John Douglas "Discredited"

[ajt400]

Originally posted by Imon128
I see no comparison between Foster and Douglas. ******* gave Foster false info to work with (she lied)...well!!! Wait! Did the R's give Douglas false info, too?

I thought that Foster was working with NO case files or insider information. That is what I get off the Defending Foster thread. He just jumped the gun....to weasle his way in with the R's.

 

[ajt400]

I read on another forum that Douglas has had an alcohol problem, does anyone has any sort of documentation for that?

They made the comment that he was never really sick in Seattle, that he had a drinking problem and woke up in the hospital.....is their truth to this?

 

[Maxi]

I've read that Douglas had viral meningitis or encephalitis (I get those two things mixed up) when he was working on the Green River case. In any event, he was seriously ill. There was another time (maybe in NY) when his sudden "illness" was said to be caused by alcohol. Douglas seems to be an intense person, so who knows how much his emotions affect his physical health. I still think he's an excellent profiler, tho I prefer Ressler's steadier style.

 

[Imon128]

In one of his books, Douglas admits to being an alcoholic...I believe he said he was a recovering alcoholic.

 

[ajt400]

Originally posted by Maxi
I've read that Douglas had viral meningitis or encephalitis (I get those two things mixed up) when he was working on the Green River case. In any event, he was seriously ill. There was another time (maybe in NY) when his sudden "illness" was said to be caused by alcohol. Douglas seems to be an intense person, so who knows how much his emotions affect his physical health. I still think he's an excellent profiler, tho I prefer Ressler's steadier style.

I do believe alot of people in our country could be considered alcoholics......not an excuse BTW. It could be worse, it could be heroin.

 

[ajt400]

Originally posted by Imon128
In one of his books, Douglas admits to being an alcoholic...I believe he said he was a recovering alcoholic.

Which book would that be? I have read all but maybe 2 of his books and I have never read that in any of them.....I would be interested in seeing it.

 

[ajt400]

I do think that Ressler is better and I have always enjoyed his books more than Douglas'. He seems more concentrated on the crime than anything.....

 

[Blazeboy3]

Originally posted by Imon128
I see no comparison between Foster and Douglas. ******* gave Foster false info to work with (she lied)...well!!! Wait! Did the R's give Douglas false info, too?

Probably in hindsite(not knowing)WOW?(!)...ROFLMAO(?)!Thanks! Have a Good Day(hum?)!:dontknow:

 

[Blazeboy3]

Originally posted by ajt400
Which book would that be? I have read all but maybe 2 of his books and I have never read that in any of them.....I would be interested in seeing it.

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Who wouldn't "drink to take away the PAIN?!"... I too haven't read this in any of his books but I'm open-minded to change!; it's an interesting thought & UNDERSTANDIBLY I can relate/comprehend such behavior in this day/age ... (LOL:!)~

 

[guppy]

So, is there any evidence the Green River Killer actually wrote this letter, or are we just taking his word for it?

 

[Toltec]

Douglas stated that one of post-murder behaviors is "finding religion". When Douglas initially met with John and Patsy, he noticed Patsy walking in wearing a huge cross around her neck....TEE HEE!

OH...and didn't Patsy begin to chain-smoke too?

 

[ajt400]

Originally posted by Toltec
Douglas stated that one of post-murder behaviors is "finding religion". When Douglas initially met with John and Patsy, he noticed Patsy walking in wearing a huge cross around her neck....TEE HEE!

Yes, you are quite correct on that one, but if you had bothered to read the rest of the paragraph, you would have noticed that Douglas looked in many pictures prior to the murder and saw the same exact cross on PR's neck. (DUH) She had it since her cancer days...

 

[Imon128]

Okay, that means the R's are exempt, sure.

 

[ajt400]

Originally posted by guppy
So, is there any evidence the Green River Killer actually wrote this letter, or are we just taking his word for it?

Technically, taking his word for it. I think there were probably more than one serial killer in Seattle at that time.

 

[Sabrina]

That's interesting Ajt. Do you know how many prostitute murders are unsolved and unaccounted for in Seattle that Ridgeway did not confess to?

There were some unsolved prostitute murders in San Diego that were thought to have been by the Green River killer, Ridgeway had some relatives living in San Diego at the time as well and he was thought to have visited them.

However, these homicides cannot be linked up to him with any forensic evidence, even though the m.o. was very similar.

 

[Sabrina]

I forgot to add I just read a book about the Unabomber. John Douglas was so far off it wasn't funny.

