Jodi Arias Trial discussion, #2

[lonetraveler]

I have officially changed my original opinion that the gun shot wound was first since finding out that it passed through the brain and than he could not have lifted his arms to defend himself. I now agree with the ME's statement.

 

[JSR]

No chick his back was TO her. People don't reach around to someone's back to stab them. Nice try though. No she did the cowardly thing and stabbed him when his back was towards her.

 

[Melanie]

Not name calling - but she reminds me of a Morticia type charachter. Dark and cunning who's trying to look meek and small. It bothers me that she keeps wiping her nose - that's not crying (anyone knows that). When I cry, the tears come from my eyes, not my nose. She can hide behind that hair until the cows come home, but the Jury has to be seeing through all of this behaviour.

Just my opinion.

Mel

 

[Curious Me]

Her attorney is providing actual stabbing motions in her questioning which only helps to visualize the crime more.

 

[wenwe4]

Cross Exam of ME by Defense Atty

Trajectory of bullet - coming in from right hand side heading left - it may have been deflected by the bone - cheek may not have been trajectory originally

Scalp wounds do bleed. Head wound just above the forehead in a living person would bleed alot. If the wound happened at the time TA was living - we would have seen a lot of blood. Depending on when he was cut and how much blood loss from other wounds.

In abstract sense without all of the blood loss -

Had TA been alive would there been blood in his mouth? Not in the oral cavity lodged in the cheekbone connected by the sinus.

Not knowing the distance from the muzzle of the gun to TA - stippling or soot deposits on the skin.

Stippling on the end of the gun on person shot will be burned by dust coming out of the gun. Up to a yard away a few feet away - depending on the gun. Must get the gun and test fire it. burn marks? abrasions - there may be burns but it is gun poweder imbedded into skin. Water from shower could wash out some of the powder but it wouldn't was out burn marks. I didn't see any stippling on his skin. Can't determine a range. I don't think it is contact wound as those usually leave star shaped tear, I don't see soot, stippling or star shaped wound. It could mean some object between the face and gun ie: object or towel between. Likely not up against the face when fired

Upper back - cluster of 9 stab wounds on upper back - grouping in between his shoulders -they are shallow wounds.

#193 in evidence - picture of wounds grouping on back shoulders - center group - three toward right shoulder. Group in center are actually straight on - appear to be . . . equal amt of tissue on the side. the directionality the way they are oriented - the wound is not vertical but diagnal. In terms of trajectory look like center of back - more straight on from back to front.

Group on the right look like they are coming from right to left and into the back trajectory. (a little bit) from his right shoulder heading toward his middle. Wounds are shallow. Less force applied? Depends on force applied - thse were on bone - didn't break into bone in the spine.

Wound penetrates into and perforates the vena cava was much deeper - yes. and it went thru cartlidge - more force than just going thru soft tissue or fat. No chipping of the bone on the back stab wounds.

(Jodi still using the same pristine kleenex)

Reaching over the back would have less force than someone standing behind? generally agree with that. Wound to vena cava - basically lower right chest. That one would eventually be fatal without med attention - due to blood loss. Able to tell trajectory? yes pretty much straight into chest cavity from right side of chest . . . isn't it upper? if it is itis very slight because of where the heart is.

Doesn't it have an undetermined lower edge so it will be slightly upper . . . not undetermined but undermined. . . . decomposed person characteristics are not exact.

It does have a slightly upper trend . . .can happen if person is slightly taller than victim? in a general way that is true.

 

[Leilei]

OT: He just doesn't look like a "medical examiner" to me. I guess I have stereotyped them.

He sure does walk the walk and talk the talk, though :rocker:

OT: Your name always makes me smile My kitty is Noodle-Boodles.

 

[lonetraveler]

what????? she reached around to stab him in the back???? are you nuts???? who does that????

Yep, she would have to have arms the length of Michael Jordan's.

 

[Grammy Jean]

I am not sure why the defense would even want to cross examine this witness. It just keeps all those wounds in front of the jury longer.

 

[CUCKOOHEAD]

i am confused? what is the defense atty trying to do??

If the female defense attorney went to the Jose Baez school of lying, fudging and creating other sorts of confusion and misdirection I'd give her an A+.

 

[Melanie]

What exactly is the male defense attorney's role in this trial?

He crossed examined a witness yesterday. I think both are sharing the witnesses IMHO.

 

[popsicle]

OT: He just doesn't look like a "medical examiner" to me. I guess I have stereotyped them.

Hey, ME's can be hotties too! lol

 

[Linda7NJ]

He sure does walk the walk and talk the talk, though :rocker:

OT: Your name always makes me smile My kitty is Noodle-Boodles.

Lol good one!


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[nursebeeme]

she is calling Travis, "the person"

nice

 

[GobBluth]

The ME is uber-handsome. Just an observation in all of this horror.

 

[LotusPawprint]

What exactly is the male defense attorney's role in this trial?

I think he's doing armchair yoga. Today he's working on legs.

 

[Grammy Jean]

what????? she reached around to stab him in the back???? are you nuts???? who does that????

but this attorney is sure no Linda B.

 

[wenwe4]

Vena cava is essentially straight in with a slightly upper trajectory.

DA asks to approach ME. . . . haven't seen this photo prior to today? Can you see his head, shoulder and what appears to be an arm , and could be a foot? could be.

Assume that pic is of Mr. Alexander = #162 admitted and published.
ars to be a head - arm, shouder - foot in thedistant part (off to the right) person lying down - if this is tile - that would be him laying on his back. Blood on his right shoulder. Arm looks like it is flexed up. Head is also up? I don't know what this blue object is in the foreground? Does this appear to be a foot and pantleg? could be . . . shoulder is off the ground? I think so. Once the wound to the neck - having his head up would be impossible? He would have afew seconds - it is not beyond realm of reality. Picking up head or moving arm is quite possible. Wouldn't you expect to see more blood? That looks like a lot of blood - can't see what is below him don't know how much blood is here - from this picture. Blood on right shoulder, large area of blood and appears t obe dripping. Gunshot wound was to his right side.

 

[JSR]

she is calling Travis, "the person"

nice

just like Casey's attorney called Caylee "the child".

 

[popsicle]

Is she serious, all that blood from a gsw...we are to believe that?

 

[Linda7NJ]

Wow as far as defense attorneys... She seems really lame to me.


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