jodi arias TAKES THE STAND FOR 14TH DAY #69*may contain graphic and adult content*

[EGirl]

Yes, many times. That is why I said that the post-mortem photos make it appear that it was a crime of passion.

Crime of passion happens in the heat of the moment. IMO, this was a crime of RAGE that had simmered in JA from the moment she found out he was taking Mimi to Cancun

She, once again went to 'confront' the issue. She was going to sexually manipulate TA and convince him not to take Mimi. When that didn't happen she MURDERED him. In cold blood. With the weapon she brought for just that purpose.

JMO

 

[sassy_texasbelle2]

I do worry about the possibility of one juror being a holdout. Maybe one of them will be sympathetic and believe her BS. :cry:

Then we will get to watch all over again in a few years. A hold out does not bother me at all. JM is not going to let her get away with this. He will try her again.

 

[Bada Bing]

The guest caller on Nancy said Jodi's brother has posted a poem about Jodi on his facebook. Something about an immoral woman......
Wish I could read it but I'm not friends with little Joseph Arias.

 

[Prime Mover]

So you have watched the trial every day and you can agree that Jodi's life was in danger from a wet, naked man?

Interesting. I'm curious--do you really agree with all these points, or do you just enjoy holding and arguing a contrary opinion?

Further, a man who body-slammed her on a tile floor so that she was winded and hurt her head, was in such a rage that he let her jump right up and get away........Her whole story is so ridiculous that her whole defense falls apart right here by itself. I don't even need to hear about past abuse, etc.

 

[shefner]

I hope JM is good at explaineing "Reasonable Doubt" because I will tell you that many people don't get the concept. They will confuse it with "Beyond the shadow of a doubt". That is exactly what happened in Tampa.

Many people think if they sprout a doubt that's it's reasonable....many times it is not. It is often unreasonable. They don't understand that term and will continue to think, "if I have a doubt I have to acquit." It is my belief that most acquitals come down to this type of tihinking.

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I get it. I have been on juries before.

 

[BritsKate]

I totally agree, except I think that Travis DID care for her in the beginning of their relationship. He did many nice things for her and if he was just using her for sex, I don't think he would have been as caring. I think down the road into their relationship he realized that she was not marriage material, and finally saw that she was crazy and a bit of a stalker, and his feelings about her really changed. However, he was not able to turn off his sexual feelings toward her so he kept sleeping with her. It does appear that for a time they were both sexually obsessed with one another. I think in the end he was really trying hard to let go and get away from her, but before that process could be complete - she murdered him.

There has not been one shred of believable evidence that Travis was ever physically abusive to her. Not one. We only have her word. Yeah, sure...he did not speak to her kindly and was down right mean to her at times...but this was no excuse for her to feel threatened physically. I bet she said some unkind things to him as well, but funny - she never taped those conversations. I think she killed him in a premeditated jealous rage because she realized he was letting go of her. The upcoming trip to Cancun with another woman put her over the edge.

Also, she can say he was a nice guy all she wants, but not once has she seemed remorseful for killing him. Her testimony did not ring true to me for many reasons, but one that stands out is this - I feel like a real victim of violent abuse would be saying something like "I'm sorry I killed him, but I was in fear for my life!" I don't believe we have ever heard her say she was sorry or that she was remorseful for his murder. Instead she is up on that stand day in and day out speaking out both sides of her mouth - trashing him mostly. I chose not to believe her. Nothing about her or what she says rings true.

Eight and a half days until she testified she feared him - despite Nurmi's numerous prompts for days on end.

Fear is something you live with constantly in an abusive relationship. You are always walking on eggshells, measuring your comments, attempting to control the uncontrollable, not knowing what will set the abuser off next. Fear is something even survivors who live far away from their abusers still struggle through...

Eight and a half days.

 

[Pruddennce]

I do worry about the possibility of one juror being a holdout. Maybe one of them will be sympathetic and believe her BS. :cry:

when they get instructions on self-defense, all of this fantastic sexual fodder, actually very sophomoric relationship, will disappear....at least it should....

this is a self-defense case. not a who gives and takes or takes and gives in a sexual relationship.....

she took a road trip...she planned it....

after the state crossed her on the THEATRICAL and CARNIVAL LIKE movements that supposedly occurred prior to her shooting him FIRST (ahem), it fell apart for her...

the forensics do not match self-defense, the injuries, the defensive wounds, as well as time-stamped photos of a man meeting his demise....minutes....the crime scene does not match JA's account of what went down....its impossible....

the only thing that went down was a person....Travis.

they are supposed to deliberate on the day in question and what the evidence showed in the bathroom, the closet, the open space, the hallway, etc.

basically, JA was able to run away if one were to believe this fable....and that is part of the self-defense charge.....she incapacitated him regardless of which story is believed...the bottom line is: one shot, one stab, one throat slice and she could have easily left the scene..

this is what the jurors need to focus on...THE LAW as it applies to the evidence...and that evidence does not include oral sex, anal sex, fantasies...only what happened in that room, that day....

IMO

 

[thefragile7393]

Both of those sex tapes are going to the jury...minus the transcribed words....per the Judge.

Oh brother. Here's one tape edited...here is one tape in full. Jury, which do you prefer?

I'd be insulted...if I was on that jury.