There are several references in "Mindhunter" to drinking, although he does not state in this book that he is an alcoholic. I found that alcoholics --recovered or not--seem to focus on drinking, and mention it much more than a non alcoholic would, they place much more importance on it--and it really is irrelevant in "Mindhunter", yet it was mentioned.

I seem to recall reading somewhere else all about his alcoholism. Although I've read all of his books, this is the only one that I actually own.

 

[Sabrina]

John Douglas stated last week that he is selling merchandise to "offset" the cost of his web site which is quite expensive.

Hello? It appears his website is run by his publisher, Spartan Literary Associates. Giving it the benefit of the doubt, amd lets say not-- the website appears to me to be very commercial -- advertises his books and appearances rather than serving as a free public service. There is however, a very small forum with a handful of members. The forum software is not very good and it is very slow loading. There is not much bandwidth being used from what I can tell.

We had a discussion of web site costs at another forum, perhaps someone who is more knowledgeable can guess at what the bill is....maybe around $50 a month? ( I am going by a friend who pays $65 a month for much,much more.....) I found his comment somewhat offensive. I do not believe the merchandise was set up to "offset" the cost. I think it's more to "commercialize" the name "Mindhunter" and self promote.

I do like the "flash" introduction and think it's very well done, however I've seen the notebook style background template around in free graphics sites.
http://www.johndouglasmindhunter.com/flash.htm

 

[Blazeboy3]

Originally posted by Sabrina
John Douglas stated last week that he is selling merchandise to "offset" the cost of his web site which is quite expensive.

Hello? It appears his website is run by his publisher, Spartan Literary Associates. Giving it the benefit of the doubt, amd lets say not-- the website appears to me to be very commercial -- advertises his books and appearances rather than serving as a free public service. There is however, a very small forum with a handful of members. The forum software is not very good and it is very slow loading. There is not much bandwidth being used from what I can tell.

We had a discussion of web site costs at another forum, perhaps someone who is more knowledgeable can guess at what the bill is....maybe around $50 a month? ( I am going by a friend who pays $65 a month for much,much more.....) I found his comment somewhat offensive. I do not believe the merchandise was set up to "offset" the cost. I think it's more to "commercialize" the name "Mindhunter" and self promote.

I do like the "flash" introduction and think it's very well done, however I've seen the notebook style background template around in free graphics sites.
http://www.johndouglasmindhunter.com/flash.htm

Thanks for the url/info; FWIW--I couldn't finish reading MINDHUNTER (BUT loved the/his website)...just could'nt read his book but I've read ALL JONBENET BOOKS(+the hard-to-buy-obtain-books--out of print books! ... go figure hum? ...got them all and read them all...what's that mean in english terms these days ... ??? ) ... !!!...:bigthumb::dontknow:

Interesting JD website...WHERE'S JONBENET'S(FAMILY)WEBSITE?
http://www.poynter.org/dg.lts/id.49/aid.1034/column.htm
http://www.poynter.org/dg.lts/id.49/aid.1034/column.htm

 

[ajt400]

Originally posted by Sabrina
That's interesting Ajt. Do you know how many prostitute murders are unsolved and unaccounted for in Seattle that Ridgeway did not confess to?

There were some unsolved prostitute murders in San Diego that were thought to have been by the Green River killer, Ridgeway had some relatives living in San Diego at the time as well and he was thought to have visited them.

However, these homicides cannot be linked up to him with any forensic evidence, even though the m.o. was very similar.

Many many people confess to crimes they did not commit. Case in point, Henry Lee Lucas; in the early 80's he confessed to around 600 murders. As soon as police started to bring cases against him, they began to see that in some (many) cases he wasn't even in the same state anywhere near the time of the murder! He is only 'credited' with probably 5 or 6.

There are probably hundreds of cases of prostitutes being murdered/assaulted/raped that we will never know of and obviously haven't been solved. He led investigators to 4 bodies that they never knew were there! Also, alot of the bodies in the GR were so decomposed you couldn't tell much from them. (Essentially when 1 body was found, they usually found 3 or 4 more in the same vicinity!)

If I remember correctly, MO can be changed, signature cannot. MO is how you commit the crimes, strangulation, stabbing, beating,etc. Signature is what the killer feels he needs to do--what fulfills him in the act of.

As far as Ridgway goes, I do think he was one, but defineltely not the only one.

 

[ajt400]

I was discouraged that his website didn't have actual case studies.