John did not sexually abuse JonBenet

[narlacat]

In one of her interviews Patsy was shown a photo of the side of the house showing the baseball bat on the ground. She said it was most unusual for a bat to be there and that the children would not have left it there.

I could just see one of the perpetrators picking the baseball bat up from the floor (if it had been lying nearby) and hitting JonBenet over the head with it in absolute fury after she screamed, then storming out of the house carrying it with him, then once outside, realising he still had it in his hand, tossing it aside into the bushes, then continuing on across the road to his bedroom in the house opposite. That was all.

And I still have trouble believing that even the largest Maglite, could have made that huge break in her skull. For a Maglite to have been used to generate the force sufficient to create that break, it would need to have been swung at an extremely high speed IMO, one that I don't think any human is capable of getting their arm to travel at. I wish someone could work the physics out for me. And then to leave the Maglite on the kitchen bench, if indeed it was the murder weapon, just doesn't seem right somehow.

So you think old Barnhill was in on it too?
Or Meyer?
Who are you referring to here?

 

[trixie]

Which end of the Maglite fitted perfectly? Did he test any other implements to see whether they fitted perfectly? Did he test any baseball bats for instance? Besides, he was presumably quite highly motivated to demonstrate a perfect fit with his chosen murder weapon as publicity to boost sales of his book.

Dr. Spitz has a book out about this??Wow, Aussiesheila what is the title of it??I'd really like to read it. Or....you wouldn't be posting MISinformation again now, would you?

 

[trixie]

RST- Ramsey Spin Team. Not to be confused with IDI-Intruder Did it. What separates the IDI from the RST is that the RST are basically attack dogs against anyone who would DARE accuse this loving, wealthy, white couple of anything other than being saints!

SuperDave, what changed your mind and when?

 

[trixie]

So you think old Barnhill was in on it too?
Or Meyer?
Who are you referring to here?

Better watch out Narlacat, pretty soon she'll have you and me in on it somehow too! BTW, where were you on Christmas night 1996? Lol!

 

[narlacat]

hahaha trixie
I can't imagine who she's talking about here, at first I thought Santa Bill, she used to think he lived in the neighbourhood, but she was corrected on that...so she can't mean him.

 

[lannie]

I'm not disagreeing she was being abused. I am sure she was and had been for half her life. She had all the symptoms. I just don't believe it was John. I think it was her maternal grandfather and her father's so-called best friend who both had plenty of opportunites.

Don't you see John & Pats would of never covered for those two ,,the only one they would of covered up for & staged for was Burke ,that is the only reason they stayed together for also was Burke,
Now John would of covered for Pats if , he(Jonn) was also molesting JB, Feet White had nothing to do with her death, John would of never covered for his father in law either,, he had just asked him to leave the companie ,just a few days before Xmas

 

[BBB167893]

Don't you see John & Pats would of never covered for those two ,,the only one they would of covered up for & staged for was Burke ,that is the only reason they stayed together for also was Burke,
Now John would of covered for Pats if , he(Jonn) was also molesting JB, Fleet White had nothing to do with her death, John would of never covered for his father in law either,, he had just asked him to leave the companie ,just a few days before Xmas

I don't know, lannie. Maybe.

"SuperDave, what changed your mind and when?"

I posted it elswhere, trixie. I'll find it for you!

I did find it! It's over on the "scoping out the house thread." I can repost if you like?

 

[narlacat]

lannie

You are right.

It makes most sense that PR and JR covered for......a Ramsey.

 

[trixie]

I don't know, lannie. Maybe.

"SuperDave, what changed your mind and when?"

I posted it elswhere, trixie. I'll find it for you!

I did find it! It's over on the "scoping out the house thread." I can repost if you like?

Oh no SuperDave don't go to all that trouble. I'll just wander on over there and read it. THanks!

 

[BBB167893]

Okay.

Just for the record, to reassert the name of this thread, even if one concludes (as I do) that JB was vaginally abused, we can't really say for sure who it was.

 

[aussiesheila]

"I wish someone could work the physics out for me."

I think Spitz did.

No SuperDave, he did not work it out at all. What I meant by my statement is, I would like to know, if the Maglite was the murder weapon, just how fast it would have had to have been swung to generate a force sufficient to create that absolutely huge fracture in the skull.

IMO if someone did do the physics they would come up with the answer that the speed required would have so great that no human could have swung their arm fast enough and therefore the Maglite could not have been the murder weapon. If, on the other hand, they did the same calculation using a metal baseball bat as the supposed murder weapon, I feel sure the answer would have been yes, entirely possible.

 

[aussiesheila]

Did anybody other than Patsy ever say the same thing?

I place as great a value on what Patsy Ramsey says as you do on what Steve Thomas says, aussieshelia. She's proven herself to be unreliable.

Yes I'd have to agree with you there Nuisanceposter, but the detectives did seem interested nevertheless. The other thing is she wouldn't lie about something where she could be caught out, she was too cunning for that IMO. She actually gave direct answers, not the I don't know/remember type answers. So I think she was telling the truth there. She was questioned about this stuff in the 2000 interviews while the police were showing her the crime scene photos. I need to go and check what John's answers were to those questions, if he was ever asked them.

 

[aussiesheila]

So you think old Barnhill was in on it too?
Or Meyer?
Who are you referring to here?

Sorry I didn't make that clear. I thought I'd rammed my theory down people's throats so often people knew who I was referring to. I meant GM.

 

[tumble]

read this passage about 'linear fracture' especially 'diastatic fracture'

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skull_fracture

Childrens skulls fractures more easily than adults as their skull is not entirely 'fused'. Also in the case of JB there were no scalp injuried indicating that it was not caused by a sharp edged tool but a widely distrubuted force.

 

[aussiesheila]

read this passage about 'linear fracture'

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Skull_fracture

Childrens skulls fractures more easily than adults as their skull is not entirely 'fused'. Also in the case of JB there were no scalp injuried indicating that it was not caused by a sharp edged tool but a widely distrubuted force.

Thanks tumble, I don't really know what to say, but do you not think a metal baseball bat could cause "a widely distributed force"?

 

[tumble]

Yes, I suppose so if the contact point was the normal 'baseball strike' point on the bat.

 

[aussiesheila]

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Dr. Spitz has a book out about this??Wow, Aussiesheila what is the title of it??I'd really like to read it. Or....you wouldn't be posting MISinformation again now, would you?

OK....publicity to boost sales of the book he was writing on this case, just as he had written on the other famous cases he had anything to do with. Not published yet because I think he got sidetracked. So if you want to read it you'll have to wait.

 

[aussiesheila]

Yes, I suppose so if the contact point was the normal 'baseball strike' point on the bat.

I don't know anything about baseball tumble, where is the 'baseball strike' point?

 

[tumble]

I don't know anything about baseball tumble, where is the 'baseball strike' point?

Sorry, hard to describe in text. I mean the point on the bat you normally would hit the ball on ie the side of the bat and not the top of the bat which would probably cause a scalp injury and a more focused blow.

 

[BBB167893]

"Yes, I suppose so if the contact point was the normal 'baseball strike' point on the bat."

The point of percussion.

"OK....publicity to boost sales of the book he was writing on this case, just as he had written on the other famous cases he had anything to do with. Not published yet because I think he got sidetracked. So if you want to read it you'll have to wait."

I checked Amazon.com. He wrote one book before JB's murder and edited a new edition earlier this year. I didn't know he was writing one on this case.