 

[Madeleine74]

There's no evidence (beyond what the lying defendant says) that she was ever "abused" by Travis. There is no corroborating evidence. No one ever saw anything, heard anything, heard about anything. No witness has taken the stand who backs up any of JA's stories. JA is simply not credible and is a known pathological liar.

Show me evidence of any abuse by TA. And I'm not talking being "used" because they were both in it. I'm talking about abuse--a pattern of abuse.

Then show me that her life was truly in danger on 6/4/08. The burden of proof is on her for that. Where's the proof?

The only evidence I see is one dead man, 29 stab wounds, a near-decapitation, and a shot to the head. Where's the evidence that was done in self defense and her life was in danger and she used reasonable force (which is the law, btw)?

There is no evidence that supports her story. There is no legal basis for her killing TA. Being "used" is not a legal defense.

Her life was not in danger; she was not abused.

 

[isa]

This is ALMOST word for word what Carr said:

She's coming up with her own stories right now. There's a thing in the Mormon church that's called blood atonement and when someone sins the Mormons come in there and basically sacrifice them. The Mormons basically believe that this is their way to wash away their sins. I honestly think ?*****? Jodi's own safety. There's proof on the internet, there's proof of what these Mormons do. Jodi is protecting herself and her family. They will go after her family. Her second story is true.

 

[chakti]

Oh good. Now we get Nancy and she's in AZ. Sigh.

She makes me NUTS. I can only pray she's not wearing the hair barrette.

Did you hear her great guest ? Brian Carr ? He told story number 4. It was a blood atonment by the Mormons and she is lieing to protect her family. Good stuff huh ?????

 

[smeck]

I have watched every day, yes, Hatfield. I might have missed an hour here or there but followed up at night online and on television.

I respect your opinion...I really do.

I think she lied to cover up what she did. And then she had to keep it up...after all, who would believe her anyway?

Perhaps she is a cold-blooded killer. The post-mortem photos certainly appear to make her that way.

But...what if she is right? What if? And I admit, its almost impossible to prove a negative.

I am just saying....hate me, if you must...if I was a juror, I could not dish out the death penalty. And I believe in it.

Great post--thank you but my question is..."what if she is right about what"
????? That she slaughtered him in self defense????

 

[StephanieHartPI]

Brian Carr on nancy grace
Says she's going with her second story because they may come after her family ! The ninja story !???
Something about Mormons and blood atonement he claims she could not have dragged Travis !!
This guy makes me ill
Attention seeker! Another one of Jodi's puppets.

ok, who want's to tell him? He has no choice but to go with her 3rd story, self defense He is either with her or against her...

So he is saying she is lying about Travis and it was a home invasion and she will sacrifice her life for the family that beat her with kitchen utensils? (i keep in mind he speaks on tv, I have no idea if he ever really talks to her)

 

[marciec]

What you said! Beyond her blunders, I just find JA pretentious and tiresome beyond belief. Listening to her testify is like watching paint dry; I'd much rather read the recaps HERE.

JA's biggest problem (above and beyond being a sociopath, sadist and cold-blooded killer) is she truly believes she is the smartest person in the room. And how stupid is that?

She's going to blab her way right into death row, or - at the very least - LWOP. :jail:

Couldn't agree more!! She comes off as a know-it-all who sees herself as far more gifted & brilliant than most can appreciate. During her direct w/ Nurmi, she talked to the jury as if they were hanging on her every word! All while going on & ONNNN with mind-numbingly BORING, insignificant minutia..it was unbelievable to watch her finally have a captive audience ~ heaven for her, I'm sure. I can't imagine how tortured some of the older male jurors must feel having to listen to her talk about herself! Just my opinion, but I think a victim of DV would have crumbled and become compliant in the face of someone aggressive like Juan Martinez - but is that what she did?? Nope! She got her back up, and became a defiant & sarcastic foe, taking him on and refusing to back down! But now she's in front of Mr. How-does-that-make-u-feel Nurmi and she's back to fragile helpless victim? I don't think anyone's buying that act...I'm sure not.

 

[Turnadot]

I don't get the hatred for JC on this board. I think she's a good analyst. JMO

IMO, it's because she always sides with the defense in all the trials she covers. No matter how absurd it is, or how illogical a leap, she'll usually agree. She's obviously playing a role, so I don't think she's a good analyst at all, because she's not really being honest; she's doing what she's paid to do, which is to stir up ratings. As a result I'm indifferent to her opinions. I think the same about legal analysts who side with the prosecution.

However, I don't think she's stupid at all. If I met her on the street, I'd probably run up and ask her what she really thinks.

 

[Allyne Smithe]

Just thinking about the extraordinary volume of words exchanged between Jodi and Travis--896 pages worth, 25 to 30 texts/emails per page, totaling roughly 22,000-26,000 texts and emails--I was wondering if anyone thought Jodi might have had some final words to Travis as she held the gun on him in the shower (if she did), as she was directing him how to pose, or if she was content to let her actions do the talking.

Thoughts anyone?

 

[Linda7NJ]

Oh brother. Here's one tape edited...here is one tape in full. Jury, which do you prefer?

I'd be insulted...if I was on that jury.

You and me both...

 

[TigerBalm]

I know same here! He needs to be gagged

He needs a 5250 hold

 

[nursebeeme]

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[Linda7NJ]

"Sometimes it hurt if it got in my eyes!" OMG!

Shot in the eye by a wild pop rock!