Jodi Arias Trial Watchers Thread #1

[mrsu]

I have seen one photo where the body was blurred out but it looked like the photo was taken showing Travis's body slumped with his back against the left side of the shower and his legs towards the right. If that is correct then the bullet wound entering his right temple makes sense. She was towering over him, shot down and the bullet entered thru the right temple and because she is shooting at an angle (being outside the shower) the bullet continues in that direction and (If I remember right) ends up lodged in his left cheek area.

Am I allowed to post the photo here?? I think that is incorrect.

 

[Isabelle]

Based on the first photo below from: https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?...99242818.95565.160510210691796&type=3&theater

The second photo (accidentally snapped during the struggle) from www.hlntv.com appears to be taken right outside of the shower. You can see the angled wall, white door frame, the open glass shower door. And I believe the ceiling light is the one right above the shower.

I think the last photo of Travis sitting in the shower was taken thru the glass shower door.

In the first pic, I can't tell if that is a shoulder/arm or thigh bent at the hip/knee??

 

[Isabelle]

I'm sure his friend Taylor Searle will tesify at the trial because Travis called him and told him that he just sent her a nasty email.

Here what his friend wrote...

There were several other similar incidents leading up to about a week prior to his death, when Travis caught Jodi hacking into his Facebook account, according to the police report. By this point, Travis had had enough and told her he wanted her out of his life.

“They had a chat where he tore her apart,” Searle says. “He called me the next morning and read to me what he said to her. I said, ‘Aren’t you afraid she’s going to hurt you?”

A week later, Travis Alexander was dead.
Read more

http://www.timespublications.com/aug10-feature1.asp

Wonder how many times the roommate, Zachary Billings, had been in and out of the home while Travis' dead body was in the shower? I hope his presence doesn't let JA off the hook.

 

[mrsu]

Okay....since the other image was posted above.......

****WARNING....Travis's body in the shower.****

 

[popsicle]

OMG, what a mess.

Where did you find that picture ?

http://mydeathspace.com/vb/showthre...ed-her-ex-boyfriend-Travis-Alexander-to-death

 

[Sulamith]

What does a lazy eye have to do with this trail/crime? Nothing. But for me looking at her photos and mug shot it would explain why I feel she isn't looking right at the camera. My youngest daughter had a lazy eye and most of her photos before she had surgery have a slightly unfocused look. If Jodi doe not have anything wrong with her eyes then IMO it still looks like she is not totally focused on her picture being taken and perhaps something in her head or her surroundings is more important and has her attention.

You are wrong to judge me as someone who is poking fun at someone for their appearance or lack of wealth. I believe when I see JA I am seeing a psychopath and I want to see if there are any tell tale signs to recognizing one such as a faraway look in their eyes.

I am not sure there are any tell-tale signs of a psychopath in a person's eyes. Behavior, yes. Not all psychopaths are violent. Obviously JA suffers from some sort of mental disorder..what that might be, I will leave that to her shrink. I would think that TA would not have had an affair with her if he could see mental illness in her eyes. I would rather look to a person's behavior as an indication of something creepy going on rather on how a person's eyes/mug shot looked.

 

[Melanie]

Can someone think of scenario where someone is shot above the right eyebrow but the bullet traveled down and lodged into his left cheek?

So somehow she was standing above him/behind him for the bullet to project not only forward but down. So somehow he would have had to been sitting up.

I don't have any proof to back this up,but say his head was slumped over to thel left, with his left side against the shower wall. It would make sense to me that she would shoot the most visible part of the head - the right side (just by leaning over and shooting). It would also make sense why the bullet lodged in the left cheek (as I presume the evidence is showing).

The only problem with this scenario is the bullet casing. I would think it would be in the shower vs. the bathroom floor.

So confusing!

MOO

Mel

 

[popsicle]

On HLN just now they showed the bullet casing was over by the sink and the closet door.

 

[crimesnooper]

What does a lazy eye, or lack thereof, have to do with anything? I try to never judge anyone on their physical appearance. My ex-SIL (Who is Mormon and very pretty) did some time in Sheriff Joe's prison, for embezzelment. A newpaper interviewed her and some of her fellow jail friends and my SIL stated that she missed her Clinique! Kind of OT, but I learned then to never judge anyone by their looks or wealth (or appearance of).

