John already irritating Michigan citizens

[Cherokee]

This is quite an interesting and intelligent commentary. I highligted the quotes that I thought were most interesting, but for context purposes, the whole article should be read.

http://www.heraldtimes.com/articles/2004/05/24/news/opinion/opinion02.txt

Candidate Ramsey
By Jim Grisso

Excellent article ... thanks for posting that, Barbara.

My first thought is that Jim Grisso needs to know about Patsy's lie on LKL regarding their dead foundation's donation to a Charlevoix day camp. People with a voice in Michigan (like Mr. Grisso) are the ones who can spread the word about what the Ramseys are really like behind the glorified "we just want to help you" facade.

John couldn't "create" a job for himself in seven years even with his high placed friends and wealth. Seven years of being unemployed, and unemployable, does not qualify him to create jobs for the voters of Michigan.

John refused to take a polygraph in order to keep his job at Access Graphics because it was beneath him.

John refused to answer questions from investigators because he was insulted.

John repeatedly displayed an arrogance toward, and a disdain for, the people he worked with.

John has done no public charity work, nor rubbed shoulders with the general population, but has remained behind closed doors in wealthy neighborhoods for seven years.

Suddenly, John Ramsey comes out and declares he wants to work for the common man, and that the death of his young daughter has given him a platform upon which to stand.

It's a platform, yes, but not the kind he's thinking of.




IMO

 

[Ivy]

Originally posted by packerdog
I wonder if that nut Mrs. B, that lives in MI has anything to do with his campaign.

Who is Mrs B? Is she the woman who said she supports John because she heard Patsy mention Jesus on LKL the night John and Patsy were on the show to announce John's candidacy?

imo

 

[Show Me]

I have to laugh at these constant "pity John Ramsey" posts. Here is a man by all accounts from his supporters who was this brilliant businessman, able to do business with all the big guns, blah, blah, blah.

Now here is this "brilliant businessman" unemployed for all these years because, as some claim, nobody would hire him because of all the "PERSECUTION" he endured.

Now, let's ask a real serious question here:

If nobody would hire him, and he lost his job, why in the world wouldn't this brilliant businessman, with the funds to back him up, start his own business???????????????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! He certainly brags about his business background, his knack for creating jobs, etc., yet he couldn't create a job for himself by himself?????? How in the world can he have the nerve to brag that because of his business background, he will be able to create jobs for others???

Is there no end to the ridiculous claims the Ramsey supporters will state? Is there no end to the lack of common sense among the RST? Is there no end to the need to actually come to others and rationalize John's unemployment???

Never mind, I'll answer these questions myself. NO, there doesn't seem to be any end to the lunacy

Excellent Barbara! And thank you for starting this thread (although I credited Ned with it earlier).

Ramsey had help starting his first business from Patsy's father. Mee thinks the great Ramsey isn't getting his father-in-laws help any longer. I agree, the more John campaigns and TALKS, the more he shows his true character.

The Ramsey's are finding out words are meaningless without action...for years John and Patsy have talked big words and gave themselves praise for such charitable actions as the foundation and SHOES...yet where is the foundation? Gone.

I think we should quietly provide the info to Grisson and others who are brave enough to stand up and say.....'this is bullchit.'

 

[Maikai]

What a crock! Lies like this belong at your home forum, comonly refered to as "the swamp" (for obvious reasons).

John Ramsey was FIRED from his CEO position for REFUSING to take a polygraph.

Where in the world did you get this from? I've never heard this before, and IMO, is a complete falsehood.

 

[Maikai]

from Charlevoix. One of the friends there that refused to talk to reporters, and have supported the family from Day one.

Who is Mrs B? Is she the woman who said she supports John because she heard Patsy mention Jesus on LKL the night John and Patsy were on the show to announce John's candidacy?

imo

 

[Maikai]

What do you think of this?

http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/ramsey/article/0,1299,DRMN_1296_291402
4,00.html
Ramsey wins spot at GOP convention
By Charlie Brennan, Rocky Mountain News
May 26, 2004

Two weeks into his political career, John Ramsey has notched his first
victory.

Ramsey was elected as an alternate delegate to the Republican National
Convention this past weekend, during a state GOP convention at Grand Rapids,
Mich.

He will be one of three alternates joining three regular delegates from
Michigan's 1st Congressional District heading to New York City this summer
to help launch President George W. Bush toward the final months of his
re-election campaign.

Ramsey, 60, grabbed national headlines earlier this month with his
announcement that he is seeking to represent the 105th House District in the
Michigan legislature.

