that my deepest conviction is being challenged. I was fortunate to have lots of work to accomplish today so that I didn't have to watch or hear the testimony, but the continued butchering of TA's character is pushing me over the edge. At this point, I think the evidence is overwhelming for 1st degree- DP. Thank gawd I am about to work out because I need to let off steam.

 

[shefner]

Did you see the photographs of Travis's body and the crime scene?

Yes, many times. That is why I said that the post-mortem photos make it appear that it was a crime of passion.

 

[Nali87]

I realize that a restraining order may not have done any good. However, Jodi was clearly in love with Travis. She had convinced herself that he was her destiny, and that they were meant to be together. Travis having phone sex with her and telling her how sexy she is, sending her texts like the one where he was in a club and it made him realize how beautiful she is, leaving comments on her MySpace such as "I wonder how much you raise the hotness level of Yreka all by yourself, factoring in its per capita hot stats before you came, I am sure it has raised exponentially."...Jodi saw all this as evidence that she still had a hold on him and mistakenly extrapolated that to mean that he would eventually realize he loved her too. Meanwhile, Travis was not interested in Jodi romantically whatsoever, in fact I think he harbored some resentment and ill feelings towards her. But she still cast a powerful sexual spell on him.

Of course, it's easy for me to say this now with hindsight. When you are in the middle of situations such as this, it is very difficult to see the big picture. Travis probably thought Jodi was a hindrance to him being a good Mormon and joked about her killing him, but I highly doubt that he believed her capable of the violence of June 4, 2008.

He just sounds like a player to me. :floorlaugh:

And Jodi said she knew he was dating around, talking to other girls. I would've taken his compliments with a grain of salt. And since Jodi is no wallflower and has had previous intimate relationships, I assume she knew that men love to "spit game". (Urban term lol; Often includes compliments and other forms of flattery that will hopefully end in a phone number which leads to a date, which leads to sex.)

I don't really believe she thought she had a hold on him. I think she was going crazy with jealousy because she was realizing she actually DIDN'T have a hold in him.

I agree with the rest of your post.

 

[Pink Potion]

Sounds like her own brother is saying she is guilty! I feel bad for him!! Jodi doesnt seem to feel bad for putting her family thru all this!!

 

[katydid23]

I do worry about the possibility of one juror being a holdout. Maybe one of them will be sympathetic and believe her BS. :cry:

 

[Steely Dan]

I may have bought the self defense, if he had been stabbed once or shot once. The way she butchered him, to me shows pure rage and anger.

Yep, I agree.

Is there any record anywhere of her saying "I'm sorry."?

Not to my knowledge.

 

[JaimeInLA]

You are assuming that anything that Jodi claims is TRUE. We have more than enough definitive evidence that she is a PATHOLOGICAL LIAR. She lies and lies and lies and lies.

Therefore, we can't believe anything that comes out of her mouth--especially information that mitigates her slaying of Travis.

People with personality disorders CAN'T be "loved" enough--nothing is enough. It is exhausting. My mom is Borderline PD & I don't even have contact with her since I had children since she is like dealing with a toddler.

Invading someone's personal space--thier HOME, journals, phones, emails, etc. is not someone lacking "love"--it is a sick person who is so selfish and malignant that they think they can control another human being. They are toxic and very scary.

You were typing your post about your mom just as I was typing mine about my mom. I feel ya. I haven't spoken to my mother in 3 years because she sucks the life out of me. And she tells everyone that she can what a terrible daughter I am -- because obviously this could never be her fault. Ugh.

Anyway, I am just saying that we see it because we have LIVED it. But if there is someone on the jury who hasn't -- it scares me a little.

 

[Whisperer]

I hope JM is good at explaineing "Reasonable Doubt" because I will tell you that many people don't get the concept. They will confuse it with "Beyond the shadow of a doubt". That is exactly what happened in Tampa.

Many people think if they sprout a doubt that's it's reasonable....many times it is not. It is often unreasonable. They don't understand that term and will continue to think, "if I have a doubt I have to acquit." It is my belief that most acquitals come down to this type of tihinking.

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[RadarLuv]

Dr Glass now saying Travis wanted to RAPE Jodi on FB ... Sorry did someone mishear the recording? I think I've been disabled from making comments or everybody has or nobody has commented .. But COME ON!!!! Very glad she's not on the jury. Guess it shows that people may hear it that way however and have sympathy for JA.

link? and how is this Dr relevant?

 

[G&AMom]

Why wasn't the strange email to Lisa allowed in?

No proof that Jodi wrote it. No proof that Jodi slashed the tires when Travis was with Lisa either.