I feel photographs are very telling for a variety of reasons. And I do judge people based on appearance...not their character. If someone is compeltely pulled together..I mean matching handbags, shoes ect.. makes me a little nervous and it lets me know appearance means a lot. Someone unkempt and sloppy..could be depression or illness. And someone who is 90 and still getting dressed with jewerly and makeup.. says wonderful pride to me!! LOL
As I stated, I don't judge character becuase of appearance but it does produce some information. JA IMO, is not mentally ill but her eyes are vacant and she is a dangerous psychopath.

 

[Sweetiemom]

I feel photographs are very telling for a variety of reasons. And I do judge people based on appearance...not their character. If someone is compeltely pulled together..I mean matching handbags, shoes ect.. makes me a little nervous and it lets me know appearance means a lot. Someone unkempt and sloppy..could be depression or illness. And someone who is 90 and still getting dressed with jewerly and makeup.. says wonderful pride to me!! LOL
As I stated, I don't judge character becuase of appearance but it does produce some information. JA IMO, is not mentally ill but her eyes are vacant and she is a dangerous psychopath.

JA's eyes are dead-like a sharks'-at least that's how they appear to me.

 

[alwaysonmymind]

The eyes are the window to the soul.

It's only appropriate that JA's eyes look vacant, empty, dead etc. She's a soulless sociopathic murderer.

 

[Sulamith]

Look at this how creepy :

"
From
Travis Alexander- Online funeral Guest Book.
This Guest Book will remain online permanently.

June 14, 2008
Travis, what can I say to you that I haven't already said? I am so grateful for the endless hours of conversation and amazing experiences we've shared. Thank you for having the courage to share the Gospel with me. You've had one of the greatest impacts on my life, and have forever altered it's course for the better. I love you, my friend, and always will.
~
Jodi Arias,
Yreka, California

Yes, creepy because we know she murdered him. The sharing the Gospel part is normal-speak (in my experience) for a new LDS convert. I would love to know if she was so crazy, why did he baptize her?? I am guessing she was a "hormonal convert" to the LDS faith.

 

[crimesnooper]

I am coming to this case a little late and I apologise if this info has been posted already but do we know anything about her background? Her family relationships and other male relationships with issues like stalking?

 

[popsicle]

JVM is covering it on HLN now

 

[Garland]

Over the years, I've known a few people (both women and men) who could not handle breakups. And I have known people (again both men and women) who, like Travis, made inexplicable decisions when they should have known better.

Which is why everyone should be careful on who they come across, or who you date (or marry), because there are certain people out there that could turn against someone in a blink of an eye & do very awful things to them if you either reject them, break-up with them &/or divorce them (if you're in a relationship), or if you have an affair on them.

And those in a relationship should be very careful not to make someone very angry at them as well.

 

[Madeleine74]

I see lots of opinions about this needing to be a DP case because of things like the amount of blood and the fact she stabbed and shot T.A. That's not what makes a case a *successful* death penalty case (successful meaning the jury votes for death). It's the totality of everything, including any prior felonies by the defendant and the number and age of victims and what other crimes were committed during the primary crime.

Just because one scene is super gory and another scene isn't, doesn't mean the case should be a DP case.

Here you have a spurned lover of the victim--a woman who desperately wanted to be in this guy's life on a permanent basis. She's obviously obsessed with him. He leads her on to some extent, sometimes more, sometimes less. He was cruel to her--that is clear in some of their communciations and I'm sure that escalated matters between them along the way.

She refused to take the hint or a 2x4 of rudeness slammed on her. While she premeditated the murder, her planning was erratic, and her actions afterwards were ridiculous.

But back to the point: you have a case in which there was an emotional connection between murderer and victim, an ongoing relationship of sorts, a spurned lover who is acting out of jealousy, abandonment, rage, they are 2 adults in an otherwise consenting (if highly dysfunctional) relationship. The victim did not deserve to be murdered (and this was not self-defense). But neither is *this* crime what most consider "the worst of the worst."