Ramsey will face five Republican opponents in that state's Aug. 3 Republican
primary. Two Democratic candidates have also declared they are running in
the heavily Republican, four-county, northern Michigan district.

The seat Ramsey seeks is being vacated by a term-limited incumbent
Republican, state Rep. Ken Bradstreet.

Ramsey's ability to land an alternate delegate's slot to the GOP's national
convention does not directly affect his state legislature ambitions. But a
Ramsey supporter said it's still significant.

"It's a high honor for him to go to this; it's a chance of a lifetime," said
Susan Flanders, a Republican activist and friend of John and Patsy Ramsey
who lives in Charlevoix, the summer resort community where the Ramseys
settled last year.

Flanders, who had considered running for the same seat Ramsey has targeted,
said the state GOP convention received him "remarkably well" last weekend.

Ramsey is the father of JonBenet Ramsey, the 6-year-old girl found murdered
in the family's basement in Boulder on Dec. 26, 1996.

Bradstreet has publicly opposed Ramsey's candidacy, citing Ramsey's recent
relocation to Michigan, plus unanswered questions about JonBenet's unsolved
slaying.

 

[BrotherMoon]

What do you think of this?

I'm a BOPRG, Believer Of Patsy Ramsey's Guilt. Hey Maiky, what do you think of this? (I'm holding one finger up, think hard, which finger?)

You go John! Victory!

 

[Show Me]

What do I think of it? Well Maikai, my little swampette...Hmmm....John was invited to the GOP convention.

STILL a far cry from getting ELECTED. I think Ram fans are going to be very disappointed when he loses the race.

 

[Show Me]

Hey Maikai...what's the Ramsey's excuses for the JonBenet Ramsey Children's foundation and SHOES not existing anymore? Your heroes bragged on tv and in their book what great things the Ramseys were going to do with the money....aside from a few token donations(like to the Ramsey's church, the Ramsey kids camp) neither exist anymore.

 

[Barbara]

Hey Borgies

What do you think of this?

http://www.rockymountainnews.com/drmn/ramsey/article/0,1299,DRMN_1296_291402
4,00.html
Ramsey wins spot at GOP convention
By Charlie Brennan, Rocky Mountain News
May 26, 2004

Two weeks into his political career, John Ramsey has notched his first
victory.

Ramsey was elected as an alternate delegate to the Republican National
Convention this past weekend, during a state GOP convention at Grand Rapids,
Mich.

He will be one of three alternates joining three regular delegates from
Michigan's 1st Congressional District heading to New York City this summer
to help launch President George W. Bush toward the final months of his
re-election campaign.

Ramsey, 60, grabbed national headlines earlier this month with his
announcement that he is seeking to represent the 105th House District in the
Michigan legislature.

Ramsey will face five Republican opponents in that state's Aug. 3 Republican
primary. Two Democratic candidates have also declared they are running in
the heavily Republican, four-county, northern Michigan district.

The seat Ramsey seeks is being vacated by a term-limited incumbent
Republican, state Rep. Ken Bradstreet.

Ramsey's ability to land an alternate delegate's slot to the GOP's national
convention does not directly affect his state legislature ambitions. But a
Ramsey supporter said it's still significant.

"It's a high honor for him to go to this; it's a chance of a lifetime," said
Susan Flanders, a Republican activist and friend of John and Patsy Ramsey
who lives in Charlevoix, the summer resort community where the Ramseys
settled last year.

Flanders, who had considered running for the same seat Ramsey has targeted,
said the state GOP convention received him "remarkably well" last weekend.

Ramsey is the father of JonBenet Ramsey, the 6-year-old girl found murdered
in the family's basement in Boulder on Dec. 26, 1996.

Bradstreet has publicly opposed Ramsey's candidacy, citing Ramsey's recent
relocation to Michigan, plus unanswered questions about JonBenet's unsolved
slaying.

Borgies????????????????????? You have some nerve!

Having said that, I think this article is just WONDERFUL! I want John and family out there at every opportunity!

Be careful what you wish for John. I personally hope you get it!

 

[Jayelles]

from Charlevoix. One of the friends there that refused to talk to reporters, and have supported the family from Day one.

B is little more than a gossip - Good Gracious. In practically every post she makes, she mentions the fact that she knows them. Considering that the close friends and family have NOT spoken, that says a LOT. It is my considered opinion that B enjoys the little bit of "status by association" that she receives in Yonder Forum. She may have refused to speak to newspapers, but she's certainly been talking her head off at jameson's (a PUBLIC Internet forum) - most of it hearsay and her own personal opinion.

