John's basement window story

[Nuisanceposter]

Nor do I. And I'd really like to hear just what about JR's account of climbing in through the window sounds like he's relating a real incident.

 

[goddess]

I voted for he completely made it up. Why would he say, "That's probably how I would have done it?" Either he did that way or he didn't - how does "probably" come in unless he doesn't really know what he's talking about because he hasn't done it? He doesn't even remember which direction he was facing. Come on. It just doesn't sound like he's remembering a real incident.

I voted undecided. I have now changed my vote.

 

[icedtea4me]

The "would have done" it is also important for it signifies intent of an action not taken. For example: I would have mailed the letter today, but I ran out of stamps.


-Tea

 

[JMO8778]

I don't believe it is a real account either,but since Smit climbed thru the window as a demonstration,did JR ask this q of him *after he did the window demo?
Just curious as to why he would ask LS this q.

 

[Ames]

I voted for he completely made it up. Why would he say, "That's probably how I would have done it?" Either he did that way or he didn't - how does "probably" come in unless he doesn't really know what he's talking about because he hasn't done it? He doesn't even remember which direction he was facing. Come on. It just doesn't sound like he's remembering a real incident.

I voted that John is lying about the window, for the same reason that you did. The words "probably" and "would have"...are crucial here.

 

[BlueCrab]

John's lying again. The Ramseys always entered the house through the garage when returning home. John could not have locked himself out of the house. All he had to do was use the garage door opener in the car to gain entrance.

BlueCrab

 

[narlacat]

JR was/is a liar and everyone knows it.

He lied to his first wife and carried out an affair.


BlueCrab, nice to see you!!

 

[IrishMist]

It is great to see you, BC!

I think the story goes that he came home in a cab and didn't have the opener. I'm taking off soon, and don't have time to look, but I'm thinking that's the case.

 

[BlueCrab]

JR was/is a liar and everyone knows it.

He lied to his first wife and carried out an affair.


BlueCrab, nice to see you!!

Thanks narlacat.

 

[Ames]

Hi BlueCrab...did you know that the posters here missed you so much, that they devoted an entire thread to you? BTW...I am new here...its good to finally meet you.

 

[BlueCrab]

It is great to see you, BC!

I think the story goes that he came home in a cab and didn't have the opener. I'm taking off soon, and don't have time to look, but I'm thinking that's the case.

Thanks IrishMist. Even if John is to be believed about coming home in a cab, there were a number of friends in the neighborhood with a key to the Ramsey's house, including the Barnhill's across the street and the White's just a mile away, who would likely have gladly let him in. John's credibility was destroyed beginning on day one and, IMO,there is not much he says now that can be 100% relied upon as being truthful.

Bluecrab

 

[BBB167893]

Always good when you stop by, BC.

 

[Toltec]

I believe John went through the basement window...he left a black scuff mark on the wall. (his black bussiness shoes)

 

[BlueCrab]

Hi BlueCrab...did you know that the posters here missed you so much, that they devoted an entire thread to you? BTW...I am new here...its good to finally meet you.

Hello Ames. No, I didn't know about the BC thread. I reckon I best not read it. Thanks for the info.

BlueCrab

 

[BlueCrab]

I believe John went through the basement window...he left a black scuff mark on the wall. (his black bussiness shoes)

Toltec,

"bussiness" shoes? (Just kidding.)

John trashed his credibility from the gitgo. His lies caught on tape on the enhanced 911 tape about Burke being in bed during Patsy's 911 call when Burke was actually downstairs talking to his parents at that same time (5:52 AM), destroyed the basis on which the Ramsey's version of that morning's events occurred. Therefore, nothing the Ramsey's had said about what happened that morning could be relied upon after that lie was uncovered by the police several months later.

John was trying to establish a means for how an intruder could have entered the house so, IMO, he picked the basement window. IOW, his version of entering the basement through the window earlier that year and the scuff mark on the wall under the window was likely staging.

In order to establish an imaginary point of entry it appears John even lied about the basement window being open on the night of the murder -- this in order to establish a point of entry for his imaginary intruder. John originally said he never searched the basement looking for JonBenet that morning. But four months later he changed his story and said he had slipped unnoticed into the basement that morning to check the basement window. John said he had found the window open so he closed and locked it. However, upon returning upstairs, he failed to report his findings to the cops.

John was the only person who claimed the basement window had been open, and he didn't say anything about until four moths later.

Even though John testified during the police interviews that the window was open when he allegedly snuck downstairs, this can be rebutted by Officer Rick French and Fleet White, both of whom individually had searched the basement early that morning and did not report finding an open window.

It's safely to say John Ramsey had been caught in another lie. Why would a family member continue to lie during the murder investigation of one of its own?

BlueCrab

 

[snowqueen]

Brilliant observation, Tea! For John Ramsey actually theorizes how he "would have" climbed through that window, which suggests that he never did climb through it.


I'm no native speaker - what exactly does John mean by "face-forward"? That he nose-dived through the window into the basement?

Face-forward would mean he was facing the basement not outside.
Where do you get that he "nose-dived through the window?"

 

[Show Me]

Face-forward would mean he was facing the basement not outside.
Where do you get that he "nose-dived through the window?"

The thought is hilarious! I don't think John could nose dive down that little bitty window well into the basement.

I think John left the shoe mark on the wall himself...and of course with John's weak memory he forgot to tell the cops the window was open and duh....pedophile, monitoring foreign faction kidnapper man might have 'nose dived' into the basement.

 

[snowqueen]

The thought is hilarious! I don't think John could nose dive down that little bitty window well into the basement.

I think John left the shoe mark on the wall himself...and of course with John's weak memory he forgot to tell the cops the window was open and duh....pedophile, monitoring foreign faction kidnapper man might have 'nose dived' into the basement.

I don't John ever claimed to have nose-dived into the basement, did it?
Sounds like someone's over active imagination - IMO.

John's weak memory? Keep in mind - people have had ten years to pick apart and find every inconsistency in what the Ramseys said. And in most case those inconsistencies don't mean a thing.

 

[BlueCrab]

I don't John ever claimed to have nose-dived into the basement, did it?
Sounds like someone's over active imagination - IMO.

John's weak memory? Keep in mind - people have had ten years to pick apart and find every inconsistency in what the Ramseys said. And in most case those inconsistencies don't mean a thing.

snowqueen,

I respectfully disagree. John's "inconsistencies" began on day one, not 10 years later. And those inconsistencies (lies) during the murder investigation is obvious evidence of a coverup.

Who is he covering up for?

BlueCrab

 

[snowqueen]

snowqueen,

I respectfully disagree. John's "inconsistencies" began on day one, not 10 years later. And those inconsistencies (lies) during the murder investigation is obvious evidence of a coverup.

Who is he covering up for?

BlueCrab

Better yet, why don't you list those inconsistencies and let's look at them one by one.........