If someone told you the generics/generality about a case in which a lover kills the other lover in a rage killing, after being rejected repeatedly but not taking their dignity and walking away for good, do you immediately think to yourself, "oh yes, that's a DP case if I ever heard one?" I highly doubt it. You'd probably think, "oh here we go again. Another person who just couldn't let go..." Now how many intimate partner or spousal murder cases have we seen in the last decade. Hundreds, probably. How many of those cases have been DP cases? One or two. There's a reason for that. You don't give the DP to every first degree murderer. Life without parole, yes! DP for every single case, no.

BTW, remember hearing about and remember the reaction to the Petit family murders? Or little Samantha Runnion's kidnapping, rape and murder? Verrrrry different than vengeful intimate partner rage killing. Those cases are perfect examples of ones that rise to being obviously DP cases. This one, (TA murder), not so much IMO. And it's not because the family is more sad in one case or there's more blood or less blood in a case, or it's a woman in one case or a man in another case, it's the circumstances and prior actions and a whole host of factors that have nothing to do with how much blood one scene has versus a different scene or that one killer is nicer or more cunning. Totality. What prior felonies are in play? How many victims? Age of the victim(s)? All these factors come into play.

 

[Boodles]

I feel photographs are very telling for a variety of reasons. And I do judge people based on appearance...not their character. If someone is compeltely pulled together..I mean matching handbags, shoes ect.. makes me a little nervous and it lets me know appearance means a lot. Someone unkempt and sloppy..could be depression or illness. And someone who is 90 and still getting dressed with jewerly and makeup.. says wonderful pride to me!! LOL
As I stated, I don't judge character becuase of appearance but it does produce some information. JA IMO, is not mentally ill but her eyes are vacant and she is a dangerous psychopath.

Speaking about appearance, what about the appearance of TA's closet? Wow, was that meticulous or what? I immediately thought (and I am NOT disparaging him!) "anal retentive control freak." That's just what popped into my head.

And did anyone else notice that the prosecutor very specifically questioned the witness (the fingerprint lady) about whether there was blood in the closet. (No.) He asked it several different ways, and asked "and if there was, you would have photographed it, right?" He took time to make this point for the jury.

There must be something about the closet being devoid of blood that is important for his case, but I can't think what the significance might be.

 

[mrsu]

Speaking about appearance, what about the appearance of TA's closet? Wow, was that meticulous or what? I immediately thought (and I am NOT disparaging him!) "anal retentive control freak." That's just what popped into my head.

And did anyone else notice that the prosecutor very specifically questioned the witness (the fingerprint lady) about whether there was blood in the closet. (No.) He asked it several different ways, and asked "and if there was, you would have photographed it, right?" He took time to make this point for the jury.

There must be something about the closet being devoid of blood that is important for his case, but I can't think what the significance might be.

FWIW...my husband's side of the closet looks like this too. Meticulous down to the color coded shirts. I would classify him as anal retentive, but control freak...never. He's the most laid back passive guy you'll ever meet.

 

[Karmady]

she is like a freaky Blanche Dubois type, speaking so sensibly, regarding the locking of doors and the slashing of tires...gives me the creeps...she tries to lull you, it all makes so much sense.

So maybe Travis is a player, sounds like he has zero respect for women and was toying with Jodi for a while because he liked being a bad boy. There are a lot of guys like Travis...you break up with them...you take your lumps...

while I am interested in the abusive email, I think the motive was rage at the vacay.

she must never see the world outside.

Based on everything I've read about them both, I think they probably both were "sociopaths" and Jodi had the added oomph that bumped her up to the "psycho"path part. A match made in hell.

 

[Linda7NJ]

FWIW...my husband's side of the closet looks like this too. Meticulous down to the color coded shirts. I would classify him as anal retentive, but control freak...never. He's the most laid back passive guy you'll ever meet.

My father and my sons closets and drawers look like that too! My dad hung his shirts two fingers apart, by color and sleeve lengths. You should have seen the garage and his tool/workshop area!

No way is either of them control freaks. My dads motto was "a place for everything, and everything in its place. If there was a lint ball on the carpet, he'd bend over, pick it up...and walk it to the trash!







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