I know she has some connection to the Charlevoix cleaning ladies. Was she one of them? Or did she just obtain her information from one of them? I certainly wouldn't trust her as far as I could throw her. and I doubt the Ramseys do actually because IMO, she's out of the Ramsey loop. Just a few weeks before the announcement that the Ramseys had moved to Michigan, she posted that they had no intentions of moving there because Burke wanted to stay in Atlanta.

 

[Seeker]

Where in the world did you get this from? I've never heard this before, and IMO, is a complete falsehood.

Well that's what you get when you don't check your facts. Too bad you aren't 1/2 the "sleuth" you want to be, or you would know this was a fact.

John refused to take a polygraph and was thus FIRED from LM.

The truth is out there, whether or not you wish to acknowledge it.
It's also listed in PMPT just so you know where to go and look for just 1 of those references to this fact. Have fun.

 

[packerdog]

Jayelles, I agree with you about Mrs.B a 100%. Also remember that she said that JB hair turned blond because of being in the sun? She probably was one of their housekeepers and really enjoyed cleaning their toilets just so that she could rub shoulders with the rich and famous. Makes me sick to see her kissing up to the swamp witch.

 

[Maikai]

Borgies????????????????????? You have some nerve!

I guess I do!

 

[Maikai]

I'm a BOPRG, Believer Of Patsy Ramsey's Guilt. Hey Maiky, what do you think of this? (I'm holding one finger up, think hard, which finger?)

You go John! Victory!

Is there a buegger (sp?) on the end of it?

 

[Maikai]

What do I think of it? Well Maikai, my little swampette...Hmmm....John was invited to the GOP convention.

STILL a far cry from getting ELECTED. I think Ram fans are going to be very disappointed when he loses the race.

Win or lose....at least he's in it trying.......even the most jaded and cynical have to admire him for that!

 

[Show Me]

Win or lose....at least he's in it trying.......even the most jaded and cynical have to admire him for that!

Sorry Maikai, as jaded or cynical as I am....I don't admire John in the least....in fact I can't even find anything to admire him for.

And I guess you have no answers as to where the foundation and SHOES went....aren't you swampettes curious?

 

[Show Me]

Well Maikai? Any news of JBR foundation or SHOES? Since they have the killer's degraded DNA, is John still offering the reward?

Off to work....maybe you can come up with some answers by then.

 

[Barbara]

Well Maikai? Any news of JBR foundation or SHOES? Since they have the killer's degraded DNA, is John still offering the reward?

Off to work....maybe you can come up with some answers by then.

You know Show Me, you are really cruel. You are asking Maikai to come up with answers at a time when Susan Bennett has not been around much to help her with getting answers to give us. You know as well as the rest of us that there is no individual thought, as evidenced by her posts, and yet you are asking her to come up with answers to questions that she is not allowed to comment on without permission!

I do believe that Ms. Bennett is losing some of her adoration for the Ramseys and their current campaign. Whatever will the flock do then?

This whole campaign has been a terrible blow to those who would like to sue anyone and everyone. Now that John Ramsey and family has, with full consent, made themselves real "PUBLIC FIGURES", and Burke turning legal age, the lawsuits will end and that has many really upset. Not only that, he has put himself AND HIS FAMILY, INCLUDING BURKE (THAT OTHER CHILD) in a position to be ridiculed and speculated about, something he was so sensitive about ala Lin Wood and the cash he has accumulated. All that ends now and I predict so will their relationship with Lin Wood. We know why Lin didn't want him to run for office and now his career suing on behalf of the Ramseys has come to a bitter end :boohoo:

I recommend to those in Michigan as well as others in politics who have the desire to learn more about this family to read the books by Thomas, as well as the others AND then read DOI. See what you think

 

[Cherokee]

Win or lose....at least he's in it trying.......even the most jaded and cynical have to admire him for that!

Sorry Maikai, that imperative generalization is not true.

I, for one, do not admire John Ramsey for any reason, much less running for taxpayer funded political office as an unemployed, egotistical, carpetbagger who is willing to put his family under intense scrutiny because he apparently has nothing better to do with his time, no prospects for future lawsuit settlements, and no platform other than his dead daughter.

John Ramsey has not lived in Charlevoix continuously until the last eight months. He has been a wealthy vacationer who primarily socialized with the "yacht club" set. Unlike the other candidates, he has not "put in his time" as a councilman, or a commissioner, or a legislative aid. He knows nothing about the real issues facing real people. He says he's going to create jobs. How nice. I guess he thinks it must be as easy as creating an "intruder."

John Ramsey has not been truthful about what happened to JonBenet. His lies, his arrogance, and his disdain for law enforcement hardly makes him a fit candidate to represent anyone, much less the general populace of Northern Michigan.



IMO